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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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I can answer her question: none. You can’t remain in the costums union and do independent trade deals. That’s the very principle of it. It’s NOT a free trade area.

That isn't true. Countries inside the Customs Union are free to make as many trade arrangements with those outside of the Customs Union as they want - and do.
 
That isn't true. Countries inside the Customs Union are free to make as many trade arrangements with those outside of the Customs Union as they want - and do.

Like who? They are all EU members other than the micro-states and Turkey.

Note: A precondition of the customs union is that the European Commission negotiates for and on behalf of the Union as a whole in international trade deals such as the World Trade Organisation, rather than each member state negotiating individually.

That's why the UK want to leave it.
 
From their pov, there's no point extending the deadline of our demands are still unrealistic.
 
From their pov, there's no point extending the deadline of our demands are still unrealistic.
Yup, why allow time for more of the same bullshit.

On the bright side, we might get more time for another election or referendum.
 
Rees-Mogg’s investment firm that he part owns has launched a second Irish hedge fund to avoid Brexit carnage.
 
That isn't true. Countries inside the Customs Union are free to make as many trade arrangements with those outside of the Customs Union as they want - and do.

Oh yes it’s true. Come on, name all those trade deals done independently from the EU. By the way, this is one of the very reasons cited for Brexit.
 
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He has never said that he wanted the PM job while he is a backbencher. I think a backbencher has only gone straight into number 10 once. I could be wrong. Too say that JRMs motives are purely selfish regarding brexit, is ridiculous. He's a principled Catholic, and has come under fire for his religious views. He's also back May and her government.

So? If you think someone simply being Catholic is a reason to trust them then you either have no expose to the Catholic Church or don't want to realise the pure evil visited upon mainly children by the church. My point is that being a Catholic doesn't make you any more or less likely to be selfish or trustworthy than an Muslim or an Atheist.

Let's remember that "no deal" hurts both parties. The EU gets no money, and the trade arrangement will hurt them as much or more than us. We can trade with the EU under WTO rules, but both sides won't want this. The EU's biggest advantage is that Westminster is mostly for remain, and that's where the EU is wanting brexit to defeated. They want parliament to undermine brexit, and do their work for them.

The EU wants us to remain but if we insist on leaving then they want us to leave on the date we decided to leave. Why would they allow us to carry on proposing stuff that is never going to be acceptable for another 2 years? To extend takes the agreement of all 27 members and it is going to take a commitment to another referendum at the very least for them all to agree to let us have longer to get our shit together.

David Davies briefed government about a no deal brexit just before he resigned. There are pans in place on our side.

David Davis and plans are 2 things you don't really associate with each other.

Do you think they'll really move?

Some companies will and those who stay may do for a shorter period than they would otherwise. Those that stay will on average invest less.

Do you underestimate the size of the British economy?

No. I'm sure everyone knows we contribute about 6% of EU GDP.

No, that's just your own fears telling you this, because you live abroad. The opportunities are exciting.

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Speaking in Berlin on his first trip since taking up the role earlier this month, Jeremy Hunt told his German counterpart Heiko Maas that “there is now a very real threat of a Brexit no deal by accident, and this is because many people in the EU are thinking that they just have to wait long enough and Britain will blink.”
"Without a real change in approach from the EU negotiators we do now face a real risk of a no deal by accident, and that would be incredibly challenging economically. Britain would find that challenging, but in the end we would find a way not just to survive but to thrive economically. But my real concern is that it would change British public attitudes to Europe for a generation."

Or in other words " if the EU don't give in to our ridiculous demands we will shoot ourselves in the head but my real concern is that we would leave the EU"

He's totally insane. Get rid of one nutter and another one comes along. A whole conveyor belt of useless incompetents.
 
You'd think it was the EU that stopped us drafting a white paper for nearly two years.
I don't even know where to start with Hunt. He's lucky they didn't run him out of town after that nonsense.
 
Anyone else starting to think they are deliberately screwing up and stalling these negotiations to get a hard brexit? (And no tax regs for their billionaire mates)
 
Speaking in Berlin on his first trip since taking up the role earlier this month, Jeremy Hunt told his German counterpart Heiko Maas that “there is now a very real threat of a Brexit no deal by accident, and this is because many people in the EU are thinking that they just have to wait long enough and Britain will blink.”

So he reckons the EU better blink because the UK aren't going to. For fecks sake..
 
Anyone else starting to think they are deliberately screwing up and stalling these negotiations to get a hard brexit? (And no tax regs for their billionaire mates)

I'd suggest that either they are deliberately screwing it up in the hope of being able to dump Brexit and not leave or that they are aiming to crash out with a no deal to avoid having to comply with the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive being implemented in January next year as that might hurt their big business buddies. Both sound like insane conspiracy theories but given the insanity we hear on a daily basis about motorways being closed to serve as lorry parks and food and medicine stockpiling and rationing you do have to wonder.
 
I'd suggest that either they are deliberately screwing it up in the hope of being able to dump Brexit and not leave or that they are aiming to crash out with a no deal to avoid having to comply with the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive being implemented in January next year as that might hurt their big business buddies. Both sound like insane conspiracy theories but given the insanity we hear on a daily basis about motorways being closed to serve as lorry parks and food and medicine stockpiling and rationing you do have to wonder.

Not just their big business buddies - if you think that the most pro-leave Tory MPs, Lords and donors aren't all tax-dodging themselves then you haven't been watching closely enough. It's personal for them.
 
I'd suggest that either they are deliberately screwing it up in the hope of being able to dump Brexit and not leave or that they are aiming to crash out with a no deal to avoid having to comply with the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive being implemented in January next year as that might hurt their big business buddies. Both sound like insane conspiracy theories but given the insanity we hear on a daily basis about motorways being closed to serve as lorry parks and food and medicine stockpiling and rationing you do have to wonder.
I believe that this chaos is the Tory Brexiter "strategy" for negotiating with the EU. Feck around for a couple of years and eventually the EU will be desperate enough for a deal to give us what we want.

No deal can be blamed on evil EU beaurocrats if necessary.
 
Anyone else starting to think they are deliberately screwing up and stalling these negotiations to get a hard brexit? (And no tax regs for their billionaire mates)
There are a powerful group of people who want to turn this country into a low tax low regulation economic pariah. Sort of an America on steroids. After we crash out, just watch how taxes are cut, just watch how regulation (banking, food, safety, healthcare etc) is done away with under the guise of keeping the economy afloat. Just watched h how fund managers and American billionaires pick up cheap public assets.
 
For the 4581st time, the fix was in from the start. Years ago.
 
Anyone else starting to think they are deliberately screwing up and stalling these negotiations to get a hard brexit? (And no tax regs for their billionaire mates)
If you're asking does Theresa May want a hard brexit, then I think not. Of the others some do and some don't, and it's that disagreement that's led to no real strategy and hence the screwing up. Same disagreement that started the whole cock-up in the first place of course.