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Scarfolk has always been eerily like Brexit Britain anyway, good to see the government finally acknowledging it.


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In fact worryingly it looks like it might be where the government are getting all their ideas

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The last two in particular are :eek:
 
The demonisation of the mainstream helps that too. If all politicians are the same and all the 'MSM' lie, what reason isn't there to believe racist feckwits who mainstream politicians and the MSM oppose?

"All politicians are the same"
"Everything the press say is a lie"

There's little that's aided the rise of Brexit and Trump more than that. Moderate political voices, experts, institutions - all mercilessly attacked and undermined in an era where people seek out news they want to hear rather than absorb news that's actually true. So Muslim countries allow men to rape children. Anything said against this politician I like is a conspiracy. Racism doesn't exist because this bloke on Facebook told me.

It's all the same. It's all exactly the same.

Yep, it's a sad state of affairs alright.
 
The UK should tell Ireland, what is YOUR plan for a no deal brexit for the UK?
You wanna get tough with the EU?
You want to sell beef to us etc?
Because the UK signed an agreement with the EU stating that what ever happened there would be no boarders between NI and ROI. Are you saying that the UK can't be trusted to honour agreements they sign? If yes then why should anybody make a trade agreement with us.

The UK government committed on 8 December 2017 to “the avoidance of a hard border, including any physical infrastructure or related checks and controls”. Moreover, it also agreed to a backstop agreement, which means that in the absence of any other agreement “the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the internal market and the customs union which, now or in the future, support north-south cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 agreement”.
 
When the penny drops with people just how less attractive a trading partner we are when we can no longer offer access to the wider European market by virtue of trading with us should be a watershed moment. It won't be though. Someone will say "project fear", someone else will say "fish" and someone else will wonder why we're being so pessimistic because it's not nearly as bad as a world war.

 
The bloody nerve of Morgan (who'd likely become the new Lord Haw-Haw if the fee satisfied him) citing the War, considering his historic traduction of British soldiers.
 
The bloody nerve of Morgan (who'd likely become the new Lord Haw-Haw if the fee satisfied him) citing the War, considering his historic traduction of British soldiers.

Not to mention those wars saw massive losses of life, destruction to major UK cities and towns in blitzes, and involved extreme rationing and major sacrifices from people in the home-front in their day-to-day lives, all while living with the perpetual fear they could be bombed or that we'd lose the war. If that's the sort of thing we're having to prevail over here then...yeah, can see why some people might not be quite so keen on Brexit.:lol:
 
Not to mention those wars saw massive losses of life, destruction to major UK cities and towns in blitzes, and involved extreme rationing and major sacrifices from people in the home-front in their day-to-day lives, all while living with the perpetual fear they could be bombed or that we'd lose the war. If that's the sort of thing we're having to prevail over here then...yeah, can see why some people might not be quite so keen on Brexit.:lol:

Reminds me of a quote from the Vietnam war doc I'm watching. Along the lines of 'victory in war is most celebrated by those who never witnessed it'. The nostalgia of the post-war generation has led to a huge sense of self-importance and exceptionalism without any knowledge of the suffering. If they actually witnessed any of the horrors of war they would be happier to forget about it.
 
Reminds me of a quote from the Vietnam war doc I'm watching. Along the lines of 'victory in war is most celebrated by those who never witnessed it'. The nostalgia of the post-war generation has led to a huge sense of self-importance and exceptionalism without any knowledge of the suffering. If they actually witnessed any of the horrors of war they would be happier to forget about it.

That’s a great quote and a great post, thanks for sharing.
 
Been thinking about this for a while.


Probably not really true. By most reports the DUP representative in London are a different kettle of fish to those in Northern Ireland, it might be true with them. They apparently don't have much affection for the GFA. They prefer their little ideology to the practicalities of living in Northern Ireland i guess, probably because they don't live in NI. Been a few reports that most of the power in the party has passed to them and Arlene Foster et al are just following their lead at this stage. Its a problem I dont see any solution to during the lifetime of this british government.
 
Reminds me of a quote from the Vietnam war doc I'm watching. Along the lines of 'victory in war is most celebrated by those who never witnessed it'. The nostalgia of the post-war generation has led to a huge sense of self-importance and exceptionalism without any knowledge of the suffering. If they actually witnessed any of the horrors of war they would be happier to forget about it.
But think how lucky they are now to have you to explain that to them, with your superior understanding of history. If only that generation hadn't wasted so much time racing ferrets and standing at football matches they too might bettered themselves just like us.
 
But think how lucky they are now to have you to explain that to them, with your superior understanding of history. If only that generation hadn't wasted so much time racing ferrets and standing at football matches they too might bettered themselves just like us.

