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[Bury Red]

Leaving the EU will at worst be neutral in its effect on damaging young peoples chances, thousand of bright young students from all over Europe come to Britain because of the poor prospects in their own countries, there is large scale unemployment in many EU countries especially the Southern countries. These students will be welcomed after Brexit, in fact even more might be encouraged to come and there will be absolutely nothing to stop British students studying and working in the EU, I'm sure many countries in the EU would welcome people with the right skills and fluent in the business language of the EU (of course when we're gone they may change it!)

Are you on a wind up or do you genuinely believe the drivel you come out with?

What Brexit will mean for english, welsh & NI students is that they will be stuck with a University education in our Universities complete with £9k+ tuition fees per year gaining interest at 4-5% over the basic lending rate. Any option to study elsewhere will be at the discretion of the foreign Uni and will be at their full tuition rates although those would still be cheaper than the UK ones.

Leaving or remaining won't drastically affect the poor sods already lumbered with student loans however their reduced salaries and career prospects as a knock on effect of Brexit will certainly make it harder for them to ever pay them off as they flip their burgers.

These foreign bright young things you talk so fondly of will still be welcomed in their droves post Brexit I am sure (we all know how much you Brexiters love a foreigner) although why they would pick the UK once their fees increase from their presently subsidised levels similar to their home institutions to rise to full foreign fees typically somewhere between £12k and £35k. I suspect the number of EU students enrolling in the UK will plummet, heading instead to Ireland if it's English language that matters or France or Germany otherwise. As a result the UK institutions will struggle even further for funding and in such instances they usually respond by flogging overpriced paid places to students from lower grade Unis in India or Africa who have no chance of passing, who will hinder the students around them but who have parents with deep pockets who still see some prestige in their kids attending a UK Uni.

Post Brexit once freedom of movement ends we will be kicked out of the ERASMUS scheme (just as Switzerland were in 2015) making our students ineligible for the shorter EU sandwich courses as part of their normal degree, a scheme I graduated from over 25 years ago which has led to me working all over the world for French and multinational companies. Similarly the millions of European students who took ERASMUS modules in the UK and learned English helping to make it the lingua france of European business will be blocked from entering so the next generation will instead be learning German, French, Spanish or Italian instead.

 

[I Believe]

More likely, the EU have no idea what the post-BREXIT costs are to be picked up by the UK, so are just playing poker.

Very true, the EU has little idea of most of its true costs, otherwise why would they go on sanctioning the movement of the commission and parliament between Strasborg and Brussels, which is a complete waste of time and money! Perhaps they do know, but since independent audits are not carried out, only those by the EU's own Court of Auditors, they cannot be sure?

The EU's poker hand is quite simple we know what it is, ever card is a big stick, to beat us with if we don't do exactly what they say and also be seen to lap up our punishment with our traditional 'stiff upper lip'..."Head up, back straight and bags of swank" is what they are hoping for!

 

[I Believe]

Any option to study elsewhere will be at the discretion of the foreign Uni and will be at their full tuition rates although those would still be cheaper than the UK ones

So you are expecting these foreign Universities will turn away our students will they? Even if as you predict the tuition costs will be less than in Britain? If that is the case I would imagine droves of British Students will be heading over to the EU, even if they have to get visas.
However if I've understood you correctly by Britain leaving the EU, all EU Universities will bar British students as a punishment... don't think its me whose talking drivel son!

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Oh so the EU will still want to trade with us will they? And there's me judging by lots of posts on here, yours included, that the EU will want nothing to do with us after we've left?
Soon changed your tune Paul, or perhaps you were you holding the hymn sheet upside down?

It's the Brexiters who are claiming the EU is the big bully - of course there will be trade between the two, just that it won't be on the UK's terms. Either the UK continues to pays its subs and accepts the 4 freedoms and the trade is tariff free or it reverts to WTO rules with tariffs eventually after the transitional period, if there is one, which gives the UK time to sort out its WTO membership ( two years won't be enough).

If you will notice I have not changed my opinion one iota since the beginning of this.

 

[fcbforever]

So you are expecting these foreign Universities will turn away our students will they? Even if as you predict the tuition costs will be less than in Britain? If that is the case I would imagine droves of British Students will be heading over to the EU, even if they have to get visas.
However if I've understood you correctly by Britain leaving the EU, all EU Universities will bar British students as a punishment... don't think its me whose talking drivel son!

