I don't see why that complicates things. I am actually half Irish myself, so I can apply for an Irish passport. Which will give me dual citizenship I guess. So I'd still be an EU citizen. Where is the complication?
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I don't see why that complicates things. I am actually half Irish myself, so I can apply for an Irish passport. Which will give me dual citizenship I guess. So I'd still be an EU citizen. Where is the complication?
There's none there. The difference is that I believe all NI citizens have dual citizenship, which essentially means you have an entire portion of the UK expecting to be able to move freely between NI and ROI as they have done before, with open borders etc.
No between Ireland and the UK you don't need a passport if you're a UK/IE citizen, actually. Any established proof of ID is fine.
if you think having to go through the generally far slower, higher security, non-EU line and obtain a Visa any time you visit a country a half hour flight away is "irrelevant" then good for you, I doubt many others will feel the same.
Between the EU and the UK/Ireland no passport is necessary! You can cross with any EU Id card! It's just us Brits don't have them
Yeah no shit. And then Ireland and the UK joined the EU at the same time and it continues to exist.
Either way the CTA has only existed during a period when IE and the UK have been in the same bloc.
So if the UK is no longer in that bloc..
If there is no complication of me having British/Irish citizenship, why would it be a complication for NI citizens having dual citizenship? Just because a lot of people will have it, doesn't mean it is a complication?
No that's incorrect, you either need the EU passport card or a passport.
No. We genuinely, really, really cannot. You need a valid reason justifiable in a court of law, if you decide to prevent an EU citizen from entering the country. People have legal rights you can't violate unless they've done something that forfeits those rights.
EDIT: Stop linking me useless material and read what you're linking me first. That link is talking immigration into the EU. I.e non-EU nationals moving to Europe. Not about EU citizens with EU passports.
I don't think much will change, based on how non-EU migration has been handled. I think EU migration itself is not even a real problem since the collapse of the Pound against most European currencies. Net EU migration is at the lowest levels it's been for a long time.
Are there any passport/ID checks between NI and Ireland on the border i.e. you can drive right through? Because if there are none than @Boogie Man 's suggestion isn't feasible.
There is nothing between IE and NI. You can drive past the border and then only thing you'll notice is a different metric system on road signs.
Exactly. If a caf cannot pay a decent salary it should not be open. But nevertheless, i do not believe there aren't any adequate burger flippers on the dole and i do not believe people should be paid 2.90 per hour to pick fruit, wherever they are from. We've created slave economies, if that's what everybody wants then fine. Just dint ever moan about your static salaries.
But my original argument, is why would the EU care if there isn't a hard border between NI & ROI? I'm still gonna have to get in the slow lane on a flight from Dublin no matter what (if I only have a British passport), whether there is a hard border or not up near Donegal (or wherever)
I am German and am planning a trip to the UK. As it is not a member of the Schengen area, can I enter the UK with my German identity card or must I present my passport?
As an EU country, on presentation of your official German identity card. You do not need to present your passport.
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/faq/index_en.htm
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm
You are wrong
Thought you meant Ireland > EU - which needs passport or our EU card.
Obviously that's mainly to do with trade and customs checks and tariffs on trade as opposed to movement of people between NI and IE.
But at the same time a non EU member being able to enter an EU country without any validation checks is illegal by EU law, unless they abide by EU laws like Norway (and even then I think some posters said there are checks between them & Sweden?
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit
Because we removed exit checks.
We can implement them again in full if we wanted to but we don't.
My take is it is just the EU being awkward. It makes no difference to any other EU countries what the UK and ROI agree upon on that little bit of border.
It's a shame, that Ireland fought long and hard for their freedom from Britain, only to give up that freedom to the EU who are now dictating what Ireland can and can't do on their own borders!
Freedom of movement is in fact free movement of labour, it's not about the physical movement of persons through borders, the Schengen agreement is about the physical right to move and the extension of member states citizens's rights to all EU citizens. Technically in Ireland and UK, I could be thrown out of the country if I don't have a job, it's different to France-Spain where I can be in Spain without a job as long as I don't require any benefits.
