Good luck. Hope your company remains safe.
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Thanks. Me too.
I dont know what is worse - him admitting Brexit was all a sham or him telling us everything will be rosy.
Yes some people have been against the EU for many years. Farage has been trying to do himself out of a job for the best part of 20 years by telling lie after lie.
Unfortunately for him he succeeded because he never thought enough of the UK electorate would be daft enough to actually believe him. Who the hell voted for UKIP to represent them in the EU, they hardly ever went and stole their salaries and pensions.
It suited the UK government to have a scapegoat for all the problems they have caused especially since 2010.
I have no problem with people having a different opinion. What is idiotic is to believe the lies. If leaving the EU would have even a slim chance of making ones life better then OK.
To believe that the UK is more democratic, that immigrants are not needed, that immigrants are all living off the state, that the government couldn't control immigration including EU immigrants, that the EU impose all the laws and that the UK don't have control of their borders is idiotic.
As I've said there are only those limited choices as there has always been. Brexiters say out is out which means no deal. No deal means catastrophe for the UK, they can't keep any of the bits they like.
Sorry but imo anyone who votes for their lives to be considerably, not a little or short-term, significantly worse off then they are an idiot.
The debate effectively ended two years ago, Brexiters were called idiots from about six months to a year before the referendum, not years ago.
The Uk is in the situation now because nobody to could bothered to find out what really goes on. Ignorance is no excuse whatsoever.
Two years down the line and the same people still believe the same nonsense.
In the event of a no deal there's not a 50% chance the Uk will be OK, there's not a 10% chance, there is 0%. It is not possible.
Who else is to blame for giving you the ref, looking forward to your answer.
No-one else is to blame for giving the referendum but 17.4million lost control of their brains and were sent into a hypnotic trance and had no willpower to stop themselves putting an X in the Leave the EU box. Next year when the shit hits the fan they'll still be saying, it wasn't my fault.
Who else is to blame for giving you the ref, looking forward to your answer.
Why Stanley blame people that elected Cameron? He shouldn't thank them? I thought he was pro-Brexit
What is Brexit done properly?
The UK should leave tomorrow?
UK will be paralysed by Monday.
Stanley is more anti-EU than pro-Brexit
He hates the EU but knows leaving it will be catastrophic.
I've only ever heard a few arguments from 'Leavers' that made me think "yeah ok I appreciate your point and can see why you voted leave but I disagree". Everyone else just rings out the 'Project Fear' line without offering anything.
A decision affecting all of us; and one that although most of them don't want to believe, based on ignorance.
A decision affecting all of us; and one that although most of them don't want to believe, based on ignorance.
Downing Street said the company (Airbus)was “within their rights to communicate how they want to” but said dialogue would continue.
“We are confident that we are going to get a good deal where trade is as free and frictionless as possible, including for the aerospace sector,” the prime minister’s spokeswoman said.
“The UK makes a vital contribution to the success of the European aerospace industry and it is in no one’s interest to disrupt the sector’s cross-border supply chain. We have made good progress. Now we are working towards a full agreement in October and part of that work is listening to businesses.”
Why is the Airbus story such a surprise, everyone knew this long before the referendum. Same for the car industry and just about everything else, why are they only listening to businesses now, three years too late.
It has to be completely frictionless ie staying in the CU/SM, ie not really leaving.
When is the UK going to wake up? When it's too late.
“We are confident that we are going to get a good deal where trade is as free and frictionless as possible, including for the aerospace sector,” the prime minister’s spokeswoman said.
“The UK makes a vital contribution to the success of the European aerospace industry and it is in no one’s interest to disrupt the sector’s cross-border supply chain. We have made good progress. Now we are working towards a full agreement in October and part of that work is listening to businesses.”
Why is the Airbus story such a surprise, everyone knew this long before the referendum. Same for the car industry and just about everything else, why are they only listening to businesses now, three years too late.
It has to be completely frictionless ie staying in the CU/SM, ie not really leaving.
When is the UK going to wake up? When it's too late.
In response of the last tweet, someone suggested that since Airbus employs 14000 people, their departure would mean 14000 jobs lost but that's not close to reality. Companies like Airbus or BMW are the center of an entire industry they provide work to thousands of smaller companies that rely on them. As an example in Toulouse Airbus employs 30000 but the aeronautic employs 146000 people in 1900 companies.
So you don’t think anybody is an idiot unless they disagree with you in which case they are an idiot?
That's not what I said.
If they disagree with me is up to them.
If they believe lies and are conned by those lies then yes they are idiots, if they vote for something which with 100% certainty will damage their lives then yes they are idiots.
The UK is now down to 2 choices voted for by Brexiters now that staying is not really an option.
One is staying in the CU/SM - if Brexiters thought they voted for this - what is intelligent about being exactly the same as before but paying more and having no say in the EU parliament.
Second option is no deal, NI problem, supply chains grind to a halt, not just car parts or aerospace parts, food, medicine, services, travel, logistics, investments, currency , you name it it will be severely disrupted - why would you vote for that.
