I despair, no wonder you need everything written out in precise detail. If you don't know how to use the site after 5 years ask one of the moderators how to use the quote button.
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I despair, no wonder you need everything written out in precise detail. If you don't know how to use the site after 5 years ask one of the moderators how to use the quote button.
Cant quote properly, at least you have your beloved Barcelona.
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@Barca84 - when I quote your post this is what happens, think about it carefully.
This is why no gives a shit about Brexit
Have a think about that.
Think about it. Hard.
It works, you can employ the best in the eorld not just in europe. You can keep out and easily control people coming in and out. I know the yoof of today don't want to put any effort into anything but this just works. Obviously fom doesnt just work otherwise it would be a mute point.
Yeh of course it's just so laborious when an entire lengthy post needs to be deconstructed due to the amount of weapons grade bull in it. Apologies @Paul the Wolf if you found that irritating as it certainly wasn't my intention.
I've nothing further to add to a tedious discussion. I'd commend though to Paul and anyone else who despairs at the rise of xenophobia, racism and the politics of hate to take on board the work and findings of the likes of Hope Not Hate and the National Conversation on immigration as both show tremendous cause for optimism alongside worrying attitudes to immigrants and particularly the Muslim community. We can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that the Yaxley-Lennons of this world are taking over but card carrying extremists like himself are a comparatively rare breed in the UK. What's essential is respectful dialogue with the disaffected that his ilk seek to exploit for their own political gain and when we have that to counter, as evidenced, it simply shows real and understandable concerns within fragile and under threat communities. It part explains a referendum result that came as a huge shock to many but not where I live where no Remain posters were to be seen and where nobody knocked on any doors, asked anybody their voting intentions, and proffered anybody some insight into what was at stake. These communities weren't even considered important enough to consult and inform and that's a damning indictment. It's progress though that there is now a dialogue happening and if there's a plus to the whole Brexit shambles then it may be that voice has been heard and that a light has been shone on this divide within the country. Real political leadership is required and yet there is a vacuum. They are the culprits here.
Fascinating and interesting times I think.
From what I can understand. We are in the same position as before the exit, but we don't have a vote on the European Council, so we are worse off!
Can't you 2 get a room?
Too easyThe youth of today who leave their home countries to work crappy jobs in Western Europe are obviously putting in an effort, you're just blind to it. The great advantage of FOM is that it allows a poor kid with a bit of graft to improve their life chances enormously, not just those who could afford an education in their home nation
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-voters-now-want-second-15365710
"Jess Phillips' Birmingham Yardley voted to leave by a margin of 60% to 40% two years ago.
But Labour voters split 56% to 44% in favour of staying in the EU and this margin has now increased to 61% in favour of remain to 39%.
Overall, her constituency Is now in favour of a People’s Vote by a margin of 63% to 37% - but Labour supporters are significantly more positive with 73% in favour and just 27% against"
"Jess Phillips' Birmingham Yardley voted to leave by a margin of 60% to 40% two years ago.
But Labour voters split 56% to 44% in favour of staying in the EU and this margin has now increased to 61% in favour of remain to 39%.
Overall, her constituency Is now in favour of a People’s Vote by a margin of 63% to 37% - but Labour supporters are significantly more positive with 73% in favour and just 27% against"
Never heard of this Brendan O'Neill pillock before but was curious to find out more about his Irish peasant parents. Nothing on his wiki page. Although it does reveal him as quite a piece of work...
Well this is he of "If You Were Abused By Jimmy Savile, Maybe You Should Keep It to Yourself" fame..
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html
He also regards himself as Irish..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6866102/brendan-oneill-irish-pm-leo-varadkar-a-cheerleader-for-eu/
Despite years ago deciding he wasn't..
https://www.spiked-online.com/2001/03/15/were-all-irish-now/
Quite the chameleon though this "ex Marxist". I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
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Seems like he was born and reared in England, to Irish parents. These alleged peasants who somehow could afford the expensive private schooling that put the plum in his mouth. I'm guessing his unpleasant views were honed at that same school.