They won't turn all of them away, but some, as they will fall under the non-EU quotas. Simple as that. And this isn't about people full-time studying somewhere else mostly, it's usually a few semesters to up your CV and broaden your horizon. This will become way harder since the U.K. wouldn't participate in Erasmus any longer.

 

[Bury Red]

So you are expecting these foreign Universities will turn away our students will they? Even if as you predict the tuition costs will be less than in Britain? If that is the case I would imagine droves of British Students will be heading over to the EU, even if they have to get visas.
However if I've understood you correctly by Britain leaving the EU, all EU Universities will bar British students as a punishment... don't think its me whose talking drivel son!

Without the EU assistance they presently receive and a guarantee that they will only pay the same fees as local EU students any British student wishing to study in a European Uni would need to pay full fees, those fees might be lower than those at home in the UK which may tempt some but most would fail to qualify on language grounds once the EU remove the assistance and encouragement they presently give through programmes like ERASMUS to encourage students to leave their comfort zone. Add in visa costs and the increased cost of living they will face as the pound slumps against the Euro and I doubt it will attract many at all, Brits were already pretty woeful at taking up their places in European courses as it was.

Where did I say EU universities would ban British students? I pointed out that our membership of ERASMUS (the European Region Action Scheme for the Mobility of University Students) would be invalidated once we stop freedom of movement removing the easiest route into European Unis and the funding that came with it.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Erasmus was probably the best year of my life. I truly feel sorry for the young Brits who may not get to do it because of their old twits.

 

[Bury Red]

Erasmus was probably the best year of my life. I truly feel sorry for the young Brits who may not get to do it because of their old twits.

Likewise. The old twit in our family finally accepted that I was going to a French Uni but only on the promise that I didn't speak to any of them Frenchies whilst I was over there. The old boy would be 115 if he was still with us, seems bizarre that there's still people around with even more archaic views than him.

 

[The Outsider]

Nice theory, difficult to set up. This isn't some computer game. What is for example if Germany would protect it's car lighting industry. Fine you would say, they can't export car lights then. But...what about finished cars with lighting then?

This wouldn't be free trade, just an endless fight.

I take your point yet surely this is where rules would come in, if for example 80% was not protected then the car could be sold aboard without tariffs.

Re the endless fights, that is the nature of the Beast - Doha never reached agreement and the EU CAP policy.

 

[fcbforever]

Without the EU assistance they presently receive and a guarantee that they will only pay the same fees as local EU students any British student wishing to study in a European Uni would need to pay full fees, those fees might be lower than those at home in the UK which may tempt some but most would fail to qualify on language grounds once the EU remove the assistance and encouragement they presently give through programmes like ERASMUS to encourage students to leave their comfort zone. Add in visa costs and the increased cost of living they will face as the pound slumps against the Euro and I doubt it will attract many at all, Brits were already pretty woeful at taking up their places in European courses as it was.

Where did I say EU universities would ban British students? I pointed out that our membership of ERASMUS (the European Region Action Scheme for the Mobility of University Students) would be invalidated once we stop freedom of movement removing the easiest route into European Unis and the funding that came with it.

Germany will likely introduce tuition fees especially for non-EU residents now, as quite a lot of people are pissed that Chinese and Americans come here to flee their high-cost education, while there's almost zero chance they are staying here to give something back to the country who paid for theirs. It's something I support and should absolutely also be in place for the UK after they have left, should they not accept FOM. Sorry, brits.

 

[I Believe]

woeful at taking up their places in European courses as it was.

Thanks, that was what I was after... its all a red herring about British student travel/study in Europe being fatally undermined by Brexit.

I understand that some, like yourself were persuaded to leave their comfort zone and have benefitted from the Erasmus projects, but I suspect Britain will find a way to allow those who want to, to continue. I was told some time back that we (Britain) were the major contributor to this project, don't know if that was true, or if it that is still the case, any thoughts?

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

What do people mean by pointless degrees? Can we render any degree that is not directly vocational (Dentistry, Medicine, etc) pointless? Because there are a hell of a lot of graduates out there with niche degrees whom go directly into professional careers.

