Disagree with that last clause. It would be a disaster for Ireland. But clearly far worse for the UK. Unless you’re talking about Northern Ireland?
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Disagree with that last clause. It would be a disaster for Ireland. But clearly far worse for the UK. Unless you’re talking about Northern Ireland?
Yep. All talks would have broken down irretrievably by now. We would be driving off the cliff having lost the respect and friendship of our closest neighbours. Trump would have declared Boris a "great guy doing a great job" and given us three fifths of feck all in terms of a trade arrangement. We would be floating in the middle of the Atlantic with no friends, no deals, 4 million unemployed and a pound worth 50c.
But there would be 40 odd back-benchers and 17.2m people waiving flags singing "If you're happy and you know it clap your hands"
It may even come to that!
Mainly although economically a hard border would be bad for Eire and a return to the murder and mayhem of The Troubles would be very bad indeed for all of Ireland.
The UK in general will suffer socially and economically which will be bad enough but .....
I fear the UK is royally screwed.
If we leave millions of people will be poorer, huge numbers of job losses will occur and we will be left with decades of lost growth.
If we remain then we leave millions feeling disenfranchised and abandoned by politics.
What a fun choice.
If we remain then we leave millions feeling disenfranchised and abandoned by politics.
What a fun choice.
That's obviously what Gove is, I was trying to assess how successful he will be at it.
Option 2 it is then!
As an old fecker with young kids. I'd much rather the older lot be left feeling disenfranchised than the younger lot, who would also have to deal with the fallout...
Huh? Do you think everyone knew what they were voting for? A lot of things only came to light after the vote such as hard or soft brexit. This wasn’t an informed vote for the masses
And I hold both the Tories and Labour responsible for stoking anti-EU sentiment over decades by using them as a punching bag for anything and everything that went wrong in the UK.
From what I've seen on this board, most of the disenfranchised people abandoned by politics don't even live in the UK for it to matter to them anyway.
This.
Anyone hear Rory Stewart on 5Live? What a bell.
Yes I think if may goes then its Hard brexit... The last conservative leadership election took around 8 weeks
So over Xmas I think your looking at least the same... Even if somehow some hard brexiteer didn't win there wouldn't be time for legistlation to prevent a hard brexit anyway
My page keeps saying "show ignored content". I've not ignored anyone.
Presumably if the former occurs, the latter happens anyway (i.e. you promised us a golden future and we’re now screwed). So it’s better to avoid the economic calamity and then address the alienation question from a position of economic strength.
If May goes it's likely that a hardline Brexiter replaces her? Added to the fact that the opposition leader has outright stated that Brexit can't be stopped, it seems like a no deal is by far the most likely outcome. 
It will be an economic disaster for sure. I’m in NI and we’ll be fecked on all fronts. Poor Donegal too – N15 will be busy.
That said I doubt there’ll be any significant return to violence. While the tensions between Nationalists/Unionists are high I don’t see any sort of call to arms happening anytime soon. People too busy playing Fortnite for that shit.
This might seem callous but The Troubles were always far more of an issue for people living in the North (and other parts of the Uk) than they were in the South. As compassionate human beings none of us want to see widespread violence in the North again but, as things stand, that would be a UK problem. Along with all the other UK problems churned up by Brexit.
Obviously, the prospect of a united Ireland seems a bit more likely now. In which case this would no longer be the case. Most people in Ireland see that outcome as an overall positive though.
Does this guy ever say anything else?
Why don't you just feck off!
Why don't you just feck off!
Its the only realistic outcome I thinkIf May goes it's likely that a hardline Brexiter replaces her? Added to the fact that the opposition leader has outright stated that Brexit can't be stopped, it seems like a no deal is by far the most likely outcome.