There still remains this idea that Theresa May will be negotiating for something that is not a cliff edge but Brexit is the cliff edge. Whether she has 5 MPs or 650 MPs it makes no difference.
The EU are waiting for her to choose option one or option two not which bits she would like to keep. This is clearly a problem in the British media whether it be pro-Brexit or pro-Remain media, they still do not explain what is at stake here.
Boris Bing FM is a stain on this nation.
The 'pro-business' Conservative Party everyone.
The entire political system in this country has lost it's head chasing the idiot vote.
The entire political system in this country has lost it's head chasing the idiot vote.
Is there not a case to be brought for criminal derilliction of duty when senior members of parliament show such scant disregard for the damages their policies will do to Britain's business and its citizens. The same level of negligence in Engineering or medicine would see you in court and potentially in jail but certainly banned from ever practicing again.
I know we love to laugh at how ludicrous Boris, Nigel and chums are but they are driving this country over a cliff edge and nobody seems to want them stopping.
Surprised to see that a significant percentage of people protesting are clearly 50+ years.
you think the loss of jobs will be worse than 14000?
I've long thought politicians should be held legally responsible for their policies. It's the only profession I know of where you can enact policy that leads to the direct deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the only accountability is that they might not get voted in next time.
Democracy, they say. I said it previously but some subjects are for specialists, the subjects altered by Brexit are for the most part way too complicated for none specialists, the average jurists would need the support of economists, constitutional/trading law specialists and multiple professionals to give sense and context to a large part of it. And after that you need actual negotiators to build a deal.
Thing is young generation only talks the talk when it comes to actual actions for worse or better it is normally elder people that make the difference.
If Airbus was to actually leave then most of their subcontractors would most likely restructure or die, that's a lot more than 14000 jobs and that's just in aeronautics. In reality you have to take into account all the the services that work for the employees, from restaurants to shops. It's like when mines are closed, it has an impact on everything around it.
This post is just as stupid as those who think only stupid people voted for Brexit.
Good luck John!
Why does nobody challenge this twat to show us what Brexit 'done well' actually looks like and means?
Nobody else can show us what done well looks like so he should either put up or shut up.
it's just a notion and a feeling that we're gonna be alright on the Leave side with no factual basis behind it at all isn't it?
This is the problem, no-one challenges anything in the UK media, oh it's a jolly jape , what a laugh - the country's going to the dogs but nobody must make a fuss or call people out or woe betide call someone an idiot. Stiff upper lip and go down with the ship. Absolutely ludicrous.
Because he's a snake and won't own anything anyway. If you manage to get a definitive statement, any criticism would be labelled as a misrepresentation, and then he'll just go back to making empty, generic statements and keeping track of his bank balance.
To be fair, there is no answer and that's the problem. From the beginning the problem is that some people in the UK misjudged the power balance, triggering art.50 was the entire plan, it was supposed to create panic among EU members who would try everything to keep the UK happy. Remember, German car constructors were supposed to force Merkel's hands and Germany, who controls the EU, was supposed to impose a deal beneficial to the UK.
That won't happen because the media is equally accountable since it backed brexit. However things are slowly changing. For example The daily mail editor has resigned. Most will milk till the end of the circus show and then vanish, probably to europe
Yes, agreed.
Here's another example from today:
Fox, speaking on the second anniversary of the Brexit vote, said it was essential the EU believed Britain was serious about the threat to walk away from negotiations. “I think our negotiating partners would not be wise if they believed that the prime minister was bluffing,” Fox told the BBC. “I think it’s essential as we enter the next phase of the negotiations that the European Union understands that and believes it.”
Did anyone from the BBC point out to Fox that it's the UK who are shooting themselves, not in the foot, but in the head.
If that was really the case then the UK would be investing heavily on setting systems in place such as customs, arranging a deal with wto etc.
I wont be surprised if the Eu delays everything only to offer a take it or leave it deal at the end of this year. The Uk will have to choose between a financial meltdown of epic proportions or signing anything that is thrown at it
But the deal is already there, either the UK remain in the CU/SM, pay what they have to or they leave outright in March.
What the negotiable or rather discussion parts are the citizens rights and the Irish border. If that is resolved the future relationship will be discussed and will be based on the choice the UK makes. The UK have the choice to make now or at the very latest in the autumn.
I know it's hard to think that a government could be this incompetent but I do believe that they are , mixed with a group of self-interested leeches who couldn't give a toss what happens to the country.
A 1% shift in unemployment in the UK amounts to around 350k people. In the last recession the rate went up by ~4%. Maybe we avoid a recession somehow but it is safe to say more than 14k jobs are on the line.
This is different to the financial crisis too. This is a country rich with foreign investors, which we rely on, actively encouraging them to leave.
117,000 jobs would be affected. But that's only Airbus. What about all the other companies who would leave? Plus the ripple effect on the rest of the economy as pointed out by @JPRouve.
Someone, somewhere in the UK will wake up soon.