That only applies to the Irish, legal agreement that pre-dates the EU membership.
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Correct.
One point to be noted though, Liam Fox won't be doing his super duper trade deals in a CU and that could be a problem for some.
Short answer, it doesn't.
You have to be in the SM and CU to solve the problem as JPRouve says, there's no protection of the SM with just a CU.
What I have always understood. And why I'm surprised both parties are talking as if it solves the Ireland problem.
The stories leaking out over the last week or so have seemed a bit weird. Not sure what's going on. But the EU are not going to change their stance, they can't.
The EU are quite good at last minute fudges though, as is May!
You also need bilateral agreements on citizens rights particularly when it comes to homeland laws, common jurisdiction(s), have common executive and legislative organisms among other things. There is a reason why actual open borders only exist in one place in the world.
Yes for sure.
Maybe but the vital raison d'être of the EU will not be sacrificed at any cost.
Jesus, Brexit as an idea is becoming one of the most stupid national decisions of all-time.
Is it not being reported on much in the UK or something? Why isn't there more opposition?
Is it not being reported on much in the UK or something? Why isn't there more opposition?
I've not read a brexit related article in over a week. It's become exhausting.
The Irish Taoideach already said a backstop with a time limit "isn't worth the paper it's written on", the Irish foreign minister said it would never be agreed to by either Ireland or the EU and the EU's Deputy Chief Negotiator reaffirmed that this was the case. All of this just today. It simply wouldn't be acceptable as it would defeat the entire purpose of the backstop in the first place.
Just read through the last couple of pages of this thread and you'll understand why no one in the country gives a shit.
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That's the thing that I don't understand, it seems that people fail to understand why a backstop is needed. The UK are withdrawing, there is no if and buts, the UK can and are withdrawing which creates an issue that needs definitive fixing, both sides decided to call that a backstop. It doesn't matter if the UK and the EU have a deal, that backstop is needed because Ireland can't be in a limbo every time a foreign party decides that it wants something different. Ireland need to be protected from the idiots surrounding it.
Thought this was funny, Hammond at the Treasury Committee
Hammond says it would not be “plausible or credible” for the UK to refuse to pay any money to the EU if it were to leave without a deal.
But the government would want to revise the amount it would be willing to pay, he says. The deal agreed as part of the December agreement would no longer stand.
Q: Shouldn’t you be threatening to pay nothing? A lords committee said the UK would not have to pay anything. You should use your leverage.
Hammond says the UK would have some leverage, in terms of when money was paid. A lump sum is of limited use to the EU. It wants a flow of money. By threatening not to pay in instalments, the UK would have leverage, he says.
That'll show them, we'll pay all the money in one go.!!
Hammond says it would not be “plausible or credible” for the UK to refuse to pay any money to the EU if it were to leave without a deal.
But the government would want to revise the amount it would be willing to pay, he says. The deal agreed as part of the December agreement would no longer stand.
Q: Shouldn’t you be threatening to pay nothing? A lords committee said the UK would not have to pay anything. You should use your leverage.
Hammond says the UK would have some leverage, in terms of when money was paid. A lump sum is of limited use to the EU. It wants a flow of money. By threatening not to pay in instalments, the UK would have leverage, he says.
That'll show them, we'll pay all the money in one go.!!
Yup and a non time limited backstop is impossible for may to get through parliament .. so its No deal or somebody blinks...
We should threaten to pay them in pounds not euros... That should scare the pants off them regarding a no deal
You could be right.
How condescending
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So you will pay them in toilet paper? Damn
Wouldn't that be weird if Brexit finally United Ireland? Not sure how that is ever going to fly with the Protestants in the north even if the Catholics on both sides of the border now want it. The stability that the Good Friday Agreement brought made a United Ireland far less of a priority for most who are for it in a general sense, as each side not killing each other was a very good start, but now?
I've tend to be sympathetic-ish as to not called people who voted leave the usual names but christ almighty this is such a stupid idea
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Yeah if you wanted to finish off whatever is left of the British empire than Brexit is a great way to do it.
Any idea what the political/religious environment is in the North these days? The possibility of the North reuniting with the South seems to have a completely different context this time, are there hard core enough factions to cause violence to stop it?
I get the sense that things have really shifted towards a "People's Vote" ever since Aaron Banks has been under criminal investigation for the source of the £8m. . . with Banks even stating himself UK might be better of remaining.
Last time I was in Belfast nearly 2 years ago there didn't seem to be a big push from the catholic side for reunification. The peace and economic benefits of the peace process were more important to many Catholics was my impression. A "bad" Brexit could change that I guess but I can't see the majority of Protestants being for reunifiction even if it does mean remaining in the EU - could be wrong.
Whatever happens I fear violence may result if the Good Friday Agreement dies - and it isn't in the best of health as it is with Stormont filled only with tumbleweeds for nearly 2 years.
I'm sure some of our Norn Iron posters will have much better insight.
I wonder if ROI would want Northern ireland back specifically those who vote for DUP
A united Ireland would probably take longer to do than the amount of time it'll take the UK to leave, their economy to tank, and then rejoin the EU.
It saddens me that it is coming to this. Northern Irish citizens had the best of both worlds under the GFA and FTA and now that's being destroyed on them.
It saddens me that it is coming to this. Northern Irish citizens had the best of both worlds under the GFA and FTA and now that's being destroyed on them.
https://www.channel4.com/news/major-new-brexit-poll-shows-voters-swinging-towards-remain
Analysis carried out by the polling company showed that 105 council areas that voted Leave in 2016 would now vote Remain. Since the referendum, support for leaving the EU has fallen most sharply in local authorities that saw the highest vote shares for leave.
The people have cottoned on to the shysters who themselves are now turning their back on the whole thing. Add to that a clearly incompetent government and the country is increasingly saying forget it. Another poll in a month and the swing will be even greater.
I think you are pretty much spot on.
I think what he meant is that they have made such a feck up of the whole thing, we'd be better of staying in Europe now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uk-power-to-end-brexit-backstop-says-varadkar
yup it seems the time limit and review / withdrawal mechanism from a backstop will continue to be a sticking point
Personally im about 50/50 if there will be some fudge or if they will go straight to no deal
and depending on the fudge i give may at best a 50/50 chance of getting it through parliament...
basically im pricing all jobs based on a no deal and advising we scale back uk investments - on the plus side there wont be any immigrants coming and taking the work as we will create the jobs in europe instead - well done brexiteers
yup it seems the time limit and review / withdrawal mechanism from a backstop will continue to be a sticking point
Personally im about 50/50 if there will be some fudge or if they will go straight to no deal
and depending on the fudge i give may at best a 50/50 chance of getting it through parliament...
basically im pricing all jobs based on a no deal and advising we scale back uk investments - on the plus side there wont be any immigrants coming and taking the work as we will create the jobs in europe instead - well done brexiteers
Thanks for posting that.
Zero surprises though.
Gauke and Gardiner typical of clueless current crop of politicians.
Farage , what a pathetic little man. He hasn't had the opportunity to spout more lies to brainwash the gullibles.
At 33:45 confirms the point I have been making all along and like the moron he is Farage falls into the trap and starts spouting on about non-EU citizens which gets a large round of applause.
Sad times for the UK.
A backstop with a time limit is not a backstop.