Yeh London but state schooled though (Catholic supported) and folks from Galway....
http://powerbase.info/index.php/Brendan_O'Neill
I think we can safely assume from what we know he's a massive cockend.
https://www.ft.com/content/4610a4be...d178a#myft:notification:instant-email:content
Calling for a full investigation of Mr Banks’ links with Russia, Mr Bradshaw said he had received “a great deal of very interesting information”. Only some of it had so far come out, he said. Last week Mr Bradshaw wrote to prime minister Theresa May over claims she blocked a request to investigate Mr Banks in the run-up to the Brexit referendum.
“I have to tell honourable members that a great deal more that is very serious is still to come out,” he warned.
Calling for a full investigation of Mr Banks’ links with Russia, Mr Bradshaw said he had received “a great deal of very interesting information”. Only some of it had so far come out, he said. Last week Mr Bradshaw wrote to prime minister Theresa May over claims she blocked a request to investigate Mr Banks in the run-up to the Brexit referendum.
“I have to tell honourable members that a great deal more that is very serious is still to come out,” he warned.
You mean you don't know how to do it or are too lazy. You started this not me and have spent three pages trying unsuccessfully to disprove something using irrelevant sources and data. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't mean you're right.
It wasn't a huge shock to me which is why I arranged my life accordingly months before the result. I don't disagree about the remain campaign but the liars were the loudest and people still have the ability not to believe what they were told.
There is a huge political vacuum. Now people will reap the rewards of what they have sown. For the UK's sake it is hoped the price is not too high.
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If its time limited or the UK could unilaterally withdraw in the future then that would be a change in stance and somewhat of a concession from the EU
That said it seems the EU might not be ready to go that far
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...me-limited-backstop-says-dublin-politics-live
so who knows - i doubt may could get it through parliament without some time limit or UK ability to withdraw and I suspect the EU are aware of this so possibly they will agree to it (they will of course want something in exchange - probably paying full premiums with no rebates for the duration of the transition agreement as a minimum)
He's a professional contrarian, nothing else. Funny seeing someone so opposed to identity politics so regularly invoke their Irish heritage to explain themselves.
The EU, as has been said all long, are not going to allow a time limited backstop or one that the UK can unilaterally withdraw from. Therefore until the UK government come up with a solution to the Irish border, we're not really much further advanced, notwithstanding getting it through parliament.
An air of positivity seems to have arisen, but I don't see the reason unless May is going to back down.
Indeed. We know both sides want a deal of some sort, so there is likely to be compromise on offer, it's a case of whether each will accept it as enough to strike a deal, and if they do whether parliament will accept that deal. We simply don't know, it's wait and see time, like it or not. Unfortunately for the over-excited even if a transition deal is struck this month the whole circus will still carry on for years, as attention will seamlessly turn to what comes next after that.
Looks likely that after all is said and done the UK will remain in the customs union for the forseeable future (and probably permanently). Not surprised by this at all as there is no way around the Irish border issue despite the bluster from certain politicians. Whether it gets through the Commons is another issue.
I think it will but not with a Tory majority. If we stay in the customs union the SNP will vote for it there is also a majority of Labour and Tory MPs that would probably back it as the lesser of two evils.
Someone please exolexp to.me, how does the Custom Union solve the Irish border problem?
It solves it because it means NI also stays in customs union which negates the need for custom checks at the border - which goes a long way to avoiding a hard border.
What about the movement of people?
If we are in a customs union our taxes and standards are aligned and therefore no need for checks on the border... at least for goods - Im not certain about people but I assume we would continue with free movement of people as well?
It would mean we keep free movement of goods and people so there would be no need for a hard boarder in Ireland.
It comes with the customs union. We won't get a customs union without free movement.
I was under the impression that Freedom of movement (people) was linked to the Single Market not customs union. I could be wrong though.
I think your right... but there is also the common travel area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Travel_Area