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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Fully Fledged said:
7% is a large portion of their exports. It won't be catastrophic but it will hurt Germany.
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What cars do you think Brits are gunna buy instead of their Audi/VW/BMW/Mercs? Sales will slow a bit as with any country suffering economic slowdown and inflation, but we will still buy their cars... They don't have much to worry about.
 
Stanley Road said:
I imagine the French are more concerned with rioting to care about brexit, you have enufff problems with your own eu loving leader to care about anyone else's issues. Same in belgium.
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Yeah, those 30 far right morons are really topping our thoughts at the moment.

People don't care about the Brexit, they just want it to be over. The only time it's in the news is when May does a silly dance. It's a little bit the same as modern day politics in the US. A laughing stock for most of the world, but still a bit scary how it's going to affect our daily lives.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
Rioting? Yobs in Paris last weekend. In our local town we had 6 blokes and a woman standing outside the Tax office taking selfies. Haven't seen anything all week. Filled up today and paid €1.37/litre.
Hardly been anything about Brexit for ages on TV.
There'll probably be something tomorrow in Paris. Le Pen and co. urging them on.
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Thats just it, you live in the boonys and you're oblivious to the feelings of the common man. Thats always been your case in this thread. Well done with your low petrol prices mind, guess its not just uk that doesn't like paying tax.
 
Stanley Road said:
Thats just it, you live in the boonys and you're oblivious to the feelings of the common man. Thats always been your case in this thread. Well done with your low petrol prices mind, guess its not just uk that doesn't like paying tax.
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No, it really isn't the common man. The movement isn't widely followed and it's only in the news because of a minority of far right agitators. One of the reason behind the lack of popular support is probably the fact that this policy started in 2015, it's not really new and diesel cars are supposed to disappear by 2024.
 
Stanley Road said:
Thats just it, you live in the boonys and you're oblivious to the feelings of the common man. Thats always been your case in this thread. Well done with your low petrol prices mind, guess its not just uk that doesn't like paying tax.
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I'm 25 minutes from a large city and they blocked three roundabouts there. It's on the news here but it's peaceful protest. They changed from the petrol prices when they started going down and started on about tax and low pay etc.
In shocking news people don't want to pay tax and want more money.
 
Simbo said:
What cars do you think Brits are gunna buy instead of their Audi/VW/BMW/Mercs? Sales will slow a bit as with any country suffering economic slowdown and inflation, but we will still buy their cars... They don't have much to worry about.
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Austin Allegro?
 
Simbo said:
What cars do you think Brits are gunna buy instead of their Audi/VW/BMW/Mercs? Sales will slow a bit as with any country suffering economic slowdown and inflation, but we will still buy their cars... They don't have much to worry about.
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I was aiming for a Merc GLE when I’m up for a new car in March but depending how things go might be downgrading to a GLC or a Jag F-Pace. But even that’s hardly buying British when they’re owned by Tara.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes but if they don't want no deal the UK has to cancel Brexit and quickly.
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I'm interested what makes you think we'd need to do it so quickly? If we ended up wanting to revoke in February why couldn't that be done?

Whatever the obstacles given the significance of the event i can't see anything but working to the 11th hour
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46407249

The UK's interests "will be repeatedly and permanently hammered by the EU27 for many years to come", Mr Gyimah said in a Facebook post setting out his reasons for resigning.

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Mrs May has now said the British army will not use Galileo and the UK will instead explore options to build its own satellite-navigation system - having already set aside £92m to look at how it can be done.
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Britain will build a new Galileo system! Ha ha ha!

Perhaps with the 350 million per week savings???
 
Mozza said:
The markets small because brits don't eat herring, nothing to do with competition
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Markets small so people should be ignored right? The european market is not so small so keep the waters and sell to them. I was eating lobster in mallorca years ago and i asked if it was caught locally, course not, the waiter explained a lot of the fish came from uk waters. But feck livelyhoods of small markets, conglomerates is where its at.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Maybe I'm giving people too much credit but when the bite really hurts I would expect people to turn around and say but you said this would be better.
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I'm afraid You are. They will look for any migrants that are left failing that they will find people poorer than themselves and punch downwards. All the while the rich prep boys who hedged against them and their country will be revered.
 
