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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Surprising how few political fecks have been given.

A major employer has warned about the impact on thousands of jobs as a result of Brexit and from watching Newsnight the day the story broke, neither the government nor the opposition were willing to put up anyone to even discuss it.

Very soon people will be losing their jobs and May's going to be talking about a 'Red white and blue, full-on-Britishy-witishy-Brexit' and Corbyn's going to respond by announcing plans to launch a campaign to save sea turtle. It's comic, almost.

Tories are destroying the country through some hard-right ideological agenda that makes no fecking sense and stands up to feck all reasoning or logic, and Labour are desperately trying to disguise the fact they're happy to look the other way with their "We're only the opposition, wtf do you expect us to do - oppose things?" defence.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
That's not what I said.
If they disagree with me is up to them.
If they believe lies and are conned by those lies then yes they are idiots, if they vote for something which with 100% certainty will damage their lives then yes they are idiots.

The UK is now down to 2 choices voted for by Brexiters now that staying is not really an option.
One is staying in the CU/SM - if Brexiters thought they voted for this - what is intelligent about being exactly the same as before but paying more and having no say in the EU parliament.
Second option is no deal, NI problem, supply chains grind to a halt, not just car parts or aerospace parts, food, medicine, services, travel, logistics, investments, currency , you name it it will be severely disrupted - why would you vote for that.

There still remains this idea that Theresa May will be negotiating for something that is not a cliff edge but Brexit is the cliff edge. Whether she has 5 MPs or 650 MPs it makes no difference.
The EU are waiting for her to choose option one or option two not which bits she would like to keep. This is clearly a problem in the British media whether it be pro-Brexit or pro-Remain media, they still do not explain what is at stake here.
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Look. You still think everyone who voted leave is an idiot and isn’t as good at critical thinking as you. This is a fact. You subsequently believe you are smarter than 17 million people which is hindering your ability to debate properly. Open your eyes a little. I did 18 months ago and it’s far more rewarding
 
Steven Seagull said:
Look. You still think everyone who voted leave is an idiot and isn’t as good at critical thinking as you. This is a fact. You subsequently believe you are smarter than 17 million people which is hindering your ability to debate properly. Open your eyes a little. I did 18 months ago and it’s far more rewarding
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What about his statement is wrong?
 
Steven Seagull said:
Look. You still think everyone who voted leave is an idiot and isn’t as good at critical thinking as you. This is a fact. You subsequently believe you are smarter than 17 million people which is hindering your ability to debate properly. Open your eyes a little. I did 18 months ago and it’s far more rewarding
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I didn't say anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot
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Yes I do believe that everyone who voted Leave is an idiot apart from those who have a vested interest in the UK collapsing economically. I also think people are idiots whether they voted Leave or not who believe that the UK are going to have a wonderful time if they leave with no deal. It's not an opinion - the UK cannot survive economically if they crash out. The 2008 crash will seem like a walk in the park. It's not me who has to open their eyes.

Also if you hadn't noticed the debate about the referendum finished two years ago, the only debate left is whether the UK leave but stay in the CU/SM or whether they crash out. They're leaving, it's just a question of how. The Uk government still think they can cherry pick, they definitely,without question, cannot.
So either they shut up about leaving the CU/SM or leave tomorrow , what are they waiting for, they are going to negotiate what? It is farcical.
 
Steven Seagull said:
The point is he thinks everyone who voted to leave is a moron. This is clearly not the case and 1000 posts repeating the same things isn’t going to change it
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It's clear he thinks those who voted against their own interests because they were duped and too lazy to find out the truth are morons.

I'd agree with that.
 
Steven Seagull said:
The point is he thinks everyone who voted to leave is a moron. This is clearly not the case and 1000 posts repeating the same things isn’t going to change it

And being in a Norway style agreement is not “EU in all but name” at all
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As pointed out numerous times a "Norway" style agreement is not the solution, there are still borders, ask Airbus, BMW ,Jag, and hundreds/thousands of others.
Ask Northern Ireland/Ireland
The UK is a small island with a large population with very few border crossings - if you go back a few pages all this was debated and pointed out where the problems were for the hundredth time and even before the referendum.

