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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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The Outsider said:
This can only be solved with the EU, the EU are adamant there needs to be a hard border, if we have Brexit.
This might be turned around to Ireland, then you need to join us out of the EU.
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No the solution has to come from the UK. They decided to leave, they can't just say right we're off , we don't know what to do but we leave you with the problem. They caused it, they have to sort it out.
Of course if FoM continues and the UK remains in the single market and the customs union then problem solved - I wonder what is going to happen....
 
The Outsider said:
This can only be solved with the EU, the EU are adamant there needs to be a hard border, if we have Brexit.
This might be turned around to Ireland, then you need to join us out of the EU.
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Like feck will that happen.

A push towards a United Ireland within the EU is more likely than the Republic willingly joining the UK on the outside.
 
My understanding is 80% of Ireland's trade is with the UK, that certainly gives us leverage.
 
The Outsider said:
This can only be solved with the EU, the EU are adamant there needs to be a hard border, if we have Brexit.
This might be turned around to Ireland, then you need to join us out of the EU.
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So it's the EU's fault, if you decided to leave? Is it the EU who claimed that they wanted to take back control of their borders? And how the EU are supposed to have an open border with a country that isn't in the same custom area?
 
The Outsider said:
My understanding is 80% of Ireland's trade is with the UK, that certainly gives us leverage.
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Leverage in what?

Anyway, as of July the UK was Ireland's third biggest trading partner in terms of two-way good and services. The rest of the EU accounts for nearly twice as much as the UK and the US is in second.
 
sullydnl said:
Leverage in what?

Anyway, as of July the UK was Ireland's third biggest trading partner in terms of two-way good and services. The rest of the EU accounts for nearly twice as much as the UK and the US is in second.
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Come one Sully, they have leverage to force you to join the UK.:D
 
sullydnl said:
Well NI remains part of the UK, the Republic remains part of the EU and the expressed attitude of the Rebublic's taoiseach towards the border issue is "the UK brought this problem about by voting for Brexit, it's up to them to come up with a workable solution". So no, shifting responsibility onto the two Irelands isn't going to work.
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If that's the most constructive solution he can offer, then I'd turn it round and say ' You chose to leave the UK - as much a problem for you as us '....


JPRouve said:
So it's the EU's fault, if you decided to leave? Is it the EU who claimed that they wanted to take back control of their borders? And how the EU are supposed to have an open border with a country that isn't in the same custom area?
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So the EU are more concerned about contaband and 'illegals' crossing the border into Ireland than the UK is concerned about contraband and 'illegals' crossing the border into the UK ?

Now there's a new angle on how things will eventually unfold - but the EU are not protectionist, scared of the consequences, racist, of course....


And then back to Paul ( who is usually a voice of reason instead of childish bolleaux ) with his concerns -

Paul the Wolf said:
You've been listening to Farage too much.

See we're still in the EU needs the Uk more than the other way round territory.
The UK will leave in name only in 2019 or fall off the cliff, up to the Uk what they want.

Not only is Northern Ireland part of the UK and is the Uk government's responsibility but please remember that the UK have caused this problem, no-one else, not the EU and not Ireland.
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No...You misunderstand me....I said

How long before the UK finally disentangles itself from the EU depends entirely on the EU - so maybe 2019 if they feel they don't need the UK any more, or maybe 2050 if they find out they need the UK's market and consumers to avoid their own repercussions of ' NO deal is better than a bad deal '

The ' No Deal is better than a bad deal ' scenario applies to the EU as well.....They'll choose the best option / time to suit themselves.

Should that worry the UK ? I wouldn't worry about it because there's absolutley nothing the UK can do about it - so don't waste time worrying about it anyway....

And can I join you in one of your ' hands - up '....

I wonder how many anti-Brexiteers who post on here are going to leave the UK to go live in the EU before March 2019 ?

Just to remind you - there are four of us who live in post-Brexit EU land ( Paul, Stanley, Kentonio and myself ) and the score is currently 2 -2.....

 
Full bodied red said:
So the EU are more concerned about contaband and 'illegals' crossing the border into Ireland than the UK is concerned about contraband and 'illegals' crossing the border into the UK ?

