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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I think most Brexiters still won't admit they were wrong even under the worst of circumstances, it will become an us v them mentality and they will say the EU is doing everything to punish us.
 
Therefore imho it should be clearly laid out what the pros and cons are and the potential knock on effects
I agree that there has to something a bit more detailed. The only two choices being Leave Or Remain in the last referendum was one of the most stupidest idea imaginable.
 
except I cant see how or why there would be a GE - under what circumstances would that play out rather than just electing a new conservative leader and going with no deal?

It is very unlikley there will be a new conservative leader because of the split in the party. Theresa may needs I think only 156 to win the no confidence vote and she can't be challenged for another year.

The majority of the conservatives do not support Brexit so they will not support the ERG in getting rid of the leader.

The impasse in parliament can only be solved by a general election so if Labour gets that they should go against the government and back a peoples vote, get into power and have a way out of Brexit.

Brexit has absolutely destroyed the Conservatives for a generation to come! It's so beautiful to watch!
 
I'll say one thing for Moggy, and only one thing because I usually disagree with him, which is that when he's asked a question he nearly always answers it directly and clearly. Quite unusual for a politician.
 
JRM just listed all the Tory personal capable of a "good brexit" that could replace May.

How the feck does anyone take these people serious? Say "change the policy not the person", "she has our full confidence" 10 times a day for 2 years and now 4 months to brexit he comes up with "loads" of people capable of better.


I really really hope his children will one day recognize what a utter little prick he is.
 
Sir Graham Brady: "Look you lot to force a vote of no confidence I need 48 letters, I only have 47"

Scaled hand appears clutching a letter, vertical eyelids blink, tongue darts out of mouth,

Gove: "Will this do Graham"
 
It is very unlikley there will be a new conservative leader because of the split in the party. Theresa may needs I think only 156 to win the no confidence vote and she can't be challenged for another year.

The majority of the conservatives do not support Brexit so they will not support the ERG in getting rid of the leader.

The impasse in parliament can only be solved by a general election so if Labour gets that they should go against the government and back a peoples vote, get into power and have a way out of Brexit.

Brexit has absolutely destroyed the Conservatives for a generation to come! It's so beautiful to watch!

yes and no - if she is defeted in the party confidence vote that is corrent...

if however she is defeted in the commons she then has i believe 14 days to win a commons majority or resign - if she resigns again it does not trigger a GE but allows the conservatives to elect a leader who can command a commons majority (which if just appointed by the party and hardline enough for the DUP that shouldnt be a problem)... hence some of the ERG want to take her down in the vote in the commons - I think the vote before is basically to drag it out and make it clear to her she cant win the commons vote so she would be better off leaving on her own terms with as much pride as she can muster
 
Id like to see blair head up a new remain party - mainly to see the corbynistas moan about it when he won
You often speak about people that admire Corbyn in a deflammitory manner. It's pretty sad really. I think that throughout all the years I've followed politics it has seemed to be that we have waited for a politician to be honest and open and clearly hold the wants of their constituents above his or her own agendas.

It's funny because Corbyn could have already elevated himself to be very close to Downing street had he chosen to lie but even when severely pressed by journalists he would always tell the truth and then he gets lambasted for it.

Each up their own like, that's democracy for you, but the snide comments just make the commenter look sad to be honest.
 
What an absolute farce... and they think they will be able to deliver something that doesn't royally feck everything up.

Also, Mogg is a cnut.
 
If Mogg or Boris become PM I reckon the rest of us pay for a wall to be built around Britain and just leave ye to your own devices for a couple of decades. A Britain under either of their leadership has nothing good to offer the world.
 
Sir Graham Brady: "Look you lot to force a vote of no confidence I need 48 letters, I only have 47"

Scaled hand appears clutching a letter, vertical eyelids blink, tongue darts out of mouth,

Gove: "Will this do Graham"

I’m picturing Gove more like Gollum from LOTR treating his letter like the ring “my preciousssss..”
 
Stating the obvious but this will prove to be a royal feckup which will have consequences for generations to come. Unfortunately.
 
If Mogg or Boris become PM I reckon the rest of us pay for a wall to be built around Britain and just leave ye to your own devices for a couple of decades. A Britain under either of their leadership has nothing good to offer the world.

I hear that BX Brussels are looking for new fans.
 
Where is David Cameron?

At the farm?
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wasnt it said he fancied a return to front line politics... probably wouldnt happen though
 
Yes, there is no religious restriction to the PM, only the Monarch.

Ooh in that case, i could probably be PM too. If I was to campaign i'd take the Trump model. Appeal to the racists, promise the world, attack the media and blame away all attacks on me as fake news, lie thoroughly and repeatedly, all whilst wearing a waistcoat (look how well it did Southgate).

In fact i'd appeal to everyone, i'd say whatever people wanted to hear depending on the audience i was in. If you ask me if i'd bomb Iran, i'd say Yes and twice on a Friday. I'd also say "as long as i can tie you to the bomb". The racists are happy i'll slaughter millions of muslims, the rest of us will realise it's only a joke in poor taste.
 
Yes but the 1829 Act would be unlawful today by virtue of the Human Rights Act. Most likely it wouldn't be enforced, rather than a case be brought and challenged. The 1998 Act could be seen as impliedly repealing the 1829 Act.
You maybe right but it is still a case that has yet to be tested. I know that Blair wouldn't test the waters he openly admitted that he would have converted years previously if he didn't want to become PM.
 
You often speak about people that admire Corbyn in a deflammitory manner. It's pretty sad really. I think that throughout all the years I've followed politics it has seemed to be that we have waited for a politician to be honest and open and clearly hold the wants of their constituents above his or her own agendas.

It's funny because Corbyn could have already elevated himself to be very close to Downing street had he chosen to lie but even when severely pressed by journalists he would always tell the truth and then he gets lambasted for it.

Each up their own like, that's democracy for you, but the snide comments just make the commenter look sad to be honest.

This is clearly a critical and thoughtful appraisal of the leader of the opposition.
 
I'd make a couple of points.

First, it is duplicitous (but not undemocratic) for members of the Cabinet like Raab to have approved the deal and then resigned over it.

Second, it isn't undemocratic for MPs to vote against the deal, or any government policy. Even if a three-line whip is established, MPs can vote against the deal, with the risk being that teh whip is withdrawn from them and they have to sit as independents. However, many may risk this if they feel May's authority is ebbing away. So, in short, it isn't undemocratic.
It was tongue in cheek about the way people have been saying that anything but hard Brexit would be undemocratic because the public voted marginally in an advisory referendum to leave the EU.