The only possible solution to not crashing out is staying in the CU/SM. Can you sense my frustration?
 
Grinner said:
I reckon I'm smarter than at least 17 million brits. It's not an outrageous claim.
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I should fecking hope so simce 0-15 year olds number more than that in the UK population :lol:

Anyone who thinks their government are acting in their best interests even when its not in the said government actors personal interests are fecking morons and deserve what’s coming to them.
 
Steven Seagull said:
The point is he thinks everyone who voted to leave is a moron. This is clearly not the case and 1000 posts repeating the same things isn’t going to change it

And being in a Norway style agreement is not “EU in all but name” at all
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Irrespective of whether or not he's adopting a condescending tone or not, it's remarkable and eye-opening how often Brexiteers resort to talking about stuff like this to deflect away from actual discussion of Brexit itself.

Our two options are to essentially crash out of the CU and SM, which is an impossibility considering the NI issue, or remain in the CU and SM, which allows us to mostly retain our current status but without the benefits of the EU. Neither option is particularly beneficial yet people continue to advocate them all the same. I'm all for remaining polite but I can see why some people despair when this is continually ignored in favour of people being called out for incompatible political stances that don't work in reality.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
As pointed out numerous times a "Norway" style agreement is not the solution, there are still borders, ask Airbus, BMW ,Jag, and hundreds/thousands of others.
Ask Northern Ireland/Ireland
The UK is a small island with a large population with very few border crossings - if you go back a few pages all this was debated and pointed out where the problems were for the hundredth time and even before the referendum.

The only possible solution to not crashing out is staying in the CU/SM. Can you sense my frustration?
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I can sense your frustration Paul but the problem is you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg and lump everyone in the same boat as him. No wonder you are so angry.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
Tell me more
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For a starter, how does the UK function with no agreements in place for anything. Borders closed, nothing in place to cope with that. How many companies would have left by then. Sterling would collapse again.

Some bright spark will say - so will the EU - before they do - the UK effectively will have cut itself off not only from the EU but the rest of the world. The EU would be cut off from one country - the UK. But yep, the EU need the UK more than the UK needs the EU.

Haven't got the energy to complete a 100 page list of all the problems crashing out will cause.
 
Cheesy said:
Irrespective of whether or not he's adopting a condescending tone or not, it's remarkable and eye-opening how often Brexiteers resort to talking about stuff like this to deflect away from actual discussion of Brexit itself.

Our two options are to essentially crash out of the CU and SM, which is an impossibility considering the NI issue, or remain in the CU and SM, which allows us to mostly retain our current status but without the benefits of the EU. Neither option is particularly beneficial yet people continue to advocate them all the same. I'm all for remaining polite but I can see why some people despair when this is continually ignored in favour of people being called out for incompatible political stances that don't work in reality.
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Let’s have a bit of role play. Challenge yourself to name 5 benefits of leaving the EU via a Norway style EEA/EFTA agreement.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
For a starter, how does the UK function with no agreements in place for anything. Borders closed, nothing in place to cope with that. How many companies would have left by then. Sterling would collapse again.

Some bright spark will say - so will the EU - before they do - the UK effectively will have cut itself off not only from the EU but the rest of the world. The EU would be cut off from one country - the UK. But yep, the EU need the UK more than the UK needs the EU.

Haven't got the energy to complete a 100 page list of all the problems crashing out will cause.
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Listen mate yeah, we got our sovereignty back. If you don’t like it then you can feck off somewhere else where you don’t mind foreigners interfering with the shape of your bananas!
 
Steven Seagull said:
I can sense your frustration Paul but the problem is you listen to people like Jacob Rees Mogg and lump everyone in the same boat as him. No wonder you are so angry.
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I don't listen to JRM or Farage or any of those anymore. I'm listening to normal people, as I've said nobody picks apart any arguments . The Uk is sleepwalking into catastrophe.

