May I just point out that blaming the EU for an influx of eastern Europeans is a bit rich coming from the country that lobbied hard to get eastern European countries into the EU...
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Indeed...and was the only country (apart from Ireland) to allow full unlimited freedom of movement to citizens of those countries from the date of their accession.
And in Ireland we're generally much more approving of immigration from those countries than the UK.
I find it funny that arguably the most backward country in Europe of past times now seems to be much less backward than one of the supposed most progressive countries on earth.
A lot about brexit defies reason. We complain about rules we played a huge part in writing.
The single market was the brain child of a politician the Tories worship ffs!
Er....I mean their not really that wrong on this one. Change the whole lizard vibe into ''“even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a class will always run things in this country anyway” and it's class politics.
that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me... must be true!! but our reptillian overlords wont be happy that the truth is out there
We’re heading for a second referendum – and maybe a third
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...-a-third/ar-BBQ0vz3?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...-a-third/ar-BBQ0vz3?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout
Agreed. Still, keep voting for them chaps.
How about the 3 Morrocan islands that Spain still cling on to? Don't suppose they'll be giving those up at the same time.
Yes it can. Wait and see.
This ladIn the 70’s I went to watch Man Utd all over the Midlands. I’d get an away day ticket that would let me on both buses and trains anywhere in the Midlands. It was cheap easy and the trains and buses were far more frequent.
Two months after they were sold my bus fair to work went up from 10p to 50p over night. It’s gone up steadily ever since. Half the buses that use to run have been cancelled and it cost you a fortune to get on one the trains are far worse. You could get a train every 10 minutes between my town and Birmingham before privatisation. If they cancel a train now your only option is the bus because the trains only run every 40 minutes.
They say that they want people to use public transport but it’s so shoddy and expensive that you have no choice but to drive.
Why is this numpty suddenly everywhere. He's a cretinous thick bastard who I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw. An unscrupulous careerist politician who has zero substance and will say anything to get a vote.
True but most of the underfunding was based of a report by a Tory Richard Beeching.True... but equally the biggest cost is the funding for network rail as they are pretty busy upgrading the Victorian era network as British fail did nothing with it
How? State sanctioned nuclear strike on central London?
Crikey I remember that. It was listed the government took it private if I remember it right. I got the scoop on Fidelity leading a shareholder action group about it and they ended up taking down Stephen Byers - must have been 2000/2001.
Yeah he's a Tory.
He's bad, even for a Tory. The fact he is that fecking dumb he didn't realise a frictionless border at Dover is important for trade, even as Brexit minister, is all the more galling.
You think they want to back out of Brexit entirely? That would be quite a spectacular U-turn and maybe political suicide. I take it more as a call to Brexiters not to be satisfied with May's deal. Perhaps even an attempt to lure moderates or remainers into rebellion.
A striking 31% of leave voters believed that Muslim immigration was part of a wider plot to make Muslims the majority in Britain, a conspiracy theory that originated in French far-right circles that was known as the “great replacement”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
Wasn't about racism though...
https://www.theguardian.com/society...-60-of-britons-believe-in-conspiracy-theories
Wasn't about racism though...
No doubt, i used to think while the Tory party was generally a den of pricks a few of them were surely half sensible and competent. But the last two years has changed that thinking.
No, they do not want out of brexit. Only describing how much they hate the deal. The funny thing is their arguments for hating the deal, contradict their arguments for wanting out in the first place.
The Times and Fraser Nelson in The Telegraph both report this morning that the Tory Brexiteers now have their arms fully wrapped around a "managed" no deal plan (as floated by Leadsom a few weeks ago).
May will be ousted by one of the 'pizza plotters' as soon as her deal is rejected by Parliament - they'll then take control and steer us off the cliff edge.
May will be ousted by one of the 'pizza plotters' as soon as her deal is rejected by Parliament - they'll then take control and steer us off the cliff edge.
Thought that was Fox News.
Yeah, we want good old British food like pizza and Peking Duck!
they would have a veto on the final deal (at the end of the transition period though wouldn't they (I think all countries would)
It's almost like these people deserve the chaos of no deal.
Can't sensible people stay in Europe, or something?
I reckon she goes on holiday to Spain, anyway.
May has taken over because she is desperately trying to avoid that.
She appointed DD to do the negotiating in good faith and to balance out the fact that as PM she was a remainer.
DD superciliously went over there and basically opened with 'give us everything we want and more - or we'll jump off the cliff'
What do you expect the EU to say other than 'ok jump off the cliff then'
Does anyone really think that £39b means that much to them?
DD didn't even have briefing notes if you recall - why? Because jumping off the cliff is exactly what he and all the others want.
I reckon candid phone calls from the EU woke TM up to that reality and the last thing she wants is for something like that to happen on her watch.
Tbf I do believe that she has got the good of the country and democracy at heart (however deluded that may be) and is not cynically trying to cling to power. She's a servant not a leader.
So if by some chance she can get this deal through, and at the end of the transition we have a comprehensive FTA with a solution for NI then she could claim a degree of success.
If she loses then I think she would need to resign. If the party then elects a Brexiteer for PM then no-deal will be also voted down and we will be in a constitutional crisis.
Labour will then (rightly) push for a no-confidence in the government motion and we will get a GE.
Lines would then need to be redrawn on what the parties are going to campaign on with regards to Brexit.
Several parties will probably have a 2nd referendum with remain as an option in their manifestos
Who would win? I don't know....
Extremely hacked off leavers on the one hand vs relieved remainers on the other.
This could go on for years.
Don't forget while all this is happening we would have probably slipped into a recession.
Tories/UKIP would win that's who. I think a GE will happen despite it being improbable and Labour will get demolished by pushing for a second referendum.
Remain Tories will not vote Labour whilst the Labour leavers will rush to UKIP.
The only hope is that the usual non-voters turn out but I'm not sure they'll necessarily vote remain anyway.
Maybe the remainers in parliament could push through lowering the voting age to try and make it a stitch up
Remain Tories will not vote Labour whilst the Labour leavers will rush to UKIP.
The only hope is that the usual non-voters turn out but I'm not sure they'll necessarily vote remain anyway.
Maybe the remainers in parliament could push through lowering the voting age to try and make it a stitch up
Yeah but she'll on buy British food and British drink when she's there so she's not a hypocrite.
Some defo will. Avoiding Brexit is way more important than Labour getting in for one term, even if it is under Corbyn's leadership.
I'd love it so much if all the multitudinous groups could somehow get together for a national day of action to show the "Well just get on with it then" people how it'll be in a No Deal Brexit. It'd be terrifying.
Hmm, be careful what you wish for.
Indeed. You're evidence of that - and 2017 showed there were plenty of liberal Tories in London as an example willing to move away from the party due to their stance on Brexit.