Hell, they could just keep blaming the EU. "They wouldn't give us a fair deal" and all that. Why change the habit of a lifetime? Plus there will always be lower classes and minorities to scapegoat. All so much easier than accepting you made a stupid decision.
 
Stanley Road said:
Markets small so people should be ignored right? The european market is not so small so keep the waters and sell to them. I was eating lobster in mallorca years ago and i asked if it was caught locally, course not, the waiter explained a lot of the fish came from uk waters. But feck livelyhoods of small markets, conglomerates is where its at.
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Markets small so to help the fisherman you find a bigger market, how is that ignoring people?
 
Bury Red said:
I was aiming for a Merc GLE when I’m up for a new car in March but depending how things go might be downgrading to a GLC or a Jag F-Pace. But even that’s hardly buying British when they’re owned by Tara.
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530e m-sport... Super tax efficient as a company car if you can live with the small boot
 
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Brexit: Facts vs Fear, with Stephen Fry



Maybe the remain campaign should have emphasised these points more.
 
Given all we now know, that most leave voters still want to leave makes the idea their vote was a protest even less convincing. It makes no sense to stick to a protest vote when your message has been delivered loud and clear. Therefore, I am depressed to conclude a sizeable proportion of Brits are xenophobic.
 
Had an argument about brexit with my dad (a Leave voter) last night. Depressing.
 
Obviously. The number 1 benefit Theresa May touts of her Brexit deal is the ending of freedom of movement. Everything sacrificed to stop a Romanian moving next door
 
RedChip said:
Given all we now know, that most leave voters still want to leave makes the idea their vote was a protest even less convincing. It makes no sense to stick to a protest vote when your message has been delivered loud and clear. .
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Indeed... though in many ways i think it was more a general protest about politics ....l think only a few percent from either side will have changed opinion... The real battle in a second referendum is getting the people who did not vote before to vote (I believe more didn't vote than voted for either leave or remain)
 
sun_tzu said:
Indeed... though in many ways i think it was more a general protest about politics ....l think only a few percent from either side will have changed opinion... The real battle in a second referendum is getting the people who did not vote before to vote (I believe more didn't vote than voted for either leave or remain)
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Even the slight demographic changes that will have occured in the last 2-3 years will give a slight boost to remain too I should think. The issue is so polarised by age that I have no doubt we've lost a lot of Leave voters and welcomed a decent number of new pro-EU voters into the electorate since the vote. In a way, the longer a 2nd referendum takes to happen the better from a Remain perspective.

For it to be a convincing margin though, you're right. Things are so finely posed in British politics at the moment that any political force that could tap into a significant number of non-voters would sweep the board electorally.
 
Smores said:
I'm interested what makes you think we'd need to do it so quickly? If we ended up wanting to revoke in February why couldn't that be done?

Whatever the obstacles given the significance of the event i can't see anything but working to the 11th hour
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Yes, I said earlier that it has to be done before 29th March and they would probably work until the last minute if there was a strong probability that the UK cancelled it but, and it's a big but, the EU doesn't just revolve around the UK and the EU have got to start putting into place the scenario for no deal if they see that the deal is voted down on the 11th December.
In all seriousness I think the EU have really had enough of Brexit.
 
Discussing with a leaver just then. They've twisted it round to them somehow being deceived since the vote, rather than before it. As if they know leaving would be good still, but that the gov doesn't want to so they're sabotaging the negotiations and going for a 2nd vote. Possibly (hopefully) some truth to it, but they still can't admit it was obviously going to be a shitshow the whole time, so why fecking vote that way?
They ended with the usual justification when asked that about fishermen in the channel or something. I've no idea why they all give a shit about fishing all of a sudden, and not about every common man and woman in the country instead.
 
