Hard brexit looking more and more likely? Country is truly fecked.
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My office is strictly employing people on contracts for now.
I need to consider my future.
I need to consider my future.
The 2010s will go down as a dark time for British politics.
Tory rebels don't really exist, at the end of the day they will end up banding together to screw over the rest of the country
As of old.
Yeah but if Corbyn comes out against Brexit...
such a waste of time. I pray these two parties collapse and some serious politicians replace them.Grieve is a slimeball. What a bunch of sellouts.
Not any time soon it’s not.
Yeah I don't get this nonsense they keep leading with. Polls consistently show it wouldn't happen.
It may happen but not for another 15-20 years.
Ireland doesn't even fcuking want N.Ireland (neither does England), nevermind what way the vote would go.
Lastest poll I saw had it at 44% for a United Ireland. It's a way off but not impossible if Brexit really hits the shit.
Back in the Lords committee, Sajid Javid says he does not want EU nationals applying for settled status so they can remain in the UK to feel that the government is just doing them a favour. The UK needs these people, he says.
So Brexit wasn't about money because any price is worth paying.
It wasn't about sovereignty because Parliament shouldn't have a say.
It wasn't about the laws because UK judges are the enemies of the people.
Now apparently it isn't about immigration either because the Home Secretary says the UK need these EU nationals.
So Brexit wasn't about money because any price is worth paying.
It wasn't about sovereignty because Parliament shouldn't have a say.
It wasn't about the laws because UK judges are the enemies of the people.
Now apparently it isn't about immigration either because the Home Secretary says the UK need these EU nationals.
I agree that seems to be a realistic timeframe. But to be honest until the last few years i never thought we would see a United Ireland in my lifetime (i'm 36). I think Brexit has definitely changed that and could well be the event that accelerates a United Ireland.
It will still be a tough sell down south though, unless there are agreements for the UK to partly fund NI for a number of years and/or financial support from the EU. On it's own i don't think the Republic could afford to take Northern Ireland as it is.
The area this has the biggest impact voted leave.
That’s only in the event of no deal
How is that possible if they're making their investment decisions this summer? Apologies if it's explained in the full article, I can only see the first part before the paywall.
Just curious why you think that? Because the border issue is unsolvable?
Not necessarily.
But I think Westminster will hang NI out to dry and some will start to question if the unknown is in thier best interest. A process which will take decades.
Similar article in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lans-uk-cuts-amid-fears-of-hard-brexit-impact
But there are only three choices
1. Stay in the EU. 2. Stay in the EU in all but name(ie still in the CU/SM) 3. No Deal
Anyone on either Brexit or Remain who thinks otherwise is living in dreamland. there are no bits to cherry-pick.
Companies will definitely start making decisions by the autumn.
Hope the UK government and May are ready for next week because it's far more crucial than they realise.
Looks like they will be making cuts with a view to binning the while thing if no deal.
Assume you would be happy with option 2 then?
ROI would need to set aside tens of billions to absorb NI. The difference in GDP, GINI, wages, infrastructure etc. is vast and 40% of NI are employed in public service in the UK.
Plus, people always seem to forget that half of the NI consider themselves to be British, not Irish. I mean the football team's national anthem is God Save the Queen.
It simply will not happen. That ship floated a long time ago. NI don't want it, we don't want it.
The current deal has been the best of both world's for the Irish folk of NI and it's likely to be fecked now.
Best of a bad job but what was the point of leaving and will cost more than just staying as they were.
I am purely a spectator but for the benefit of the UK, option 3 is unimaginable and so option 2 should be the only choice to take.
Originally I vaguely expected common sense to prevail but now seems unlikely so the government will go for option 3.
1) Cannot happen.
2) Politically diffucult. Would need massive change in government attitude and emergence of real leadership.
3) Looking likely.
Things are grim.
Agreed.
The major point is whether the government realise that the Transition period is a long way from being agreed and it won't be agreed without NI being resolved.
Despite all their bravado that the EU need the UK more, the UK government are acting as if the Transition period is a done deal. They may discover that's far from the case next week.
Following on from that the EU will be as ready as possible for no deal next March, the UK will not.
Ironic really, considering how many times they parroted the ‘Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed’ line.
I actually don’t think they’re as stupid as they’re appearing, I’m coming around to the idea that there’s a very deliberate hard Brexit strategy underway. When you follow the money, an awful lot of the people around Leave are set to make out like bandits from a hard crash.
The EU is already prepping for no deal. The hope is that the citizens issue can be resolved regardless of that.
At a meeting in Monday, some of our colleagues from London said serious money has started betting on a no deal brexit. Of course they can't name names but when that happens, you know shit has hit the fan. These people don't lose money.
Up until last month, my team leader was confident of a deal. Guess even he knows feck all.
The referendum and subsequently Brexit was started to keep the Tory party in power. To regain the UKIP vote and appeal to Labour voters who have nationalistic tendencies etc and keep their core voters. That has worked well for them so you could say they're not stupid that way.
Unlike Stanley who's trying to blame whoever voted for Cameron in 2015 , the people who voted in the referendum are to blame, they were just conned by the Brexit crew. The Tories banked on the stupidity and xenophobic nature of the electorate.
To think that the EU would cave in to their demands was stupid.
The main instigators of Brexit will all disappear when it all goes wrong but they're not going to lose out like the British public will. The Tories will then blame the people because it was their will.
Yeah. Cameron is a self serving cnut but that referendum would have happened either way. The problem is that the referendum was awfully worded and the debate around it was all wrong.
Even though Miliband said he wouldn't offer one, I think successive governments, (Labour or Tory) would have been under pressure to give one .