That was the view of a Vietnam Cong soldier who saw a rise in nationalism after the war and did not like to see the next generation revelling in his generations 'victory'. Nothing to do with my understanding of history, maybe you'd see that if you got off your high horse.
 
That was the view of a Vietnam Cong soldier who saw a rise in nationalism after the war and did not like to see the next generation revelling in his generations 'victory'. Nothing to do with my understanding of history, maybe you'd see that if you got off your high horse.
Fair enough. So long as you're not claiming any relevance to the UK today then consider me off it.
 
Probably not really true. By most reports the DUP representative in London are a different kettle of fish to those in Northern Ireland, it might be true with them. They apparently don't have much affection for the GFA. They prefer their little ideology to the practicalities of living in Northern Ireland i guess, probably because they don't live in NI. Been a few reports that most of the power in the party has passed to them and Arlene Foster et al are just following their lead at this stage. Its a problem I dont see any solution to during the lifetime of this british government.

The DUP have never supported the GFA. They were against it from the start. They see this as an opportunity to damage the Irish government by getting as hard a Brexit as possible and to also in their eyes anyway strengthen their ties with the rest of the UK by ensuring that Northern Ireland sticks with the same terms as rest of the UK - no matter what the cost. I think they see a hard border as damaging Ireland which is fine by them due to their innate hatred of ROI and couldn't give a toss what the impact will be in the north. They do not really care about the people of Northern Ireland outside of their core support and are more than happy to go against what is the wishes of the majority here (who voted against brexit) to benefit themselves by having power and influence in the UK parliament. They are to a man (and woman) utterly corrupt. I've had many dealings with the DUP over the years and I have witnessed first hand how they work. They truely are bereft of any moral compass and are all about getting power and more importantly money.
 
Vince Cable's career from 2010 onwards is a case-study on how to go from a respected politician to a joke. The whole strategy of his leadership of the Lib Dems has been to cast off the idea that they are ghoulish opportunists with no principles by turning them into a single-issue party to try and galvanise Remainers against Brexit.

It was already going to be a big ask for the LDs to sway Labour-voting Remainers given the fact that their ghoulish opportunism set the stage for 8 years of Tory shit, including the calling of the referendum in the first place. But on top of that, at the single moment where he had a chance to really land a blow on Brexit he misses the vote because he's planning another act of ghoulish opportunism.
 

Well it might explain why Cable missed the vote, although I suspect his meeting couldn't have been all that important as no prospective Conservative or Labour allies seem to have missed the votes in the same way.

As for anyone having a go at Cable for slipping on his anti-Brexit credentials, that would be fair unless you're one of those who voted Conservative or Labour in the last general election, both of which enshrined Brexit in their manifestos. Even if Cable is an imperfect Remainer he's a fecking sight better than May and Corbyn, both of whom stood for Brexit. If you did vote Conservative or Labour then you can have no claim to oppose Brexit now.
 
Well it might explain why Cable missed the vote, although I suspect his meeting couldn't have been all that important as no prospective Conservative or Labour allies seem to have missed the votes in the same way.

As for anyone having a go at Cable for slipping on his anti-Brexit credentials, that would be fair unless you're one of those who voted Conservative or Labour in the last general election, both of which enshrined Brexit in their manifestos. Even if Cable is an imperfect Remainer he's a fecking sight better than May and Corbyn, both of whom stood for Brexit. If you did vote Conservative or Labour then you can have no claim to oppose Brexit now.
Except it’s a bit more complicated than that surely? Brexit was not the only issue and clearly large amounts of remainers voted for those parties. That is not a disonant position.
 
Except it’s a bit more complicated than that surely? Brexit was not the only issue and clearly large amounts of remainers voted for those parties. That is not a disonant position.
I don't know what disonant means, but when I read this thread I get the impression that Brexit is far and away the biggest national issue, by a country mile. If any of the large number of remainers that voted for those parties are saying they regret it then fair play to them. God knows we all make mistakes. Not many seem capable of that though, for whatever reason, it's all somebody else's fault, their vote didn't count.
 
I don't know what disonant means, but when I read this thread I get the impression that Brexit is far and away the biggest national issue, by a country mile. If any of the large number of remainers that voted for those parties are saying they regret it then fair play to them. God knows we all make mistakes. Not many seem capable of that though, for whatever reason, it's all somebody else's fault, their vote didn't count.
Brexit was indeed a massive issue, but, for instance, many remainers will have voted Labour in an effort to oust a right wing Tory party, a position the realtively weak Liberals would never have been able to do. Removing the Tories (partly because thier internal politics caused Brexit in the first place) was as important to many as Brexit...and had Labour won (a primarily Remain parliamentary party) who knows what would have happened regarding Brexit...certainly it would, at the least, not have been hard.
 
