Fantasy alludes to something desirable, joining the Euro would be a British nightmare.
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Fantasy alludes to something desirable, joining the Euro would be a British nightmare.
What positives?
Housing affordability is an issue in many places but damaging your economy to limit it isn't worth the sacrifice
It depends on your circumstances, as I said. Manufacturing orders are at a 30 year high too, great if you are in that game.
Yep - utter crap. Although in a few years when our economy is in the toilet and we beg to rejoin things might be different.
Manufacturing will be decimated as much of it services Europe. New investment will dry up as well as the alternative of setting up within the EU will make more sense.
Not necessarily, it all depends on what deal can be achieved.
Even if we manage to stay in the trading block the net cost will be more than the current cost of full membership. Madness.
Plus May, Boris and Davis will continue to feck up negotiations.
I beg to differ. Since 1992 every country joining the EU, as part of the accession package, has had to agree to join the Euro. Of the nine that have not yet adopted the Euro only two of them the UK and Denmark negotiated opt out clauses. The remaining 7 are legally bound to adopt the Euro. There has been some acceptance of slowing down given the 2008 crisis but the expectation of the EU is that the remaining 7 will join. Sweden meets the necessary criteria now but has used the deliberate ploy of refusing to join ERMII so that it is able to argue that it does not fulfil the necessary criteria requirements but the pressure is on.
Long term how the deuce can anyone seriously suggest going forward that either Denmark or the UK would be able to maintain their current positions. In theory yep but in practice I very much doubt it.
Leave as is like the last bloke said. I offered 3 posibilities, if the eu dont like that then thats their issue.
When you said you didn't get your information from the Daily Express, this makes things more clear - on the same site
Some examples - "just in" - "Muslims riot in Brussels" this is about Morocco's World Cup qualification over a week ago
or maybe - "Second migrant wave to Europe Immanent" with a picture similar to Farage's famous one - at least you would have thought they could spell imminent
Behind a paywall.
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
Weird, it has gone behind one on mine too now. Professor of applied economics saying that Brexit will make UK manufacturing more profitable.
Why do they need to come up with something we prefer?
They don't, if it's leave as is would they accept that? a free open border? No chance.
No, if everyone is happy to leave as is then talk about summink else.
It can be left as it is if the Uk remain in the customs union, they say they don't want to, it can't be left as it is if the Uk move the goalposts
I'd say it's the other way round. In theory we were supposed to join. In practise it was never going to happen. Has anyone suggested such a thing in the last, what, 15 years? I honestly don't remember reading a single article, or hearing a single speech, that made any reference to the UK joining the euro. I'm not challenging you to dig one out, I'm sure you can if you look hard enough, but this is not any kind of sustained pressure. There was no expectation. Didn't that bullshit renegotiation Cameron did even set in stone that we wouldn't be railroaded into any kind of ever closer union?
I'll tell you what it is, it's Project Fear. "Vote Leave or we'll have to join the euro." it's bollocks.
We can't leave it as it is when we want to end freedom of movement though. How's a UK-border issue being created exclusively by the UK not our problem?
France is one of the countries with an exemption and I have never heard anything that puts that into question. Never.
Sorry, I'm being dumb I'm sure, what has France for an exemption from? Aren't we talking about the euro?
Yes, a part of the territory doesn't use the Euro, French Polynesia. It's an interesting trivia because it's never mentioned, in France we technically have two currencies the Euro and the Franc Pacific.
Wow. You learn something new every day.
Really interesting, didn't know that.
Also, the dutch side of Saint-Martin uses the Guilder not the Euro.
Apart from not legally having to adopt the Euro, the UK don't meet the criteria to be able to join the Euro even if they wanted to.
The likes of Greece didn't either. And some that did then have broken the rules since. Then again, who cares.
For sure, the only ones who care are those using this as one of the pretences for leaving.
Better leave before we do meet the criteria
Quite.
If the UK does jump off the cliff they'll probably wish they had joined the Euro.
Dealing with the easy part first. Whilst this is true what you so conveniently fail to say is that the only reason for this is because the currency of French Polynesia is permanently fixed against the Euro.
Now this I really take umbrage with. Merely because I am actually in favour of the UK remaining in the EU. Thing is I never believed that all of the lies and untruths were being told by those advocating leave. The majority of the views expressed on this board only reinforce my view that there are just as many 'remainers' quite willing to peddle half truths and downright lies.
The expectation of the EU has always been that all countries would join the Euro and that the UK and Denmarks opt outs were only ever viewed as temporary. In the case of the UK black wednesday made our politicians rightly cautious. The collapse of economies in 2008 only reinforced our view that monetary union was at best unwise and that there ought to be a slowdown on further integration. The EU actually took and still takes the opposite view. The Greek experience for example has convinced them that without further political and economic integration the same might happen in the future. Personally I think they are right and that the EU's aim for all countries to adopt the Euro, for fiscal policy to be set centrally, for there to be a European army etc is not only sensible but almost a prerequisite if Europe is to have a real voice in years to come. Unless it happens then I am sure that long term the Union has no viable future.
If you really think its pie in the sky and will not happen then I respectfully suggest that you are just as misguided and ill informed as those in favour of leaving that you evidently despise.
Sorry, I thought it was you that mentioned it. Now it's got to us wanting to join the Euro the conversation's got a bit too bizarre for me, I'll try again tomorrow. Still, at least you didn't say begging, which seems to have come back in vogue again, even without devilish.
The greater issue is that an open border on one side will be vulnerable to what essentially amounts to goods smuggling. If tariffs are to be applied or standards diverge then having no customs checks will leave both sides exposed. Something I doubt the EU are likely to agree to.
Yeah my post was assuming there being tariff free trade post UK leaving.
Joke, ho ho ha ha, remember what it used to be like
That's a decision between France and French Polynesia not the EU, the Francs Pacifique had a fixed change against the Franc and the latter doesn't exist anymore. It could have been fixed against the Dollar or the Pound Sterling but it would have been a weird one.
It might be an ideal for the EU in a general sense but it is pie in the sky in any meaningful sense. Even if we didn't leave we woudn't adopt the Euro in any meaningful time scale. The same goes for an EU army. Personally I'm for both in a general sense.
Why are you for the Euro? Aren't the UK in a better position with the Pound Sterling?
Ideally the EU would have liked the UK to join the Euro but would not and have never been forced to do so.
The other points I don't disagree with you.
I don't despise those in favour of leaving, I would if it was going to seriously damage my life, personally and selfishly it will be a small advantage.
I just think they are incredibly foolish.