It would be like the equivalent of me caring whether there was a hard border between northern Cyprus and southern Cyprus. It makes no difference to me, or anyone else!
Aaaaaaand you're going on ignore. Pooft!
Yes that's all true. Likewise UK citizens currently have far more rights in Ireland than other EU nationals and vice-versa. I think the likely outcome is that even on a hard-brexit the UK and Ireland will find a way to keep those benefits between our citizens and allow us to live within each other's countries without restrictions, but obviously we would have to move through a border to do so, sadly.
If there is no open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland after Brexit I wouldn't be so sure you'll only need a passport to get to Paris.
It matters to the WTO, which you'll be trading under if you leave the SM. Maybe it shouldn't but it does. You could make a deal with Ireland specifically but the EU negotiates as a bloc, so any exceptions you make for Ireland (like free movement or trade across the border) will have to be given to all 27 member states. Similar issue with the WTO, you can't make exceptions for one country and not apply them to all trading partners. So you either need to make a deal with all 27 EU members or just drop any and all borders to every country in the world. Or else its a hard border.
Context is everything. Have you ever heard of 0% unemployment?
Currently it seems the 4.2% unemployment rate in the UK is the lowest since 1975. Record lowest is 3% in 1971.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate
How come there is no 0% unemployment?
Because the economy is dynamic, there is always some level of frictional and structural unemployment, which is known as the natural rate of unemployment. However, there is a major difference between frictional and structural unemployment. Those who are frictionally unemployed have useful, transferable skills. Those who are structurally unemployed do not.
https://research.stlouisfed.org/pub...hy-scarce-resources-are-sometimes-unemployed/
On the most basic level you can imagine a guy who’s physically able and willing to work, but he is also a complete moron with zero education or skills, and literally no company would take him because of his (past) behaviour/demanour.
How about a family where the man works and the woman is also available and willing to work, but only in the city she lives because her kids go to school there and she doesn’t want to move to another part of the country.
Those kind of situations account for that last 1-3% of unemployment, and scenarios like that are always going to be there.
But based on what you say in the quoted, it seems you would rather employ the native born former drug addict and convict with facial tattoos in your restaurant than a foreign well trained guy with loads of experience?
No sane business owner In the real world would want to do that though...
Hi - I'm a real person and it makes an enormous difference to me. Thanks for totally ignoring me and everybody I care about. Your famed empathy you harp on about doesn't appear to stretch to Ireland.
Face..fecking..palm.
Two years, 94 pages later and their solution to the border is still.. "errrm... we'll work on it together, guys?"
And what, hypothetically, would be the ramifications if we kept an open border and told the EU to go feck itself? War?
To be fair, squaring a circle takes a while.
The purpose of the White Paper is to (just about) hold the Tory party together rather than a serious basis for a future relationship with Europe.
And what, hypothetically, would be the ramifications if we kept an open border and told the EU to go feck itself? War?
France could just start putting one guy managing the customs at Calais and sit and watch the line of lorries start backing up across Kent. We’d cave in a week at most.
I was reading it and things start badly from page thirteen to apparently every other following pages.
A question for everyone, if you were Theresa May, and you decided "this shite is not worth it, let's just stay in the EU, much less hassle", how would you go about selling it to the UK? Must be something they've thought/thinking about. Would need to be pretty creative.
She might be able to sell it to the country but she couldn’t sell it to the members of her own party.
Good point. Damn shame we let France get hold of nukes really, otherwise we could have nipped that in the bud before tea time.
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They tried that in their ref campain, only 48% bought it.
If her party were onside she could just cancel it, i mean when has a tory party ever cared what joe soap thinks?
A mate of mine was in a team of 3 mechanics in Haarlem, they were all let go and replaced with eastern europeans. He now has to commute to Breda every single day of the week.
So when people tell me this shit dies not gi on they deluded.
People can also be retrained, its something the gov't should provide. If Jamie Oliver can get a bunch of half wits to run kitchens then anyone should be able to. But no, instead a slave economy has been created and the race is underway.