Pretty much exactly that. And that (introducing something similar in the UK) would only be natural. The problem here for a country like GB (as for any highly developed country, like Germany as well) is the folllowing: from a strictly selfish point of view, you want foreign people to study in your country. Because basically, you gain talent with a certain level of education that might decide to stay in your country. Those people are easily integrated, have an easy time finding a job and are, predominantly, young. You want those people, you need those people. UK maybe less than Germany, but still. Losing an advantage here is bad.
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Pretty much exactly that. And that (introducing something similar in the UK) would only be natural. The problem here for a country like GB (as for any highly developed country, like Germany as well) is the folllowing: from a strictly selfish point of view, you want foreign people to study in your country. Because basically, you gain talent with a certain level of education that might decide to stay in your country. Those people are easily integrated, have an easy time finding a job and are, predominantly, young. You want those people, you need those people. UK maybe less than Germany, but still. Losing an advantage here is bad.
I'm pretty sure academic institutions in the EU recognise Chinese degrees usa degrees etc and that they will be happy to take post grads based on talent from the UK as well...
And equally I don't see our universities not recognising degrees from the EU...
It is of course quite probable there could be visa requirements for students but that would be a government decision
I wasn't even made aware of ERASMUS when I finished my A Levels 14 years or so ago - no wonder the take up was so poor in the UK if it wasn't offered.
Given the choice I would have definitely studied in Europe.
Given the choice I would have definitely studied in Europe.
I don't know much about other Universities but if I'm not mistaken mine doesn't recognise other degrees(out of ECTS), everything is done on a case by case basis. IIRC they are also out of Erasmus but have partnerships with some foreign Universities.
Thank you.
As you have pointed out previously I am getting on in years and so it could be said I have no interest in the future. That's not true I have two fantastic grandchildren one who will not be going to University, at least not right away, he has other things to do, but his sister will definitely be going (based on her academic record so far). So I consider I have a vested interest in the future.
As far as I can remember throughout my life time, those who were capable, who had the right spirit of adventure and someone to 'foot the bill', travelled and studied all around Europe and further afield, academic achievement where ever it was gained being recognised, specifically where the nature and the level of a degree were, well almost considered universal; eventually acceptance of vocational as well as other more academic degrees was not any longer an issue, as far as I was aware. Its true that projects like Erasmus and the link to things like ETCS have increased or widened the boundaries in terms of elements of degrees and access (via equivalency) and contributors such as Britain only had themselves to blame if not enough British students took advantage of such projects, when they could!
The irony may well turn out to be that Britain, on its own outside the EU, will need its brightest and best to travel and study abroad, but then return and now more than ever that should concentrate the minds of future British Governments in the policies and strategies they adopt. I believe (no pun intended) that once the money has been sorted out and the 'ruffled feathers' smoothed Britain will continue to work in harmony with its European neighbours, but under its own steam and with both Britain and the EU following their chosen paths. I would expect education both inside the EU and in Britain will begin to flourish, because Brexit will have forced a new reality, on both sides.
You people scare me.
Theresa May under pressure over ‘secret advice’ on halting Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/07/theresa-may-secret-advice-brexit-eu
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/07/theresa-may-secret-advice-brexit-eu
Frighten easily do you?
There is a comma missing it should have read "and 'ruffled feathers' smoothed, Britain will continue to work... etc.
Both sides have had their feathers ruffled, the dialogue Barnier and Davis use, in public at least, indicates that, but each side know its in both their interests to make things work.
Why, unless you are of a particular nervous disposition, should that be scary?
Oh, I am not nervous, I do not leave in Britain.
Anyway...your problem. Or your final solution for some (not saying you)
Then you have nothing to worry or be scared about, do you?
So, it's been a pointless exchange of posts really!
So how long till the EU decide sufficient progress has not been made and they wont discuss trade talks - is that at the end of this month?