Even though Miliband said he wouldn't offer one, I think successive governments, (Labour or Tory) would have been under pressure to give one .
Millions of people have been against the EU and it’s workings for a lot longer than the past 3-4 years. To suggest everyone was conned or are too thick to have an opinion is astoundingly arrogant, extremely unhelpful towards any debate and has probably driven many people in the opposite direction.
Unfortunately this is the default position for the vast majority of media and MP’s who voted remain. It’s no surprise we are where we are
So, it looks like the same Russian naughtiness that got Trump elected may also have been in play to push brexit through too, with Aaron banks and Nigel farage the go between for the Russians. Sick of wankers like that making dirty deals to further their own greed or warped interests ahead of the needs of a country. There should be a Mueller type leading an investigation on this side of the pond too
In true British style they'd appoint a former judge, it'd take 10 years, and they'd just end up classifying anything politically dangerous anyway.
Said the same last week. But it seems our laws are weaker.
Irrespective of outside influence, there were/are some serious underlying causes of the Brexit vote that need to be addressed but wont.
Look at this snake.
I have just written to my local MP
Sir,
You will be aware of the significant aerospace presence in Farnborough and the North East region of Hampshire in general. I run a precision engineering company in the region employing some 40 people. In recent years we have seen significant growth with T/O going from £2.2m in 2011 to £4.5m last year. We manufacture and supply parts predominantly to the aerospace sector and in particular Airbus which accounts for 67% of our turnover. This has been the driver to our growth and we are currently investing in more technology/capacity and would fully anticipate the creation of further jobs.
So clearly todays warning from the COO of Airbus is more than a little disconcerting.
Airbus directly employ 14,000 people in the UK. The wider supply chain – of which we are a part- provides stable jobs for some 117,000 people. We manufacture wings in the UK which is our particular area of expertise. However, this business has long been coveted by the Germans and the French – who are more than able to step up to the plate. Even more worrying is the Chinese, who now manufacture the wings for the A320. They have been extremely agressive touting for more business in recent times.
For a global organisations like Airbus moving entire production facilities is not as daunting as many may think. They are looking 10, 20, 30 years ahead and are more than prepared to make the changes if the economic climate suggests that to be the best course of action.
The UK frittered away its own ability to influence decisions when it sold our 25% stake in Airbus.
Now we have no product of our own in the commercial airliner market - a far cry from being world leaders in the late 20th century.
If Airbus start to pull out of the UK it will be a total disaster. Company’s like mine will not be able to backfill fast enough – even if there was other work to backfill with. We would close and most people here would have difficulty finding work of a similar quality.
Airbus are stating that they are wholly unhappy with the uncertainty regarding the eventual trade deal with the EU and the implications of no customs union. They put out a serious warning to their employees against Brexit before the referendum.
If you ask me, the call of the East is a potent incentive to an organisation like Airbus.
If there is a hidden agenda to move to things that way in the longer term then the UK Government should be pulling out all the stops not to help that along by providing Airbus with ready-made excuses like a hard Brexit with no deal on customs.
I would like to hope that for the benefit of all my employees here, along with the many thousand in this region and, the country as a whole, that you would raise some serious concerns regarding this situation and implore the government to act in the interest of the aerospace industry in the UK.
I think dismissing the Airbus COO’s comments as ‘scare-mongering’ is a risk we take at our peril.
Regards
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Sir,
You will be aware of the significant aerospace presence in Farnborough and the North East region of Hampshire in general. I run a precision engineering company in the region employing some 40 people. In recent years we have seen significant growth with T/O going from £2.2m in 2011 to £4.5m last year. We manufacture and supply parts predominantly to the aerospace sector and in particular Airbus which accounts for 67% of our turnover. This has been the driver to our growth and we are currently investing in more technology/capacity and would fully anticipate the creation of further jobs.
So clearly todays warning from the COO of Airbus is more than a little disconcerting.
Airbus directly employ 14,000 people in the UK. The wider supply chain – of which we are a part- provides stable jobs for some 117,000 people. We manufacture wings in the UK which is our particular area of expertise. However, this business has long been coveted by the Germans and the French – who are more than able to step up to the plate. Even more worrying is the Chinese, who now manufacture the wings for the A320. They have been extremely agressive touting for more business in recent times.
For a global organisations like Airbus moving entire production facilities is not as daunting as many may think. They are looking 10, 20, 30 years ahead and are more than prepared to make the changes if the economic climate suggests that to be the best course of action.
The UK frittered away its own ability to influence decisions when it sold our 25% stake in Airbus.
Now we have no product of our own in the commercial airliner market - a far cry from being world leaders in the late 20th century.
If Airbus start to pull out of the UK it will be a total disaster. Company’s like mine will not be able to backfill fast enough – even if there was other work to backfill with. We would close and most people here would have difficulty finding work of a similar quality.
Airbus are stating that they are wholly unhappy with the uncertainty regarding the eventual trade deal with the EU and the implications of no customs union. They put out a serious warning to their employees against Brexit before the referendum.
If you ask me, the call of the East is a potent incentive to an organisation like Airbus.
If there is a hidden agenda to move to things that way in the longer term then the UK Government should be pulling out all the stops not to help that along by providing Airbus with ready-made excuses like a hard Brexit with no deal on customs.
I would like to hope that for the benefit of all my employees here, along with the many thousand in this region and, the country as a whole, that you would raise some serious concerns regarding this situation and implore the government to act in the interest of the aerospace industry in the UK.
I think dismissing the Airbus COO’s comments as ‘scare-mongering’ is a risk we take at our peril.
Regards
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@Honest John who is your MP?
Ranil Jayawardena - North Hants.
That's just where I work.
My home MP is Caroline Nokes.