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Scarfolk has always been eerily like Brexit Britain anyway, good to see the government finally acknowledging it.


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national2www-scarfolk-blogspot-com.jpg

refugee-www-scarfolk-blogspot-com.jpg

nazi_www-scarfolk-blogspot-com.jpg


In fact worryingly it looks like it might be where the government are getting all their ideas

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created 18 months before the Windrush scandal broke

Good damn it the internet has me at the point where I don't know if this is satire or an honest opinion. I want that reality back where I can clearly say a stupid exaggeration is satire and not a real political opinion someone holds.
 
As for anyone having a go at Cable for slipping on his anti-Brexit credentials, that would be fair unless you're one of those who voted Conservative or Labour in the last general election, both of which enshrined Brexit in their manifestos. Even if Cable is an imperfect Remainer he's a fecking sight better than May and Corbyn, both of whom stood for Brexit. If you did vote Conservative or Labour then you can have no claim to oppose Brexit now.
Depends on your MP, I guess. I voted Labour (in a Labour safe seat) because my MP has been clear in continuing to fight for the UK to remain in the EU. In the GM Mayoral election, I couldn’t vote for Burnham after his EU voting record post-Brexit referendum. The quality I most admire in a elected representative is to fight to do the right thing, even if that may be not the most popular thing and you may have a struggle to win your electorate over. I’ve lost respect for so many elected officials who are seemingly willing to engage in such a monumental act of national self harm due to a narrow, purely advisory, referendum defeat. Some of the indifference and hand washing has been extraordinary.
 
Good damn it the internet has me at the point where I don't know if this is satire or an honest opinion. I want that reality back where I can clearly say a stupid exaggeration is satire and not a real political opinion someone holds.
The fact is that it's both. Satire only really works if it's based in reality.
 
A new Ferry corridor is mentioned in the EU proposal. Planning for everything.

*seeing southern ireland written down breaks my heart a little bit. We're just Ireland...
When I heard May refer to Northern Ireland and then mention the "Northern and Southern areas", I wondered if she was talking about the southern parts of Northern Ireland, or whether she realises theres actually two countries. Shes a fecking mole.
 
If we do a soft brexit does that mean we'd have to adhere to the EU's new tax regulations next year? Can't see it being anything other than hard brexit if that was the case.
That common rule book that May put forward will never work. It would work at the beginning but as soon as a few new changes in customs regs or tax regs or manufacturing / product standards came through and Westminster voted them down there would be deviation from the original rule book and the 27 will not accept that. So dont even worry about it. Thats never going to be accepted.
 
Latest Sunday Times poll:

Call it all off and Remain: 50%

Leave: 38%

May's white paper Brexit: 11%


Once 2nd preferences were taken into account - Remain 54% - No Deal Brexit 46%


What's worrying is that survey found 24% willing to vote for an explicitly far-right, anti-Islam, anti-immigrant party.
 
Latest Sunday Times poll:

Call it all off and Remain: 50%

Leave: 38%

May's white paper Brexit: 11%


Once 2nd preferences were taken into account - Remain 54% - No Deal Brexit 46%


What's worrying is that survey found 24% willing to vote for an explicitly far-right, anti-Islam, anti-immigrant party.

Thats quite shocking
How do you react to that? How do you minimise the damage that would be done?
 
Latest Sunday Times poll:

Call it all off and Remain: 50%

Leave: 38%

May's white paper Brexit: 11%


Once 2nd preferences were taken into account - Remain 54% - No Deal Brexit 46%


What's worrying is that survey found 24% willing to vote for an explicitly far-right, anti-Islam, anti-immigrant party.
That's the normal level at the moment in Europe.
 
Thats quite shocking
How do you react to that? How do you minimise the damage that would be done?

I think you react by start defending mainstream moderate voices, institutions, the rule of law, experts and properly sourced and responsible journalism. And by viewing those who seem hell bent on making you think that anything 'establishment' is wicked, evil, corrupt and out to get you, with more suspicion than the thing they're asking you to be suspicious of.

Personally I think one of the reasons why people find extremists so appealing is that so few are represented by anyone on the front-line of mainstream politics. To put it nicely, both the political agendas and/or ideologies of the front benches of both main parties are an acquired taste right now and that creates a vacuum as significant swathes of the population are not really represented. I know that there always are people who don't feel represented by the two main parties but I've never known as much disillusionment. Combine that with Brexit where 50%+ of the entire country are completely unrepresented at all as both main parties are on the same page.
 
Member of Parliament for Mid Bedfordshire.

On another note, government will soon start stockpiling food.