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Paul the Wolf said:
If people can't be bothered about informing themselves or if they apathetic or they have a low IQ and can't understand the issue at hand or whatever the reason is that they can't have an informed opinion then why vote on something they haven't got a clue what they are voting for.
I have no problem with people voting for the opposite of my opinion provided that they did it in an informed way.

PS these are your words to @EyeInTheSky
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This sounds suspiciously like accusations of laziness? Also are you suggesting that people who aren't as "informed" as you (for whatever reason) shouldn't vote? This would suggest that you only want people to vote if they are informed to a degree that you approve of and therefore agree with you? How informed are you on the reasons for poor education?

Yes my words to @EyeInTheSky were ironic.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
And therein lies your problem... I did not say at all that the whole demographic are thick morons. I specifically stated that those particular people in the poorest areas who voted out of racist intentions are Thick morons not just because they are racist but also by biting the hand that feeds them since the subsidies the EU give the only companies they work for will be forced to lay them off and most likely relocate to other countries.

If I actually wanted to say that everyone was a thick moron I would have absolutely no problem with say that. This is the last time I will clarify for you. However, if you keep continuing to miscomprehend my posts and misrepresent me then you are kind of labelling yourself as one yourself.

My advice to you is to stop doubling down on your claim. I have made it 100% clear now.
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Cheers for the advice but.....

EyeInTheSky said:
I label anyone who votes to make their lives even worse as thick. Let us not get too PC about it. What other words can you use for the poorest regions voting leave so that the only thing keeping them in a job moves to a different country so they can be even poorer? I am sure they will still have some foreigners they can blame for their plight.

What these morons don't and will never realise is that their poverty or perceived hard luck was around well before a brown face ever landed in their country. Fecking idiots.
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I respect you feel no further need to clarify so maybe you'll prefer to leave it there.

We'll leave aside the fact that the reality is that in those poorest regions you speak of huge numbers of people have no job to worry about.
 
Mozza said:
'Tell me sir why did you vote leave?'

'Sovereignty init? Take back control'

'Control what specifically?'

'Control of our borders'
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You realise that there are non-white English people living in urban centers that are being overlooked for government funded housing because of the migrant crisis right? They have more to gain from stopping inward migration to the UK than some middle class white toffs living in the Cotswolds. In fact I would bet a very significant number of non-white people that voted for Leave did so for those reasons. Is that in your opinion a vote based on racism, or is it only racist when the voter is white?

I'm also going to assume that there are more working class non-whites in the UK than middle/upper class non-whites. With regards to employment they would also suffer most in terms of competition for lower waged jobs by migrants than say a middle class IT professional or Engineer. Another reason for non-whites to vote Leave. Are they being racist or are they just trying to protect their future? I guess it's only racist when they're white right?
 
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I didn't think we would be able to stockpile blood? Can't say I am too up on the subject but as someone who regularly donates, you are constantly being chased due to shortfalls. Not sure how that would allow stockpiling to take place.
 
Green_Red said:
You realise that there are non-white English people living in urban centers that are being overlooked for government funded housing because of the migrant crisis right? They have more to gain from stopping inward migration to the UK than some middle class white toffs living in the Cotswolds. In fact I would bet a very significant number of non-white people that voted for Leave did so for those reasons. Is that in your opinion a vote based on racism, or is it only racist when the voter is white?
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The housing crisis is not caused by migration

I'm also going to assume that there are more working class non-whites in the UK than middle/upper class non-whites. With regards to employment they would also suffer most in terms of competition for lower waged jobs by migrants than say a middle class IT professional or Engineer. Another reason for non-whites to vote Leave. Are they being racist or are they just trying to protect their future? I guess it's only racist when they're white right?
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An immigrant earning minimum wage is going to spend most that cash in the UK, he'll earn 15k and create the same in demand. Net effect, one new minimum wage job
 
Green_Red said:
Interesting article about comments made by chairman of Barclays bank

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2018/0725/980927-uk-banks-and-brexit/
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Well his opinion is about as biased an opinion as you’re likely to hear, considering his role in that interview.

"I don't think in the long run that there will be terminal damage [to London]," Mr McFarlane said in an interview with Reuters in his capacity as chair of lobby group The CityUK.
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Even then, his choice of words aren’t very reassuring. “In the long run” “terminal damage” “I don’t think”

Plus, what people do is always more revealing than what they say.