Probably accompanied by a 5%-10% fall in the pound - all the remainers (remoners) saying i told you so (we are not going to get a good deal) - and all the brexiters (racists) saying I told you so (the EU is trying to punish us)
I guess the only real questions is how long after May has to resign - days or can she cling on for a couple of weeks
Probably accompanied by a 5%-10% fall in the pound - all the remainers (remoners) saying i told you so (we are not going to get a good deal) - and all the brexiters (racists) saying I told you so (the EU is trying to punish us)
I guess the only real questions is how long after May has to resign - days or can she cling on for a couple of weeks
The main thing she has going for her is that no one else seems to want the job yet. Looks like the successors have decided it's best to wait until after Brexit has been an obvious failure, then pouncing.
Will be days, even she knows shes been a disaster. Whoever replaces her could end up deciding the future of the country.
Past ten years. "We should leave because we would get a sweet bespoke deal".
Now: "We should leave because the EU are tyrants and they're trying to punish us".
Now: "We should leave because the EU are tyrants and they're trying to punish us".
I think Farage said leave and watch all the German business leaders stampede to Merkel and co to give Britain a good deal, to avoid tariffs.
I believe the delay is down to the City interest and trying to give them a soft landing. The same interest via the Banking crisis that massively pushed up our national debt.
I believe the delay is down to the City interest and trying to give them a soft landing. The same interest via the Banking crisis that massively pushed up our national debt.
I think you are right, the 'moneymen' are in control now, it will all boil down to money, the amounts and who runs the show?
May and even Boris will go where they are pushed, the EU has to get its act together and present a defined bill, unfortunately it has no idea what they think we owe them, so they have been picking figures out of the air, £60B, £90B. £100B+, which Davis keeps swatting back with a 'show me how you get to that figure' and of course they can't... I think it will go to penalties, after extra time (transition period), by then the soft landing will have been negotiated under the counter, so to speak.
Over the next ten years: "Which idiot thought leaving the EU was a good idea?"
Not you Paul, you are in the clear mate, relax and have some cognac!
Any deal, 'sweet' or otherwise, will have nothing to do with you, like Pilot you have washed hands of it all, in public, no one will be able to blame you, not even after two thousand years, you will be still able to claim you were in 'Bexit denial'.
I'm perfectly relaxed, see Davis didn't bother going to Brussels today. Waiting for the next episode of the farce
We wait and we wait, what brilliant idea is he going to come up with next. Surely a Brexiteer must have a solution to the Irish border problem, seemingly not , didn't think about that, did they? No the EU have to be creative and imaginative because the Uk have not got a clue what to do.
The Uk leaves the EU in name only in 2019 - in an earlier thread I suggested 2025 when they actually leave, I think that may now be too optimistic.
Im not convinced a "transition deal" will be in place by 2019 so perhaps we will actually leave then...
probably followed a few months after with a hasty (and badly drawn up) transition deal that we will probably never leave as it eventually becomes morphs into whatever new relationship we have - 2025 actually sounds sounds too optimistic to me as well
I don't see how a transitional deal can be done by then either, remembering also that the EU wants 6 months from the end of negotiations to put it to the 27 other members which means by this time next year - so far 16 months after the referendum and not counting the time before the referendum to come up with a plan, the best the Uk government has come up with is, "Cake and Eat It" or "We don't know, the EU have to be creative and imaginative"
2019....2025....2035....2050....??
The UK will leave in 2019. That is certain.
How long before the UK finally disentangles itself from the EU depends entirely on the EU - so maybe 2019 if they feel they don't need the UK any more, or maybe 2050 if they find out they need the UK's market and consumers to avoid their own repercussions of ' NO deal is better than a bad deal '
As for the Irish border problem - why not leave it to the two Irelands to sort it out between themselves, or is that too obvious ?