VeevaVee said:
Discussing with a leaver just then. They've twisted it round to them somehow being deceived since the vote, rather than before it. As if they know leaving would be good still, but that the gov doesn't want to so they're sabotaging the negotiations and going for a 2nd vote. Possibly (hopefully) some truth to it, but they still can't admit it was obviously going to be a shitshow the whole time, so why fecking vote that way?
They ended with the usual justification when asked that about fishermen in the channel or something. I've no idea why they all give a shit about fishing all of a sudden, and not about every common man and woman in the country instead.
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They don't seem worried about the car industry which would all but disappear if it was no deal and who employ far more people than the fishing industry.
Trying to think like a Brexiter here - maybe because you can eat fish but you can't eat cars?
 
As that other one was posted a few days back



(without don't knows)
 
I can't see it happening...
But I agree with this article
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-ever-wants-become-152848348.html
If Corbyn used the debate to come out and switch labour policy to backing a second referendum it could be a game changer... And would certainly make the debate tough for may as I doubt she would be prepared for that.

As I say I can't see it though
 
sun_tzu said:
I can't see it happening...
But I agree with this article
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-ever-wants-become-152848348.html
If Corbyn used the debate to come out and switch labour policy to backing a second referendum it could be a game changer... And would certainly make the debate tough for may as I doubt she would be prepared for that.

As I say I can't see it though
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It won't happen before the commons vote. To do so would mean Corbyn giving up any hope of ever putting his policies into place. May would go to town on him trying to block brexit.

I'll settle with them coming out fighting that they won't allow a no deal or abad deal. May won't be able to challenge against it and she'll look bad doing so.
 
I struggle to see Corbyn backing any second referendum before a TV debate largely because the Tories/May would thus paint him as an enormous hypocrite, someone deceiving the public all the way only to change tact at the last moment etc.
 
Cheesy said:
I struggle to see Corbyn backing any second referendum before a TV debate largely because the Tories/May would thus paint him as an enormous hypocrite, someone deceiving the public all the way only to change tact at the last moment etc.
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Possibly... Though if he stands there for 90 mins without something other than his 6 tests and renegotiation he will look like a fool when he's continually reminded that the EU have said not a chance
Be it a Norway style deal... A second referendum... A hard brexit... Whatever they have to have something to say
... To summarize this article they have to choose
https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ared-for-speed-chess-brexit-especially-labour
 
sun_tzu said:
Possibly... Though if he stands there for 90 mins without something other than his 6 tests and renegotiation he will look like a fool when he's continually reminded that the EU have said not a chance
Be it a Norway style deal... A second referendum... A hard brexit... Whatever they have to have something to say
... To summarize this article they have to choose
https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ared-for-speed-chess-brexit-especially-labour
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True, their strategy of basically pretending the issue doesn't exist had arguably worked tactically so far but was always going to look ridiculous in the long-term.

Along those lines, from today:



Beyond a joke now.
 
Cheesy said:
True, their strategy of basically pretending the issue doesn't exist had arguably worked tactically so far but was always going to look ridiculous in the long-term.

Along those lines, from today:



Beyond a joke now.
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I'm not really sure it's worked for them at all. All the arguments in favour of it are rooted in the counter factual ('well, if they'd taken a strong position they might have lost voters in x, y, and z') whilst their irrelevance on the political stage has pushed the window further away from what they want from a point after the referendum when even Boris was said to be in favour of a soft Brexit to the ERG managing push the Tories harder and harder.

At the same time, the great political play of not taking a position has, at best, put them very slightly ahead of a government that is almost historically incompetent. Polling figures that would, in any other scenario rightly worry an opposition party.

So I'm struggling to see it as anything approaching a win for Labour. I think they'll unfortunately be mired in the whole mess as a party too spineless to oppose the excesses of the Tories feckwittery.
 
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