I'd say the reputation of the institution attended is the most important thing.

The 'flipping burgers at McDonalds' comment was intended to signify 'starting at the bottom and working your way up' clearly that passed over your wonderful intellect.

In the contemporary world, anybody whose career simply starts with 'flipping burgers at McDonalds' will find it extremely difficult to ever progress into a meaningful career.

Britain has always been a trading nation, maybe its the island mentality and at times admittedly we have been skating on the edges. Some of our most famous traders e.g. Francis Drake was also (and as far as the Spanish were concerned) a Privateer/Buccaneer, possible even a Pirate. Our history is littered with massive successes and quite a few spectacular failures. We have to now return to that indomitable spirit, of course we cannot send gun boats into foreign ports anymore, demanding trade, but we have innate capabilities that have been dormant for years and we need those to the fore now.

I almost can't believe what I'm reading. Amazing that people still hold onto these imperialist dreams from centuries ago.

 

[I Believe]

If you will notice I have not changed my opinion one iota since the beginning of this

Yes of course Paul, couldn't resist it, just a bit of leg-pulling!

I am quite happy to confirm you have consistently and obstinately stuck to your opinions, albeit they are somewhat flawed!

 

[4bars]

Germany will likely introduce tuition fees especially for non-EU residents now, as quite a lot of people are pissed that Chinese and Americans come here to flee their high-cost education, while there's almost zero chance they are staying here to give something back to the country who paid for theirs. It's something I support and should absolutely also be in place for the UK after they have left, should they not accept FOM. Sorry, brits.

Is the same in Spain. Lots of Americans with medical conditions goes there as is one of the best healthcares in the world (and free) and they, for example overexert to provoke a heart attack to have the bypass that need so badly (very risky but with they healthcare would come sooner or later) and they are attended and they pay nada,

Also there are other tricks like fake contracts to enter the health care system to get transplants (Spain is leader in organ donations) by the face. And so on.

I agree in contribute more or less and be a bit benefited or less. That is what happens in the Union. But contributing nothing is not fair, so great that people comes from anywhere, uses services, etc...but not by the face, some fees should apply, specially for the ones that are wealthy enough to travel and spend 3/4 years studying (not speaking about less privileged people).

 

[Bury Red]

Thanks, that was what I was after... its all a red herring about British student travel/study in Europe being fatally undermined by Brexit.

I understand that some, like yourself were persuaded to leave their comfort zone and have benefitted from the Erasmus projects, but I suspect Britain will find a way to allow those who want to, to continue. I was told some time back that we (Britain) were the major contributor to this project, don't know if that was true, or if it that is still the case, any thoughts?

No it's not a red herring, we are as a nation lazy and inept when it comes to picking up other languages and as a result have used ERASMUS less than students from other nations but that should encourage us to push more out of their comfort zones rather than dumping on the idea lest our nation grows more stupid and intolerant in its old age.

Pray tell how Britain will find a way to participate in a scheme we will be ineligible for once we Brexit? Who told you that the UK were overpaying for the scheme? Some xenophobic old pillock down the Conservative club, I'd guess. If anything the UK are probably the largest beneficiary of the ERASMUS scheme as our Universities are horribly overpriced and there are far, far more EU students studying in UK institutions with the EU paying their fees than vice versa. (0.5% of UK students take part vs over 1% of all other EU students).

 

[Full bodied red]

Erasmus was probably the best year of my life. I truly feel sorry for the young Brits who may not get to do it because of their old twits.

Glad you enjoyed it.

But don't forget that it was ' The Old Twits ' who paid for it

 

[Bury Red]

Glad you enjoyed it.

But don't forget that it was ' The Old Twits ' who paid for it

As they 'kin should, we're expected to pay for their cnutting pensions

 

[fcbforever]

No it's not a red herring, we are as a nation lazy and inept when it comes to picking up other languages and as a result have used ERASMUS less than students from other nations but that should encourage us to push more out of their comfort zones rather than dumping on the idea lest our nation grows more stupid and intolerant in its old age.