I'm looking for work just now and a lot of investment banks are looking for process re-engineering as though they are going to split processes and move parts to Europe. Perhaps after the industry bigwigs say sorted, we will come out as I just can't see 27 countries most of which want money are never all going to agree with what we want!
indeed - I also suspect that at the end of the month they will say we have not made sufficient progress on key issues (Irish border for example) to start trade talks - so again that will compress the time to put a trade deal in place even further (and its already very compressed)... perhaps the only "transition deal" possible would be to go to EEA terms as they are already existing?
You've been listening to Farage too much.
See we're still in the EU needs the Uk more than the other way round territory.
The UK will leave in name only in 2019 or fall off the cliff, up to the Uk what they want.
Not only is Northern Ireland part of the UK and is the Uk government's responsibility but please remember that the UK have caused this problem, no-one else, not the EU and not Ireland.
Mmm... me thinks you protests too much, it doesn't seem that way from your posts Paul. Bexit is an itch you shouldn't scratch, but perhaps you can't help it?
Yes, he's waiting for the EU's next set of Fantasy figures, probably thinks he might as well will wait until they appear on his phone and then text his by now favourite reply saying 'show me how you got to that figure'!
No, think its the EU's turn to blink, sorry 'think' 'now! You know, 'back and forth', 'to and fro', 'your turn, my turn', etc.
The Irish Border problem will only be solved when there is a United Ireland and that looks to be even further away than ever, with no Stormont sitting and the Irish State wondering where its going to place all the immigrants Frau Merkel is going to insist they take, can't see much headway on that one at all!
Although it pains me to say it Paul, you maybe nearer than you think to how the actual situation might play out.
As I've mentioned in another recent post, it will IMO all come down to the 'moneymen' getting their 'soft-landing' and how and when Theresa will fall on her sword? For not only is Brexit the issue now, its also the whole future of the Conservative party and how much, if there is to be a GE as a result, 'comrade' Jeremy is prepared to moderate some of his 'nationalise everything' stance.
Everything is on a knife edge, the EU have to close down the 'lets kick Britain' rhetoric, the divorce bill has to be itemised and in public, Farage has to be kept busy abroad (See Trump could come in useful after all!) Jeremy after looking semi-electable, has to now grasp the nettle, ditch some of the dogma on Nationalisation, even if it means falling out with the Greens and be prepared to promote some other more acceptable faces in his party, in order to calm the children and not frighten the horses in the rural shires.
The Scots Nationalist will have to stay north of the border and above all quiet, hard for Ms Sturgeon, but do-able if they try! Wales will go back to Labour if the above happens, the big problem will be as you've said above, the Irish Border! However since this has been a problem for well over a century now, some way, convoluted maybe, will be found, or it will be kicked into the long grass, once again. (Probably as Spain looks to do with Catalonia!).
Its a sort of 'Russian roulette' but with only one chamber in the gun empty! It goes without saying that is the one we have to find, on the first spin, hopefully!
You don't see why the two Irelands have a problem that goes beyond themselves? You don't understand that their borders are also the UK and the EU borders?
I said is scary, not that I am scared. But yes, pointless like Brexit for the true reasons it was triggered
Sorry , you're way off on the first one - Brexit is a ridiculous idea imo and am intrigued how it will be solved - it is also highly amusing from a detached point of view. Always think and act with your head, not emotionally.
Apart from anything else I'm like a dog with a bone, I'll not let go until the end and I fear this has got many years to run. I must admit I shouldn't have got involved in the first place but then again I would have missed all the fun.
What seems to worry Brexiters is that they have not been told personally how much the amount is - remember Theresa May said she did not want to reveal anything of the negotiations and the EU agreed not to reveal anything without both sides' agreement.
Until the Irish Border problem is solved, the talks are going nowhere, ergo....
May will be there as long as it suits the Tories, who replaces her eventually, no-one knows, as bad as she is , there is no person who is obviously better and that includes Corbyn.
Already had one GE since the referendum, as predicted. Could be a regular occurrence over the next few years.