I'd be angry if my life was damaged by the Leavers, fortunately I'm well out of it. I'm just bewildered at why people cannot see what is so damned obvious, are they putting something in the water in the UK?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
I don't listen to JRM or Farage or any of those anymore. I'm listening to normal people, as I've said nobody picks apart any arguments . The Uk is sleepwalking into catastrophe.

I'd be angry if my life was damaged by the Leavers, fortunately I'm well out of it. I'm just bewildered at why people cannot see what is so damned obvious, are they putting something in the water in the UK?
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Yes you do Paul. You are always lumping the no deal Brexit loons with everybody else. It’s what makes you so angry. I think a lot of people feel differently to what you think they do and it would go a long way if you started thinking about what happens outside the m25 bubble of shite
 
Steven Seagull said:
Let’s have a bit of role play. Challenge yourself to name 5 benefits of leaving the EU via a Norway style EEA/EFTA agreement.
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You won't find 5 benefits and EFTA doesn't match with the UK red lines. Now depending on what you want, not being a member of the EU can allow you to protect some agricultural and natural resources from the free market which depending on your situation can be a good thing.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Yes you do Paul. You are always lumping the no deal Brexit loons with everybody else. It’s what makes you so angry. I think a lot of people feel differently to what you think they do and it would go a long way if you started thinking about what happens outside the m25 bubble of shite
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Of course I realise what happens in the whole of the UK. I don't begrudge people wanting a better life but those people you are referring to are the ones listening to the Brexit loons and they've been convinced that by voting Brexit, their lives are magically going to get better - no-one has yet explained how that can possibly happen and I'm talking a sensible realistic way not fantasy island.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Of course I realise what happens in the whole of the UK. I don't begrudge people wanting a better life but those people you are referring to are the ones listening to the Brexit loons and they've been convinced that by voting Brexit, their lives are magically going to get better - no-one has yet explained how that can possibly happen and I'm talking a sensible realistic way not fantasy island.
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It's pretty much this for me.

I'd like a single brexit voter to tell me what exactly we will gain? All I hear is if we are lucky things might return to normal after a few years of hurt, but what's the point in that?
 
Steven Seagull said:
Let’s have a bit of role play. Challenge yourself to name 5 benefits of leaving the EU via a Norway style EEA/EFTA agreement.
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In what sense? If it's from my perspective as someone who thinks Brexit is daft then it ensures we don't fall off a cliff and that some sort of compromise is made between both sides. But while it's more beneficial than a hard Brexit, it essentially ties us to the EU without benefits of membership.
 
Redlambs said:
It's pretty much this for me.

I'd like a single brexit voter to tell me what exactly we will gain? All I hear is if we are lucky things might return to normal after a few years of hurt, but what's the point in that?
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A Brexit voter will just repeat the nonsense they've been brainwashed into believing by JRM, Farage, Johnson, Fox, et al.
If the UK crash out life will never return to normal. I know I'll be accused of scaremongering.
 
Not everyone who voted leave were idiots. Some were just gullible. But whenever the leave side is pressed as to what happens next the answer always seems to be: "I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"

Where are the trade deals?

"I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"

What happens in the case of 'no deal' Brexit?

"I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"

What happens about the Northern Ireland border?

"I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"

What will happen to immigrants both here and Brits living in the EU?

"I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"

What if the drop off in inward investment continues and masses job loses result from it?

"I don't know exactly but it'll probably work out"


At some point people have to accept that the most important thing to discuss isn't whether people who believed that you could wish these things away by clicking your heels together and saying 'There's no place like the white cliffs of Dover' are right to be offended when others suggest they're a bit thick.
 
Steven Seagull said:
Yes you do Paul. You are always lumping the no deal Brexit loons with everybody else. It’s what makes you so angry. I think a lot of people feel differently to what you think they do and it would go a long way if you started thinking about what happens outside the m25 bubble of shite
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Have you not realized yet? The ‘no deal loons’ are the ones currently winning. It’s looking increasingly likely that we will indeed do the unthinkable and go crashing out of the EU with no deal in place.
 
I've not been following this for a while but just saw that no deal is even money on betfair.

How the feck did we get to this point?
 
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