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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/oct/29/uk-eu-flights-disrupted-brexit-chris-grayling
"Flights could be disrupted after Brexit, the transport secretary has admitted, but he said the European commission would be to blame for not starting talks on a deal to keep planes in the air."
Absolutely nothing to do with the UK leaving the EU then.
Chris Grayling told an aviation conference that disruption was “unlikely” but that talks to secure an aviation agreement had not yet started with only five months to the date of Britain’s departure. He added: “That process is not in our hands.”
Taking back control.
"Flights could be disrupted after Brexit, the transport secretary has admitted, but he said the European commission would be to blame for not starting talks on a deal to keep planes in the air."
Absolutely nothing to do with the UK leaving the EU then.
Chris Grayling told an aviation conference that disruption was “unlikely” but that talks to secure an aviation agreement had not yet started with only five months to the date of Britain’s departure. He added: “That process is not in our hands.”
Taking back control.
I'll buy one of those silver proof coins.
I'd love to just split the rules down the middle. Some people have to abide by some and some by others. Some have to eat shite and pay more (with their shitty coin). Some don't. I wonder how long they'd want to stay on that side?
They kicked common sense's arse good and proper.
Fu ck you common sense. We don't like your sort round here.
Hong Kong definitely did.
About time that thread title was updated.
Can't we just have a new referendum to join the EU on Mar 30, 2019?
Yes. Although, it is normal for the conquerors to think that the subjugated are benefiting from the subjugation.
That wasn't the point of my post anyway.
Some brexiteers long for past glory so they have fantasies of a future that can never exist.
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Same can hardly be extended to mainland china though...
China wasn't a colony?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ed-brexit-check-eu-nationals-right-to-work-uk
Another contender for the most incompetent politician.
Is it a pre-requisite for being part of the new global Britain to be a complete numpty?
Another contender for the most incompetent politician.
Is it a pre-requisite for being part of the new global Britain to be a complete numpty?
I think the big hurdles any rejoin campaign will face (whenever it happens which I think it will at some point) is that I can't see the EU bending the rules and that would imply no rebate and joining the euro...
Whilst there may (or may not) currently be a majority for remain (on current terms) I doubt there would be a majority for be in the EU but use the euro and loose the rebates
I’m hoping the EU agrees with rejoining on the same terms. That solves the issue of people complaining about voting again and again.
This is a brand new referendum, join the EU on Mar 30, at 0000.
I doubt they would agree to that... The logic would be to cancel the article 50 process.
But again I think it's pretty unrealistic it would probably take a few weeks to get the legislation and any referendum wording through parliamen... Then there is what an 8 or 12 week campaign period before any vote
As there isn't a parliamentary process now and to be honest I think no real sign of one starting then we are pretty much out of time once we miss the December deadline for securing a deal
A drop in the ocean of clusterfecks like middle-east, africa, india and many other places
https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1031/1007668-brexit/
Can anyone clarify if English folk who get an Irish passport can still retain UK citizenship once outside of the EU (I know NI folk can, obviously)? I assume yes, in which case they're probably largely getting an Irish passport so they can still freely travel around Europe should the proverbial shit hit the proverbial fan?
Can anyone clarify if English folk who get an Irish passport can still retain UK citizenship once outside of the EU (I know NI folk can, obviously)? I assume yes, in which case they're probably largely getting an Irish passport so they can still freely travel around Europe should the proverbial shit hit the proverbial fan?
Won't be on the same terms, if we're rejoing it's because we fecked up. We'd have to change to the Euro and join the Schengen area, it would also take years and most likely there would also be a hesitance to let us back in.
Oh yeah, we'd clearly get the £8 billion rebate again...Suspect like all other new members they would want us joining the euro as well
Which honestly wouldn't bother me at all ... But yeah there is no way the others agree to any rebate if we rejoin
Wouldn't just be the Rebate but the Veto too.
Nah, just send it to the US in return for chlorinated chicken, FDA regulations and privatised hospitals, what could possibly go wrong.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/let-american-firms-run-hospitals-urges-free-trade-group-5rxxd9tb8
Good to see Fox and Johnson backing it though after the original claims that it was all scare mongering.
