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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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711 said:
You're confident Corbyn won't back a transition deal? Obviously there would be rebels from both parties, but if Corbyn backed one it would be through. All he has to do is say he's putting the national interest (meaning his own desire for Brexit) above party politics and it would all be over. Too close to call for me.
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Would almost certainly mean backtracking on their 6tests ... Which in fairness were set so they would always be obliged to vote against... Genuinely think they see it as their best (only ) hope of forcing a general election... So yeah fully expect the official policy to be vote against ... I expect some to ignore him... But enough to offset the dup and hard-line brexiteers who are Alos likely to vote against... I'm not so sure
 
Raab and the govt in full reverse gear today. Also seem to be playing down the reports in the FT a out a deal for financial services being agreed.
 
Something is either agreed or it isn't. If they feel the need to release a statement saying something is 'close', it is just rhetoric for public opinion when they are actually just confirming nothing is agreed.
 


Banks + others not the 'true' source of the funds from the sounds of it.

How long before this gets directly linked to Russia?
 
Stanley Road said:
On dutch tv tonight there was a kid born here, likely to be sent back to iraq cos his parents are not allowed to stay. You see its not just the uk that likes to kick foreigners out, there are 400 kids on the same list at the asylum center. Response from mps? Rules are rules.

www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/no-change-on-child-refugee-amnesty-says-dutch-prime-minister/
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Same rules applies to UK, so I don't get the take back control of the borders. Yes europeans too if they don't comply
 
Stanley Road said:
On dutch tv tonight there was a kid born here, likely to be sent back to iraq cos his parents are not allowed to stay. You see its not just the uk that likes to kick foreigners out, there are 400 kids on the same list at the asylum center. Response from mps? Rules are rules.

www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/no-change-on-child-refugee-amnesty-says-dutch-prime-minister/
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Difference is the UK want to kick foreigners out who are there legally and have every right to stay.
 
Stanley Road said:
My point Is there is no compassion anywhere, all govts are the same. German mate of mine got threatened with deportation back to Germany when he signed on after redundancy here. They're all the same.
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Maybe there isn't compassion within any government.
Your mate could be deemed to be not able to support himself but it depends on what he has contributed to the Dutch system.

The UK government have been trying to send Windrush people back and they are British citizens.

But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.

How would you feel if the Dutch people (not just the government) said they want you to go home?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.
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Link to this please.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Hysterical? seems you don't know the meaning of the word.
You tell me and give me a link as to what it was for, this should be funny.
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This is very simple. You've stated something as fact and I'm asking you for something to back it up. Anything. Off you go.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But we're talking about Brexit and the main reason for Brexit is that the British people don't want foreigners in the UK, not only the illegal ones or those that don't have a right to stay but also the legal ones. That's what Brexit is about.
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GloryHunter07 said:
Looks more like an oppinion tbh.
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There is nothing to suggest the above is an opinion.

Paul the Wolf said:
No you said that my opinion is wrong, so you prove me wrong, you have said I was wrong, back it up.
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No I didn't. I asked for some evidence to back up your sweeping statement. I accused you of making it up. You're right though to now walk it back and confess it as just an opinion because it can't be anything else. A prejudiced and bigoted opinion that ignores all evidence and research to the contrary ie the reasons for the Brexit vote are complex and multiple. That might not fit your narrative but it's just how it is. A brief and cursory search will provide that for you. In summary - you made it up.
 
Barca84 said:
There is nothing to suggest the above is an opinion.



No I didn't. I asked for some evidence to back up your sweeping statement. I accused you of making it up. You're right though to now walk it back and confess it as just an opinion because it can't be anything else. A prejudiced and bigoted opinion that ignores all evidence and research to the contrary ie the reasons for the Brexit vote are complex and multiple. That might not fit your narrative but it's just how it is. A brief and cursory search will provide that for you. In summary - you made it up.
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What? So what you are stating are facts and not your opinion, show me.

Ok let's play along with this, so Brexit does not mean the end of freedom of movement, good news, the UK can stay in the Single Market, there are no problems with the foreigners who are in the UK and as it has been proved these EU nationals benefit the economy of the UK. Strange that T May said the other day that people voted for the end of Freedom of Movement. Why would they want that?
Strange that no other country in the EU is concerned with other European people living in their country.
 
Barca84 said:
There is nothing to suggest the above is an opinion.



No I didn't. I asked for some evidence to back up your sweeping statement. I accused you of making it up. You're right though to now walk it back and confess it as just an opinion because it can't be anything else. A prejudiced and bigoted opinion that ignores all evidence and research to the contrary ie the reasons for the Brexit vote are complex and multiple. That might not fit your narrative but it's just how it is. A brief and cursory search will provide that for you. In summary - you made it up.
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I'll double down. Main reason for Brexit is no wanting foreginers, ilegal or ilegal AND even born brittish with a different skin colour

And that is just an example



And yes, is an opinion just in the extension of MAIN reason. Still is one of the reasons and for me as many others is the main reason as well. And there are many links, videos, articles and so on that You know I know you know exists
 
Paul the Wolf said:
What? So what you are stating are facts and not your opinion, show me.
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Already linked. Thanks @4bars :

http://csi.nuff.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Carl_Reasons_Voting.pdf

Your position is quite neatly touched upon in the summary. I expect you'll recognise it. Refusing to acknowledge that there are clearly identified multiple and complex reasons for the Brexit vote, including but absolutely not singularly due to issues of xenophobia, makes you sound as ill informed and prejudicial as a voting demographic you consistently demonise. Here's a basic wiki page for you that explores a lot of the contributing factors to the vote and I think you'd benefit from following up on some of the links in the references. It's actually fascinating stuff:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit#Immigration

And finally Ashcroft's referendum day survey:

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

Steven Seagull said:
Immigration concerns does not mean “British people don’t want foreigners in the UK”
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Here's the nub. According to 4bars paul et al it does. To "have immigration concerns" is viewed as no more than a thinly disguised euphemism for being racist and or xenophobic. No doubt it is for some but absolutely not for all.

Some required reading for anyone who thinks, like paul does, that "British people don't want foreigners in the UK":

http://nationalconversation.uk/wp-c...onversation-exec-summary-2018-09-v2-PRINT.pdf

which as Lisa Nandy correctly summarises "showed that across the divide there is a sensible, committed majority in Britain whose concern for decency, humanity, kindness and fairness echoes strongly. They not only demand, but deserve, a greater say in the future of their country and the power to build the ambitious, inclusive communities they long for"

Good reading if you can take your fingers out of your ears long enough to scroll through it.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
Strange that no other country in the EU is concerned with other European people living in their country.
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We certainly haven't encountered any anti-British sentiment in our semi-rural, non-diverse village here in Italy. In fact, we feel welcomed. People seem to be happy that Brits and other Europeans are here - and this is not a sophisticated metropolis.

A friend of ours (British) who lives and works here had a family tragedy last year. The way local people rallied around him and his family was absolutely heart-warming. Their kindness and generosity was amazing.
 
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