Now there's a new angle on how things will eventually unfold - but the EU are not protectionist, scared of the consequences, racist, of course....
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Are you stupid or you do it on purpose? Only the UK has a problem here, if you want an open border you will have to respect every rules made by the EU without opening your mouth, if you don't like that close the border, the decision is yours.
 
JPRouve said:
Are you stupid or you do it on purpose? Only the UK has a problem here, if you want an open border you will have to respect every rules made by the EU without opening your mouth, if you don't like that close the border, the decision is yours.
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Please....No personal insults....Just an answer is sufficient.
 
Full bodied red said:
2019....2025....2035....2050....??

The UK will leave in 2019. That is certain.

How long before the UK finally disentangles itself from the EU depends entirely on the EU - so maybe 2019 if they feel they don't need the UK any more, or maybe 2050 if they find out they need the UK's market and consumers to avoid their own repercussions of ' NO deal is better than a bad deal '

As for the Irish border problem - why not leave it to the two Irelands to sort it out between themselves, or is that too obvious ?
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That's the stupidest sentence in this thread since it was opened, well done!
 
JPRouve said:
That's not an insult that's a genuine question, just read your last posts. I'm sorry if it's not pleasant but there is a limit.
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But that's why I hate the EU.

The UK and the Republic - who have had their own agreements for years about immigration into each others' countries - are both EU members, both need a solution, but the EU and its rules takes precedence....
 
Full bodied red said:
If that's the most constructive solution he can offer, then I'd turn it round and say ' You chose to leave the UK - as much a problem for you as us '....
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The whole point is that it isn't his responsibility to come up with a solution. Ireland didn't vote for this, it's a set of problems the UK has inflicted upon them. The Irish government specifically said it was a bad idea and wouldn't work but were ignored. Which in a way is fine, except you can't then shift responsibility for figuring out a way to make it work onto them. That's the UK's job as they're the ones who apparently do think it can work.
 
Full bodied red said:
But that's why I hate the EU.

The UK and the Republic - who have had their own agreements for years about immigration into each others' countries - are both EU members, both need a solution, but the EU and its rules takes precedence....
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Err, the UK isn't going to be an EU member anymore.

If your wife decided to get divorced would you want it to be you or her who had to process all the papers and deal with the repercussions?
 
Full bodied red said:
Happily for some....Sadly for others....

But will be for the next 18 months or so while the problem needs to be sorted....
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Yeah and they UK should sort it cause they caused the problem. It's quite hilarious that you blame the EU for sticking to their rules on this. Of course they'll stick to their rules, they didn't vote to change any of them. The UK did. They voted out knowing that the border would have to be dealt with if they did.

But hey, your silly British mentality of "blame the EU, not us" caused this whole thing, so why would that change now.
 
Full bodied red said:
But that's why I hate the EU.

The UK and the Republic - who have had their own agreements for years about immigration into each others' countries - are both EU members, both need a solution, but the EU and its rules takes precedence....
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FFS, the entire point is that you are leaving the EU which changes your relationship with the Republic of Ireland, they are in an other economical and political block, a block that you are leaving, you need to redefine your relationship with them and their block.

At this point we shouldn't have to explain these things.
 
Full bodied red said:
No...You misunderstand me....I said

How long before the UK finally disentangles itself from the EU depends entirely on the EU - so maybe 2019 if they feel they don't need the UK any more, or maybe 2050 if they find out they need the UK's market and consumers to avoid their own repercussions of ' NO deal is better than a bad deal '

The ' No Deal is better than a bad deal ' scenario applies to the EU as well.....They'll choose the best option / time to suit themselves.

Should that worry the UK ? I wouldn't worry about it because there's absolutley nothing the UK can do about it - so don't waste time worrying about it anyway....

And can I join you in one of your ' hands - up '....

I wonder how many anti-Brexiteers who post on here are going to leave the UK to go live in the EU before March 2019 ?

Just to remind you - there are four of us who live in post-Brexit EU land ( Paul, Stanley, Kentonio and myself ) and the score is currently 2 -2.....
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Yes the terms will be dictated by the EU because they hold all the cards. The Uk have a few jokers, mind - I believe it will 2019 ( fully) or never .

