I don't have to convince them with anything given how desperate things are going to become with Brexit
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I don't have to convince them with anything given how desperate things are going to become with Brexit
But the government won't let you in if you don't earn £30k. All the unemployed Brits are currently being retrained to retake all the good jobs stolen by EU citizens ready for 30th March.
Sadly the fruit and vegetable growers can't sustain paying such wages so employment may be short term.
I'm joking really, actually I wish I was joking.
I'll agree with most of that. apart from the fact that they supported a Tory party that has decimated schools and hospitals while also going back on their election promises. They could have formed a government with the Labour party that had a lot more in common with what was supposed to be their manifesto.
Our children only have one attempt at lives. The children that are dying in maternity wards now that could have been saved if the hospitals they they we supposed to be born in were properly funded are on all our hands. The students that fall through the cracks in schools that have had their extra curricular activates underfunded are also our responsibility.
I'm only on Circa £40k but I would be willing to increase my tax payments if the Government could insure that the money would go to hospitals and schools. I don't want a tax cut if it means that the NHS and schools are poorly funded.
They couldn't have - both parties would've been comfortably short of a majority in 2010. The Lib Dems could, of course, have just allowed the Tories to operate as a minority government, although in the position of kingmakers it'd have essentially amounted to a coalition anyway.
I had a conversation with an ardent Brexiter today, he was delighted because Brexit would mean the UK would be a low tax haven. When I asked him if he thought his local police, schools and hospitals had enough staff and resources he thought they definitely did not. He then went a bit quiet when I pointed out the link between taxes and public services.
Special kind of delusion that lot.
I'm pretty sure that they could have made a coalition with either party.
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Tory 306
Labour 258
Lib Dem 57
Democratic Unionist 8
Labour and Lib Dem could have got 315 which would have been a majority.
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Nah, Labour/Lib Dems didn't have the numbers in 2010.
Tory 306
Labour 258
Lib Dem 57
Democratic Unionist 8
Labour and Lib Dem could have got 315 which would have been a majority.
If you're so keen for people to live up to their promises then you must want Corbyn to keep his promise to uphold Brexit then. So long as you take your share of the blame when it goes to shit.
Stating from the beginning that I am of the opinion that those territories geographically should belong to Morroco, (and not islands and not 3), the situation is different. And before you think I am defending Spain, I am a catalan independentist
Morroco as a entity didn't exist till way after those territories were part of Spain, while Gibraltar is part of a treaty agreement, brittish empire grabbed more territory than the treaty agreement said 1 hundred years after.
Saying all that, I believe that people should belong where they decide it, and gibraltar made it clear in 2002 with a 99% that they wanted to remain in that status quo (as I suspect Ceuta and Melilla would vote to remain spanish and not Morrocan.
Conclusion: good exercise of Whataboutism
My main problem with them is propping up a austerity Tory government that has killed children by under-funding the NHS.
That's not how it works.
I get that, I voted Labour myself in 2010. However in 2017 Labour pledged to uphold Brexit, did you not think that might affect the NHS at all?
Yes it is you need a majority.
315 is not a majority in the House of Commons. Other parties included the SNP, Plaid, SDLP, Greens and Plaid Cymru.
Okay so they would have needed SNP and Plaid Cymru they could have made a government.
Labour refuse to go into coalitions with nationalist parties who advocate separation from the UK. The Lib Dems would take the same position - but even if they hypothetically hadn't they wouldn't have had the numbers to go into government with Labour. And a coalition involving four parties, two of whom wouldn't want to be in the country they're in a coalition for, clearly wouldn't have lasted and would've had no stability whatsoever.
Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind. But that would be an insult to poultry.
And austerity still wouldn't have led to hospitals going into special measures because children both unborn and new born are dying in their maternity wards due to underfunding.
With Gordon Brown as PM. Would've lasted about a month before it fell apart with the Tories getting a majority in the ensuing election.
I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of the Tory government or of the Lib Dems complicity in that - I'm just pointing out that in 2010 there was no way for the Lib Dems to go into a coalition with Labour.
The local economy of Benidorm will crumble.
Indeed. I tend not to agree with the assessment that the Tories would've gotten an automatic majority had the Lib Dems been unable to come to an agreement with them, leading to another election, but if a Labour coalition like the one mentioned above had happened and collapsed the Tories would've certainly capitalised on the ensuing chaos afterwards.
Fair enough and I've had too many to go into the finer points of politics but the complicity of the Lib Dems still rankles with me.
Im not going to argue, what they did to students was political suicide.
Tbf, if you cast your mind back to how things were in the aftermath of that election, that really wasn’t an option.
That's been pointed out by people in previous posts. As I've said I've had a few but I will always be circumspect about voting for them now because my main goal when voting is to stop the Tories from destroying the NHS. I might have voted for them if they were in an area where it was them or the Tories but can I now trust them not to form a government with the Tories.
Yeah absolutely, won't argue with that.
Just saw this:
Meanwhile Leadsom is keen for the government to consider a “no deal plus” if parliament votes against the deal. Under that plan, the government would pay the EU £20bn – less than half the planned divorce payment – in exchange for a two-year transition period, during which the UK would prepare for operating on World Trade Organisation terms.
We've had Canada plus, sanity minus, now we have no deal plus.
These people are supposed to be running the country.
Meanwhile Leadsom is keen for the government to consider a “no deal plus” if parliament votes against the deal. Under that plan, the government would pay the EU £20bn – less than half the planned divorce payment – in exchange for a two-year transition period, during which the UK would prepare for operating on World Trade Organisation terms.
We've had Canada plus, sanity minus, now we have no deal plus.
These people are supposed to be running the country.
This I'm afraid is a fantasy.
What a socialist government or a better Britain with one?
Gordon Brown called for it but Clegg said that he would form a government with the Tories since they were the largest party.
I think it's more likely we see right wing policies.
That's how I remembered it.
My own memory is that Cameron offering a full-on coalition with Liberal cabinet members came as a huge surprise to everyone. If Clegg knew Brown was only discussing a 'pact', and a feeble one at that, then when Cameron let him know he was willing to offer a genuine coalition it was game over. Shame, though.
A Labour supporter just described Labour's position as 'constructive ambiguity'. Says it all. Although I'm sure it's nuanced. Very nuanced.
I mean Brexit itself is a right wing policy.
Tell that to Corbyn and McDonnell, they've been backing it for forty years.