Pray tell how Britain will find a way to participate in a scheme we will be ineligible for once we Brexit? Who told you that the UK were overpaying for the scheme? Some xenophobic old pillock down the Conservative club, I'd guess. If anything the UK are probably the largest beneficiary of the ERASMUS scheme as our Universities are horribly overpriced and there are far, far more EU students studying in UK institutions with the EU paying their fees than vice versa.

The whole thinking behind ERASMUS is basically that it should be ideally a zero sum equation. Everyone get's just as much out of it as he "pays" into it. Between Germany and Britain, for example: yes, GB has to pay (quite indirectly) for the laughable tuition fees English Universities are going for, but the Universities also spare money because students go abroad and enjoy living of other taxpayers money while getting further education. I would say it is the least controversial of all EU projects, ever.

I just remembered something else by the way: Britain would be thrown out of the ECTS program associated with ERASMUS, so no automatical recognition of degrees and and transferable archievements between country.

Basically, if today you study abroad, every course you did so far is scored with ECTS points, and the other university is also using ECTS points. Bachelors require 180 ECTS; master degress 120. So there's no long battles about which stuff the other university will actually recognize as being done, they will just do it. You are saving huge amounts of studytime because of that. Bye bye to that as well GB!

 

[I Believe]

In the contemporary world, anybody whose career simply starts with 'flipping burgers at McDonalds' will find it extremely difficult to ever progress into a meaningful career.

Oh well that's put paid to a hell of a lot of people's dreams hasn't it?

I personally know two people, both respected micro-biologists ,one of whom now teaches at a prominent University, who both started their working lives at McDonalds and both assure me they did their share of flipping burgers and that was all achieved in the 21st Century.

meaningful career indeed!

I almost can't believe what I'm reading. Amazing that people still hold onto these imperialist dreams from centuries ago.

Not dreams son, history... this really happened!

As I say, we won't be able to use 'gun boats' now ... suppose it did speed up negotiations though!

 

[The Outsider]

Growing schism in the EU, Macron wants more integration the EEs don't:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...paign=headline&cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

 

[4bars]

My best years were 1 year of ERASMUS and 3 years travelling and working around the world. Crippling free movement it would be sad, very sad. Though is not that brittish will not find solutions. Is not a third world country

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

Oh well that's put paid to a hell of a lot of people's dreams hasn't it?

I personally know two people, both respected micro-biologists ,one of whom now teaches at a prominent University, who both started their working lives at McDonalds and both assure me they did their share of flipping burgers and that was all achieved in the 21st Century.

And I'm sure at no point was working in McDonalds the primary pursuit/end game in their lives.

Not dreams son, history... this really happened!

As I say, we won't be able to use 'gun boats' now ... suppose it did speeded up negotiations though!

Yeah, maybe we should try and re-establish the empire.

 

[I Believe]

we are as a nation lazy and inept when it comes to picking up other languages

Agreed, these youngsters of today will have to shape up when Brexit comes, get your full education now son, especially in modern foreign languages!

Pray tell how Britain will find a way to participate in a scheme we will be ineligible for once we Brexit

Money son, 'palms will be greased', legally of course, as I suspect Davis is doing this very minute, the practice is very European in origin!

Who told you that the UK were overpaying for the scheme?

You really need to address your reading comprehension son, I didn't say over paying I said major contributor. I suppose that was because not as many Brits took it up as expected, then you could argue we were overpaying!
Seems you may have got there in the end!

Some xenophobic old pillock down the Conservative club

Only ever been in a Conservative club, twice, once to help relay the snooker table and a second time helping to deliver an upright piano, there were no old pillock's, xenophobic or otherwise present... smart looking barmaid though, almost dropped the piano taking a gander!

 

[I Believe]

And I'm sure at no point was working in McDonalds the primary pursuit/end game in their lives.

Did you work that out all on your own?

I said they 'started' their working lives at McDonalds, you really need to pay attention!

Yeah, maybe we should try and re-establish the empire.

Heavens no! we can't afford to do that again, oh no, once was enough, we are still being blamed for half the ills of the world as it is!

 

[I Believe]

no automatical recognition of degrees and and transferable archievements between country.

Oh dear, bet the Russell Group of Universities will be really worried about that!