What do this bunch of public school charlatans have to do before the working class Brexiteers see that they're not on your side and will not relent until they've reinstated work houses, debtors jails and hunting with dogs only chasing after the oiks rather than foxes.
Cut out the middle (white upper class) man.
Yes you would have two passports and would be free to use whichever you wanted at any time you chose.
It could well be we would have to have the Euro, Schengen, no rebate and no veto if we rejoin in years to come, but this could also be the price if we apply to withdraw article 50 now. Which is why calls for a second referendum aren't yet thought through. We can guess what the EU will want but we don't know, so as it stands Leavers will say all these things will happen and the chances of a second referendum delivering the result it's adherents want is zero.
Of course May could ask the EU first could we remain on the same terms as now, if the electorate demonstrated we wanted to, and Remainers should be asking her to do that as part of her current talks, not just aimlessly waffling 'second referendum'. And I'm aware that individuals on the EU side have said they would like us to stay, in the past, but that ain't no EU Council or Parliament decision, and that's what it would take.
The Tories will probably ask for interest on it too.
It's almost like we didn't know we actually had a pretty good deal.
We can't be sure but I think it highly likely that we could negotiate to stay on the same terms now, assuming it isn't to late, but that is never going to happen with the current idiots we have in lieu of leaders. They would fiddle while Rome burnt if they could figure out how matches worked.
You could very well be right, my point is that if a second referendum is held on an 'it's highly likely we'll get the same terms' basis then Leavers will have free reign to claim the worst, and Remain will be slaughtered at the polls. We would need to know first.
Does that mean that No Deal Brexit isn't happening?
that's generally what happens when you strike a deal mate, yes
it's hard to know if Raab is bullshitting or not. I don't exactly trust the UK on these matters. I wouldn't assume any deal is struck until we see both parties signing it.
Well I never. As you say though I'll believe it when I see it.that's generally what happens when you strike a deal mate, yes
it's hard to know if Raab is bullshitting or not. I don't exactly trust the UK on these matters. I wouldn't assume any deal is struck until we see both parties signing it.
A deal might only cover the transition period though, if so a No Deal Brexit could still occur after that.
A transition deal with the EU is the easy part
It then has to get through parliament...
Which depending on the deal gives it somewhere between a very slim and no chance of coming into practice
This started because of a letter sent a week ago. Smell BS from Raab.
Turning back to the Brexit committee for a moment, in his response to Dominic Raab (here - pdf), Hilary Benn, the chair of the committee, complains that the Brexit department is not consulting enough with his committee. Benn says David Davis, Raab’s predecessor, said the government would consult parliament during the negotiations at least as much, or more, than the European commission would be consulting the European parliament. Benn goes on:
However, with Michel Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] meeting “almost daily” with the European parliament’s Brexitcoordinator, that commitment is not being met. In fact, having taken evidence from Michel Barnier in September, my committee has heard more recently from the EU negotiator than from those leading the negotiations for the UK.
Turning back to the Brexit committee for a moment, in his response to Dominic Raab (here - pdf), Hilary Benn, the chair of the committee, complains that the Brexit department is not consulting enough with his committee. Benn says David Davis, Raab’s predecessor, said the government would consult parliament during the negotiations at least as much, or more, than the European commission would be consulting the European parliament. Benn goes on:
However, with Michel Barnier [the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator] meeting “almost daily” with the European parliament’s Brexitcoordinator, that commitment is not being met. In fact, having taken evidence from Michel Barnier in September, my committee has heard more recently from the EU negotiator than from those leading the negotiations for the UK.
You're confident Corbyn won't back a transition deal? Obviously there would be rebels from both parties, but if Corbyn backed one it would be through. All he has to do is say he's putting the national interest (meaning his own desire for Brexit) above party politics and it would all be over. Too close to call for me.
It means Raab is too scared to appear before the Brexit Committee and has kicked the can down the road so he can delay it until 21st November, at least, probably praying that something happens in the meantime.
Meanwhile he hasn't gone to Brussels and also the EU are arranging seminars in preparation for No deal and are not planning on a November summit because there is insufficient progress.
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