Barclays has announced plans to shift up to 200 roles to the continent as part of its Brexit planning.
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Oldyella said:
I didn't think we would be able to stockpile blood? Can't say I am too up on the subject but as someone who regularly donates, you are constantly being chased due to shortfalls. Not sure how that would allow stockpiling to take place.
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I think the plan is to use the blood of the Remainers cleansed in the great cull just before Glorious Independence Day.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But for people to inform themselves they shouldn't listen to the Daily Mail, the Guardian, Farage , me, you or anyone.
Don't listen to people's opinions, find out the facts, in this day and age it's so easy.
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I agree, but it’s still not that easy. There’s bias everywhere, and while the usual suspects are easy to spot, others not so much. Propaganda works because it’s a constant stream of bullshit in your ear. That’s hard to fight against when you don’t know it’s a problem. Especially when you factor ego into it. So you have a constant stream of bullshit in your ear and the voice in your head telling you that you can’t be wrong vs some stranger telling you things that contradict what you hold as truth. Truth is hard to come by when the most accessible channels are lying and you won’t allow yourself the embarrassment of being wrong. That why you see so may people doubling down on terrible arguments.
 
Barca84 said:
This sounds suspiciously like accusations of laziness? Also are you suggesting that people who aren't as "informed" as you (for whatever reason) shouldn't vote? This would suggest that you only want people to vote if they are informed to a degree that you approve of and therefore agree with you? How informed are you on the reasons for poor education?

Yes my words to @EyeInTheSky were ironic.
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Just vote on facts not opinions, not mine and not yours. If you can't be bothered to be informed that's lazy. If you are voting on a specific issue then read up on it. It's not a lottery.
You keep accusing people of various things but don't like it when other people do it. We're back to the holier than thou , aren't we? Excellent.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
I agree, but it’s still not that easy. There’s bias everywhere, and while the usual suspects are easy to spot, others not so much. Propaganda works because it’s a constant stream of bullshit in your ear. That’s hard to fight against when you don’t know it’s a problem. Especially when you factor ego into it. So you have a constant stream of bullshit in your ear and the voice in your head telling you that you can’t be wrong vs some stranger telling you things that contradict what you hold as truth. Truth is hard to come by when the most accessible channels are lying and you won’t allow yourself the embarrassment of being wrong. That why you see so may people doubling down on terrible arguments.
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I agree with you. It's not easy. But nothing anyone could say to me would influence me into doing something unless I made sure myself that what I was told was the truth.
 
Barca84 said:
This sounds suspiciously like accusations of laziness? Also are you suggesting that people who aren't as "informed" as you (for whatever reason) shouldn't vote? This would suggest that you only want people to vote if they are informed to a degree that you approve of and therefore agree with you? How informed are you on the reasons for poor education?

Yes my words to @EyeInTheSky were ironic.
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That’s why we have representative democracy - people generally don’t have the time or inclination to read up on the myriad of issues with which a government has to deal. It’s particularly pertinent to the June 16 referendum where I reckon hardly anyone (including me) understood all the implications of leaving and a substantial number had basically no clue what they were really voting for. So the largest share of the blame is with Cameron for calling the referendum although that doesn’t make it any less irritating when you hear ill-informed leavers mouthing off while the country heads for the rocks.
 
Striker10 said:
Voting to leave isn't racism. It was never racism. Immigration is fine but blindly accepting is madness. The reason being the culture becomes unstable. Cultures do not always respect the divide, one will eventually look to dominate. Didn't people used to go to war to protect their people and fight for their land? Now, it seems the way to infiltrate is put those who would fight in a far away country and then pray on the empathy of those watching the lying news media to let everyone in. We've lots of land and I think we can manage. Those that fear monger don't really seem to have much faith in the resourcefulness of this country but there are many nations and many people that would love to leave the EU. Not because Europe isn't an amazing community, it's the fact those in charge are psychos who we never elected, who don't give a shit about us or our community and who don't even care about refugees...All they are to them, is a means to an end. The issue is ending war....that is the issue. But you get these little dictators with a god complex trying to destroy the cultures of Europe. Brexit would be the best thing that could happen because as a country, we WOULD really have to pull together. In the EU, I don't think you can create that same spirit. People have to put aside their differences and that will not happen under a dictatorship because they will flood this nation and destroy it's culture 10 times over. In addition, Brexit was never about racism. Racism is a political tool used to promote multi culturalism which is promotion and celebration of immigration.
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This is one hell of a mess
 
Cascarino said:
This is one hell of a mess
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Farage's speech writer in angry mode.

Pogue Mahone said:
Well his opinion is about as biased an opinion as you’re likely to hear, considering his role in that interview.



Even then, his choice of words aren’t very reassuring. “In the long run” “terminal damage” “I don’t think”

Plus, what people do is always more revealing than what they say.
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Are you not heartened by the lack of 'terminal' damage? Odd interview to take solace from, although they're probably moving less roles onto the continent than initially feared- for now at least.
 
:lol:Just seen that I believe got to 362 posts in this thread. Had forgotten about him and his heavy use of people's names. That's a lot of posts given he lasted five minutes.
 