 

[Stanley Road]

For non-EU people it's considerably more time consuming and expensive, and then they get the fun of things like queuing for hours every few months to renew their permits and suchlike, something many of my non-EU friends 'enjoy' at the moment. Oh and not to mention the limitations such as working visa conditions, stricter job offer requirements and the rest.

So no it won't be impossible, just expensive and annoying, and likely to have the main effect of pushing poorer youngsters away from the opportunity they can currently actually enjoy and enrich their lives with.

It's almost like there was a reason the young massively voted in favour of remain isn't it.

Yep, 18 years ago I had to the same every 3 months, it really isn't a big deal trust me.

On top of that they all get the 30% tax ruling which I don't get.

 

[Full bodied red]

As they 'kin should, we're expected to pay for their cnutting pensions

Kinnell....Wot you says, brov....

Your degree was obviously in something like ' Agressivity and Swearing '....Probably only got a Desmond, though - you know, a 2.2....Geddit, brov ??

Anyway, seeing as everyone's ranting on about universities and ERASMUS today, I'm going to post later about the ' other ' side of Erasmus - from the point of view of the Universities.

Just so happens our daughter is a Senior Lecturer / Senior Researcher ( BA, MA , PHD and all that ) at a fairly good Uni in the UK and a visiting Lecturer at an even better one in the USA. Also did a year's ERASMUS herself in 2000 and is now lecturing ERASMUS students as well as her ' normal ' UK and Foreign students who've actually paid for the 12 months rather than relying on ' The Old Twits ' to foot the bill.

I'll call her later and ask her opinion of the values / benefits / downsides of ERASMUS, although from what she's said in the past about it, some of you guys might not like to hear it.

 

[Kentonio]

Yep, 18 years ago I had to the same every 3 months, it really isn't a big deal trust me.

A lot less people were doing it 18 years ago I'd imagine. My friends go there fully expecting to be queuing for 2-4 hours minimum each time here in Lyon. Plus things like my teacher friend only legally being allowed to hold 2 consecutive posts under the visa they gave her before having to leave. It's much more complex than just 'apply for a visa and everything will be fine'.

 

[Stanley Road]

A lot less people were doing it 18 years ago I'd imagine. My friends go there fully expecting to be queuing for 2-4 hours minimum each time here in Lyon. Plus things like my teacher friend only legally being allowed to hold 2 consecutive posts under the visa they gave her before having to leave. It's much more complex than just 'apply for a visa and everything will be fine'.

Must be a French thing, my Serbian colleagues seem to have little issues. they've held long jobs in china, Singapore and all over Europe. Their goal is entry to the UK I might add.

 

[4bars]

Kinnell....Wot you says, brov....

Your degree was obviously in something like ' Agressivity and Swearing '....Probably only got a Desmond, though - you know, a 2.2....Geddit, brov ??

Anyway, seeing as everyone's ranting on about universities and ERASMUS today, I'm going to post later about the ' other ' side of Erasmus - from the point of view of the Universities.

Just so happens our daughter is a Senior Lecturer / Senior Researcher ( BA, MA , PHD and all that ) at a fairly good Uni in the UK and a visiting Lecturer at an even better one in the USA. Also did a year's ERASMUS herself in 2000 and is now lecturing ERASMUS students as well as her ' normal ' UK and Foreign students who've actually paid for the 12 months rather than relying on ' The Old Twits ' to foot the bill.

I'll call her later and ask her opinion of the values / benefits / downsides of ERASMUS, although from what she's said in the past about it, some of you guys might not like to hear it.

Regardless of what she can say, I don't think most of the population is BA, MA, PHD and lecturer in prestigious universities. Erasmus is not about formal education, it goes well beyond that and the values that the people and personal growth and SPECIALLY getting to know the "historical enemies" and tighten Europeans viewings as a whole, not you are German, you are English, you are Greek, you are Italian, etc...And that, to not repeat the mistakes of the past I think is very important.

 

[fcbforever]

Oh dear, bet the Russell Group of Universities will be really worried about that!

Nobody gives flying feck about "Russels". I even had to google it. Not every one of those universities is Cambridge or Oxford. And yes, they will care. It will be harder for their students to go abroad and they will lose people who would consider studying there because it's easier to go elsewhere in the Union.

This is exactly what people mean when they tell you you live in the past. The U.K. isnt an Empire anymore. And there are more than enough excellent universities abroad.