Would guess that what's worrying the Tories the most is how do we explain this mess to the angry mob.
From the EU's point of view, the ideal situation would be for the Uk to leave , have no MEPs but continue to pay their subs , still have the 4 freedoms and get no rebates and trade goes on as before. At this moment it looks between a choice of that or a cliff-edge for the UK.
The EU would be called a bully but remember the EU needs the UK more, or do they..
The problem is that uncertainty is going to carry on for some considerable time which is affecting banks, industry , etc , they don't know what to do. Imo money is not the most important issue here - out of three issues currently holding up the talks, money is the least important - but having said that the EU are not going to let the UK off the hook and can't be seen to let them off the hook. The amounts quoted by the press may seem large but are rather insignificant in the long term view.
Theresa May is absolutely fecking shite.
Sorry don't think so, you admit 'dog with a bone' etc! an itch you can't scratch, very annoying!
Again sorry Paul, it would only worry brexiteers if the EU could come up with a figure that they can justify, then they could just say to Britain there it is £x amount owed, take it or leave it! However since we know they can't come up with a figure the game is still on, its still a negotiation, everything is still in play, they are kidding nobody!
Sorry yet again Paul, everyone knows the Irish border problem won't be solved until there is no border and that is light years away, eons even! So either the Brexit talks finish now and we leave as planned 2019, or everyone continues to trundle on seeking other solutions to other problems that can be solved. The fact we are still talking, means the long grass has already been decided as the temporary 'park-up spot' for the Irish border issues.
What if Theresa herself decided to go, saying "you ungrateful swine... I'm off to walk the mountain trails in Switzerland"?
Of course she might try a John Major 'put up or shut up' speech, what response do you think she would get, for example would those two Europhiles Heseltine and Clarke crawl back under their stones, or do as they did when Maggie threatened to refuse to sign the EEC treaty and there by see us tumble out of the club, would they again be tempted to get out the long knives?
What about VC the 'forgotten' man leading the Liberals, surely he is the most outwardly pro-EU in all our senior politicians, wouldn't he lead the charge against Brexit laden Theresa, or even Boris?
Hah, hah.. after they faced down the Miners! Don't think so, do you? Seriously?
I would say Amen to that! no ifs, no buts, no maybe's, once free of each other we can talk sensibly... sorry, no ones about to believe that!
Not half.
In one speech she says we must take control of the borders. At the same time, she insists that there must be no border controls on the only land border we have.
Thats idiocy.
So is saying she wants to stop all free movement in 2019 AND stay in the single market during a transition period.
You can't have single market without free movement, She has been told that since day one.
Not sure which is more concerning, that she is blatantly lying on issues of such importance, or that she actually believes what she says,
Yeah, it's basic, basic stuff. The process itself is complex but that part is simple. It's clear she wants to appease Brexiteers who desire an end to free movement while doing as little as possible to disrupt our current predicament.
Well NI remains part of the UK, the Republic remains part of the EU and the expressed attitude of the Rebublic's taoiseach towards the border issue is "the UK brought this problem about by voting for Brexit, it's up to them to come up with a workable solution". So no, shifting responsibility onto the two Irelands isn't going to work.
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Think what you like, I've no idea why, though.
Theresa May playing in goal for Chelsea would make more sense than Brexit but I'm sure I would throw in my penny worth of opinion in to the debate.
You think the EU haven't got a figure because they haven't told you, Ok fine - of course they'll be negotiations because the Uk want to pay as little as possible but Theresa's already said she will pay what the UK have committed to - problem is she has to tell the angry mob what that figure is.
The Irish border has to be solved, there is no alternative.
As I said May will be there as long as she is needed to take the blame - no-one else dares risk their future at the moment. Liberals are a non-entity.
As far as I remember there weren't 17.4million miners.
This can only be solved with the EU, the EU are adamant there needs to be a hard border, if we have Brexit.
This might be turned around to Ireland, then you need to join us out of the EU.