If May goes there will be a leadership election in the conservative party - this is probably going to last up to the end of Jan or mid feb (if she goes now - if she goes in a couple of weeks after loosing a vote then we could even be looking at March)
Even if somebody wanted to extend A50 - there would not be time to get the legislation through - even if they wanted to call a GE or a 2nd referendum (both very very unlikley scenarios for somebody who has just become PM) then y the time they are run its past the end of March
Basically May is correct in her assessment its her deal or no deal... but shes naive if she thinks her deal has much chance of coming into force
A large number of Brexiteers voted that way because they already felt abandoned by politics and the liberal elite in London so surely it's status quo for everyone if we just decide to call the whole thing off.
I've heard people still supporting Brexit who admit it will be bad for them and their children but who are still behind it because they believe the political elite, investors, bankers etc will take a bigger hit. How they can't comprehend that many of those driving this bus off the cliff are from that group and are doing so because they have bet on the crash and stand to profit from it.
I dunno - Mogg would probably see any violence in the north as a declaration of war by the EU and seek to carper bomb Dublin, Paris and Berlin before they can form an EU army...
please anybody but Mogg - bring back IDS, Camaron even give us peter bone - just not bloody mogg
I wonder if this could work
TM asks for the remainer MP votes support to back the deal in exchange of a second referendum which will ask the voter to vote between this deal, no deal and the UK staying in the EU. Meanwhile she also asks the EU for an extension of article 50 in exchange of the UK committing itself to pay what's due in writing.
The Brexit vote will be split between hardliners who want a hard Brexit at all costs and more reasonable Brexiter. JC/Sturgeon would end up supporting remain as there's no chance he'll want a no deal brexit let alone remaining on terms negotiated by the Tories. Those who hate elitists will see them supporting either Brexit or TM's deal which means they might consider voting something different this time round. . To better the odds TM could add the vote of British expats whose majority are currently scared shit of a Brexit vote.
TM asks for the remainer MP votes support to back the deal in exchange of a second referendum which will ask the voter to vote between this deal, no deal and the UK staying in the EU. Meanwhile she also asks the EU for an extension of article 50 in exchange of the UK committing itself to pay what's due in writing.
The Brexit vote will be split between hardliners who want a hard Brexit at all costs and more reasonable Brexiter. JC/Sturgeon would end up supporting remain as there's no chance he'll want a no deal brexit let alone remaining on terms negotiated by the Tories. Those who hate elitists will see them supporting either Brexit or TM's deal which means they might consider voting something different this time round. . To better the odds TM could add the vote of British expats whose majority are currently scared shit of a Brexit vote.
This is it boys
She could have done. I get the feeling she believes it is her duty to navigate us through the turd, and she will stick it out till we are buried in it.
Sorry about all this turd stuff! It is my lunch as well.
If May goes it's likely that a hardline Brexiter replaces her? Added to the fact that the opposition leader has outright stated that Brexit can't be stopped, it seems like a no deal is by far the most likely outcome.
No deal would mean a hard border in Northern Ireland. I don't see anyone doing that and the EU know this.
What does that mean?
He's forcing a vote of no confidence in May.
he is sending a letter to the chairman of the 1922 committee saying he has no confidence in may - 48 of these letters and there is a no confidence vote in her as the leader of the conservative party - if she looses she has to resign
Mogg is chairman of the ERC group (hardline eurosceptics) and it is understood many of them held off sending letters until it was ERG group policy to do so... I think there is around 50-60 ERC members so now a very good chance enough letters go in over the next day / 2 to trigger the vote
You are probably both right. I cannot imagine what will happen if the ERG get their way and we drive off this cliff.
feck the ERG, feck David Cameron, feck Theresa May and Corbyn can get fecked too.
What an absolute bunch of useless morons.
What an absolute bunch of useless morons.
Telegraph say Gove has been offered Secretary for Brexit. Looks like a leadership election will save him having to make a decision though. May also wants a vote on the Brexit deal 'before Chrismas'. I'm tempted to ask 'which Christmas?'.
I am left wondering whether anyone is acting in the national interest any more.