Jippy said:
:lol:Just seen that I believe got to 362 posts in this thread. Had forgotten about him and his heavy use of people's names. That's a lot of posts given he lasted five minutes.
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Come on, Jippy, do you really believe he should have only lasted nine minutes Jippy? Oh Jippy, I expected better from you.

I reckon BuryRed was actually right about him being a Russian :lol:
 
MoskvaRed said:
That’s why we have representative democracy - people generally don’t have the time or inclination to read up on the myriad of issues with which a government has to deal. It’s particularly pertinent to the June 16 referendum where I reckon hardly anyone (including me) understood all the implications of leaving and a substantial number had basically no clue what they were really voting for. So the largest share of the blame is with Cameron for calling the referendum although that doesn’t make it any less irritating when you hear ill-informed leavers mouthing off while the country heads for the rocks.
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I completely agree that there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. My issue is mainly with those who like to portray those who voted differently to them as thick/morons/ ergo they are not thick/a moron (thick and moron not being my choice of words but these are the ones getting banded about in this forum) because they are supposedly "better informed".
 
Reddy Rederson said:
I dont think the majority of people are racist, but I think a lot of them have been duped into believing racist and bigoted things by a very strong propaganda machine that paints immigrants as job thieves and benefit scroungers. If you get told something often enough and theres no counter to it, its easy to understand why people might believe it. At least I prefer that idea to the one where everyone around me is a cnut.
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Agree with this strongly. Where I live and work it is predominantly white British and over 70% voted to leave. Any racism here is fuelled by the media and a political class who feel it beneficial to stoke it as opposed to any personal life experiences.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Come on, Jippy, do you really believe he should have only lasted nine minutes Jippy? Oh Jippy, I expected better from you.

I reckon BuryRed was actually right about him being a Russian :lol:
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:lol:Urgh, it's horrible when people do that.

Dunno if he was a Russian, a bot, troll or just a racist nutter, but he was...something.
 
Barca84 said:
I completely agree that there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. My issue is mainly with those who like to portray those who voted differently to them as thick/morons/ ergo they are not thick/a moron (thick and moron not being my choice of words but these are the ones getting banded about in this forum) because they are supposedly "better informed".
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You really don't get it do you.
Right let us try just a few of these:
The UK don't have control of their borders, a frequent statement made by Brexiters .
Is this correct or not?
The UK could not have blue passports while in the EU.
Is this correct or not.
Can the UK not erect a border if they leave the Customs Union and revert to WTO rules?

These are not opinions, the answers are facts.
Nothing about voting differently.
Maybe some people are better informed.
Maybe there are some stupid people.
Maybe there are some lazy people.

Oh dearie me.
 
Mozza said:
The housing crisis is not caused by migration



An immigrant earning minimum wage is going to spend most that cash in the UK, he'll earn 15k and create the same in demand. Net effect, one new minimum wage job
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I agree that immigration is not the root cause of the crisis but surely you must concede that an extra x000 people arriving every year and needing a place to live would exacerbate the situation?
 
Paul said:
You really don't get it do you?
We're leaving the fecking EU!
We won't have control,
We'll be on the dole,
And I hope you like eating your shoe.
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Paul the Wolf said:
You really don't get it do you.
Right let us try just a few of these:
The UK don't have control of their borders, a frequent statement made by Brexiters .
Is this correct or not?
The UK could not have blue passports while in the EU.
Is this correct or not.
Can the UK not erect a border if they leave the Customs Union and revert to WTO rules?

These are not opinions, the answers are facts.
Nothing about voting differently.
Maybe some people are better informed.
Maybe there are some stupid people.
Maybe there are some lazy people.

Oh dearie me.
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Nothing that you've posted here has anything to do with what I've posted nor addressed any of the questions I've asked of you. In fact half of it makes no sense whatsoever. You also seem to be confusing me for a Leave voter. Do you need me to go back over things? :confused:
 
Barca84 said:
Nothing that you've posted here has anything to do with what I've posted nor addressed any of the questions I've asked of you. In fact half of it makes no sense whatsoever. You also seem to be confusing me for a Leave voter. Do you need me to go back over things? :confused:
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No, the point is that people call people stupid and thick and moronic when the reason they give for voting Brexit is an obvious falsehood.
If a person says they voted for reason 'x' and that was a valid reason then it wouldn't happen. That person may not be happy that the other person voted thus but they wouldn't call them stupid.

Let's just take one of the questions say blue passports, I presume you know that the UK could have had blue passports, therefore if a Brexiter says 'I voted Brexit because I want a blue passport' what would your opinion be of that person?

1. Oh what a silly sausage, never mind anyone can make a mistake, don't worry about the mess you've put the country in.
2. Why didn't you check first, it would have taken two minutes. Ignorance is no excuse.
3. How stupid can you get.
4. Well done for being so well informed. Excellent choice.
 
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