 

[Full bodied red]

Regardless of what she can say, I don't think most of the population is BA, MA, PHD and lecturer in prestigious universities. Erasmus is not about formal education, it goes well beyond that and the values that the people and personal growth and SPECIALLY getting to know the "historical enemies" and tighten Europeans viewings as a whole, not you are German, you are English, you are Greek, you are Italian, etc...And that, to not repeat the mistakes of the past I think is very important.

You know, I actually agree with you.

On the other hand, if that's what the students want and the EU is trying so hard to achieve, then maybe the students should just take a Gap Year and go work as as a waiter or whatever in another EU country instead of letting the Tax Payers pick up the bill for a year's pseudo learning. It would be interesting to ask the EU whether they would pay for EU students to spend a year travelling around the world outside of the EU to achieve their personal growth and get to know better ' historical enemies ' You know - the British students could spend a year in USA or Japan ; the French students could spend a year in Vietnam or the Maghreb ; the Spanish students could spend a year in South America ; the German students ?? You tell me, because I don't recall Germany ever having historical enemies before the 20th century, in which case ERASMUS suits just fine and is maybe why you see it that way.

So....Do you think the EU should and would encourage this ? And fund this ?

I don't think so - but why not if that is the object of ERASMUS ?

As for your ' Not German, not English, not Greek ', etc....

Like I said before - the EU would love everyone to just be homogenous, EU citizens. But that is just never going to happen. Hell, in the UK, most of the Scots don't even want to be British citizens ; in Spain the Catalans don't want to be Spanish ; in Belgium most of the Walloons don't want to be Belgian. Maybe some of the Germans are more open to giving up their German identity and nationality in favour of single-one-for-everyone EU nationality, but they're in a very small minority if they are. Frau FBR most certainly wouldn't.

 

[fcbforever]

You know, I actually agree with you.

On the other hand, if that's what the students want and the EU is trying so hard to achieve, then maybe the students should just take a Gap Year and go work as as a waiter or whatever in another EU country instead of letting the Tax Payers pick up the bill for a year's pseudo learning. It would be interesting to ask the EU whether they would pay for EU students to spend a year travelling around the world outside of the EU to achieve their personal growth and get to know better ' historical enemies ' You know - the British students could spend a year in USA or Japan ; the French students could spend a year in Vietnam or the Maghreb ; the Spanish students could spend a year in South America ; the German students ?? You tell me, because I don't recall Germany ever having historical enemies before the 20th century, in which case ERASMUS suits just fine and is maybe why you see it that way.

So....Do you think the EU should and would encourage this ? And fund this ?

I don't think so - but why not if that is the object of ERASMUS ?

As for your ' Not German, not English, not Greek ', etc....

Like I said before - the EU would love everyone to just be homogenous, EU citizens. But that is just never going to happen. Hell, in the UK, most of the Scots don't even want to be British citizens ; in Spain the Catalans don't want to be Spanish ; in Belgium most of the Walloons don't want to be Belgian. Maybe some of the Germans are more open to giving up their German identity and nationality in favour of single-one-for-everyone EU nationality, but they're in a very small minority if they are. Frau FBR most certainly wouldn't.

ERASMUS is mroe than your second year bachelor student partying in Barcelona, you know.....it also enables you to study at one University, but writing your master thesis at another (friend of mine studied an Paris, but did her master thesis at my university, likewise another friend of mine studied at my university but did his bachelor thesis in Rennes because there was a professor more suited to his thematics). It enables you to switch subjects and universities with relative ease throughout Europe, while being able to keep most of your done courses etc....

And yes, this only works with FOM, because it ensures no country tries to gain a benefit from that.

Exactly the shitty half-knowledge and "common places" that lead to Brexit, right there.

 

[Full bodied red]

Nobody gives flying feck about "Russels". I even had to google it. Not every one of those universities is Cambridge or Oxford. And yes, they will care. It will be harder for their students to go abroad and they will lose people who would consider studying there because it's easier to go elsewhere in the Union.

This is exactly what people mean when they tell you you live in the past. The U.K. isnt an Empire anymore. And there are more than enough excellent universities abroad.

Aahh...But British people do - even if Germans don't.