I didn't know it was match - I'm not concerned about us in the EU , those of us who don't like the EU can return to the UK to be out of it if they so wish - it's those in the UK that should be concerned if the UK goes for the cliff edge.
 
JPRouve said:
FFS, the entire point is that you are leaving the EU which changes your relationship with the Republic of Ireland, they are in an other economical and political block, a block that you are leaving, you need to redefine your relationship with them and their block.

At this point we shouldn't have to explain these things.
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You've made your point....Thank You....
 
Massive Spanner said:
Get out of here you with your facts and correct statements. No place for that sort of thing at all.
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To make it a bit less bitchy, I will add a couple of things. These are some of the problems to fix:

- Who can cross the border and how? (1)
- What can cross the border and how? (2)
- In case of trouble which jurisdiction is in charge and how? (3)

(1) The UK don't want FOM, so at best only Irish nationals would be allowed to cross, the problem for the UK and the Irelands is to put in place a checking procedure.
(2) Since the UK said that they wanted out of the custom Union and unless a trade deal is signed, no goods shall/can cross the border freely.
(3) Since the UK wants to avoid the ECJ, we have a huge problem.
 
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JPRouve said:
To make it a bit less bitchy, I will add a couple of things. These are some of the problems to fix:

- Who can cross the border and how? (1)
- What can cross the border and how? (2)
- In case of trouble which jurisdiction is in charge and how? (3)

(1) The UK don't want FOM, so at best only Iriish nationals would be allowed to cross, the problem for the UK and the Irelands is to put in place a checking procedure.
(2) Since the UK said that they wanted out of the custom Union and unless a trade deal is signed, no goods shall/can cross the border freely.
(3) Since the UK wants to avoid the ECJ, we have a huge problem.
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You've forgotten those Brits trying to sneak out the back way into the EU;)
 
Paul the Wolf said:
You've forgotten those Brits trying to sneak out the back way into the EU;)
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They are among the "troubles", like a french or greek trying to sneak into the UK in order to attend a PL game.;)
 
JPRouve said:
So it's the EU's fault, if you decided to leave? Is it the EU who claimed that they wanted to take back control of their borders? And how the EU are supposed to have an open border with a country that isn't in the same custom area?
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What do the eu want with that border? Let us know.

Based on recent history its barbed wire fences.

The eu doesnt know what the feck it wants from the eu, let alone what it expects from brexit.

It really is the shittest club ever.
 
Stanley Road said:
What do the eu want with that border? Let us know.

Based on recent history its barbed wire fences.

The eu doesnt know what the feck it wants from the eu, let alone what it expects from brexit.

It really is the shittest club ever.
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The EU wants what is currently the border but it can't happen because the UK wants something different.
 
Stanley Road said:
Havent read that statement. Sounds like another 'ball in your court' eu cop out.
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Remind me what is the proposition from the UK? They are the ones against FOM, they are the ones leaving the custom Union and they are ones cutting the Island in half. They are the ones who should have thought about a way to reconcile their issues with this one.

The cop out isn't on the EU side.
 
JPRouve said:
Remind me what is the proposition from the UK? They are the ones against FOM, they are the ones leaving the custom Union and they are ones cutting the Island in half. They are the ones who should have thought about a way to reconcile their issues with this one.

The cop out isn't on the EU side.
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Obliging the wish of the Irish i expect. Ffs, is that not more important?
 
JPRouve said:
Is it me or does it look like what you and I among others suggested? "The UK can charge customs duty on goods(including on goods coming from the EU)."

This point was supposed to be a knock against the vindictive EU.
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If they don't remain in the single market /customs union they have to negotiate a new set of tariffs with the WTO which will mean duties , VAT and so on with the EU - looks like an advert to join the EU.

By looking quickly at that paper they seem to have forgotten that they gave up their place with the WTO in 1973 when they joined the EEC and are members only because they are part of the EU and have to re-negotiate their WTO status - I've only skimmed through it but surely they can't be this stupid.
 
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