But then again, British people are not too interested in which are the good and which are the not-so-good German universities and would have to Google them also.

You really must learn to think beyond Germany and everything German....Really.....

 

[fcbforever]

Aahh...But British people do - even if Germans don't.

But then again, British people are not too interested in which are the good and which are the not-so-good German universities and would have to Google them also.

You really must learn to think beyond Germany and everything German....Really.....

I do. That's why I wouldn't tell you, in case Germany would be in UK's place, that we don't care about losing ECTS and Eramus because "Ah, the Exzellenzuniversitäten don't need this!".

Because sure as hell your response wouldn't be "yes you are right, everyone wants to go to Konstanz regardless if it would be easier to just go to Madrid."

The Exzellenzuniversitäten are, by design, a more exclusive club than your Russells by the way.

 

[Full bodied red]

ERASMUS is mroe than your second year bachelor student partying in Barcelona, you know.....it also enables you to study at one University, but writing your master thesis at another (friend of mine studied an Paris, but did her master thesis at my university, likewise another friend of mine studied at my university but did his bachelor thesis in Rennes because there was a professor more suited to his thematics). It enables you to switch subjects and universities with relative ease throughout Europe, while being able to keep most of your done courses etc....

And yes, this only works with FOM, because it ensures no country tries to gain a benefit from that.

Exactly the shitty half-knowledge and "common places" that lead to Brexit, right there.

You must be so sincerely happy that the UK is leaving the EU.

But who will you, FCBForever, then turn your angst and hostility against after they leave ?

Eastwards next time ?

 

[fcbforever]

You must be so sincerely happy that the UK is leaving the EU.

But who will you, FCBForever, then turn your angst and hostility against after they leave ?

Eastwards next time ?

Angst? Hostility? Against whom? I don't give a shit, I'm just amazed how a country as a whole can be dumb enough to let its future decades fortune be decided by a single, simple majority vote. And I'm quite happy to provide you with knowledge you quite clearly lack.

Am I happy? No. I would have preferred the UK to stay.

 

[JPRouve]

Angst? Hostility? Against whom? I don't give a shit, I'm just amazed how a country as a whole can be dumb enough to let its future decades fortune be decided by a single, simple majority vote. And I'm quite happy to provide you with knowledge you quite clearly lack.

Am I happy? No. I would have preferred the UK to stay.

To be fair, it's not the country as a whole.

 

[Mozza]

Yep, 18 years ago I had to the same every 3 months, it really isn't a big deal trust me.

And then things got better. It's called progress

 

[Full bodied red]

Angst? Hostility? Against whom? I don't give a shit, I'm just amazed how a country as a whole can be dumb enough to let its future decades fortune be decided by a single, simple majority vote. And I'm quite happy to provide you with knowledge you quite clearly lack.

Am I happy? No. I would have preferred the UK to stay.

So now, in true EU style, you want to change the UK's democratic voting and referendum sytems as well ? Which they've used for about 400 years ?

You really prefer the UK uses the the German system ? One that lets a party like the AfD take 13% of parliamentary seats ?

Look....The British know that you Germans have one of the world's best economies, if not THE best ; they know that you Germans make the world's best cars ; they know that Germany makes the world's best beer ; they know that Germany makes the world's best machine tools ; they know that Germany's designer clothes are just as fashionable and better quality than French and Italian clothing ; they know that Germany has most of the best architects and construction companies in the world ; some will even agree with the phrase ' There's only three rules of football - There's one ball, 22 players and Germany always win ' ; some of us would even go so far as to agree that Germany has the best looking, most elegant women over 45, but I have to say that because Frau FBR will no doubt read this later...

On the other hand, the British don't really feel the need for your own personal advice about what is best for the British, however much you rant about ' a country as a whole can be so dumb '....

Just stick to your own problems - like the AfD and the million or so immigrants that Frau Fatarse let into the EU without the approriate vetting and security checks and which the EU is now trying to disperse around the EU with threats of members' expulsion if they don't take the number off your hands that the EU has decided they must take.

And I am absolutely sure that I lack some of the knowledge that you so obviously have - but that's made up by the fact that I'm actually a really nice guy and not a stereotypical know-it-all-because-I'm-German, German.