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Very true, I even married one
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Very true, I even married one
Hopefully, free at last... !
So the truth will out Paul ...you left a sinking ship? No women and children first then?
Surely with your mentality so much higher than the rest of us 'dumbo's' you could have stayed and turned the tide..?
In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king, eh?
In truth I would have left many years previously but couldn't due to work commitments but thankfully advances in technology let me escape.
Free at last
The women and children escaped with meSo you had seen the writing on the wall well before Brexit? That must be so satisfying.
That advance in new technology, it wouldn't be that it put you out of a job by any chance?
Free at last
I take it you were the Head of the escape committee? Are you sure they all wanted to go, hope you didn't have the women and children digging the tunnel?
So you had seen the writing on the wall well before Brexit? That must be so satisfying.
That advance in new technology, it wouldn't be that it put you out of a job by any chance?
I take it you were the Head of the escape committee? Are you sure they all wanted to go, hope you didn't have the women and children digging the tunnel?
Yes, it was satisfying that because I did, I didn't lose a lot of money.
It didn't put me out of a job as I was the boss and I wasn't really going to sack myself but meant I could stay in constant contact wherever I was.
As my wife is french and the children dual nationals, not a lot of persuasion needed.
[Sorry Paul I missed this one, its been a hectic day!]
Anyway, Mrs Merkel will not rescue Britain, in fact she will drive a hard bargain, maybe up to £100B over 10 years (sounds about right!) that's what she will want in return for granting Britain everything it wants, it will be known hence forth as the GB Option or the UK Pact!
The rest of the EU may moan a bit, groan a bit, pretend to stand up to Merkel, but as they always do when she rattles the money box, they will all back down. As she will point out if they don't like it they can make up Britain's contribution themselves, but Germany's not!
Obviously what I've described may not be the outcome, (this is a conspiracy theory after all) but most likely the 'hard' Brexit is the only other choice, that's likely and lets be honest nobody really wants, but... but.. if the money cannot be settled, then that may be the outcome...scary eh?
As I've said previously the casualties in all this will be Theresa May and Claude Junker having to fall on their swords, Theresa because of the money agreement, (will be seen as a give away in Britain) and Claude because this could all have been avoided had he not felt so vitriolic against Cameron and given him some leeway on his requested concessions in the first place... actually the more I repeat this scenario, the more I think it might 'have legs'..?
Good for you, its always satisfying to be able to get the money out, before the collapse, seen it happen many times in my (former) career, he who hesitates is lost etc.!
Sounds like you've got it made Paul, all the best to you and yours.
You will be glad to see the back of us Brits no doubt, Mrs Merkel will take of you now!
EU citizen or British citizen? Why not both. I think the UK's a bit of a shit tip nowadays, but it's a decent passport to have.
I never hesitate.
I wish the Brits were a bit less isolationist, never felt I belonged.
I also hope the UK gets out of this well, believe or not, but something's gotta change.
It will Brexit will see to that!
I sense a lot of bitterness - there's a lot of gloom predictions for the UK, but in reality it'll be largely fine with some largely smaller repercussions. There's too many in this thread who seem gleeful and hopeful that the UK suffers. There's also this tendency to dress up those that voted leave as a some dumb Brit that thought xyz stereotype, in your post its that they believed the evil EU was the root of their problems. But the reality is a lot of people are more logical than that (of course you do have the idiots - but they're not a majority).
The problems facing the EU are highlighted by the migrant crisis in Hungary - the EU court's trying to force Hungary to accept migrants against its will. It's that forceful loss of sovereignty that's the major issue here. The EU's great as a trading block and for closer research bodies, but it's ever-closer integration politically is a huge problem. There's just far too much diversity in the EU to try and make into a federalist body like the US. Here's my last post in this thread -
You don't half talk a lot of shite.
It's not bitterness, it's bewilderment. The forecasts are nothing to do with wanting the Uk to suffer, it's just the logical conclusion. People make statements, even obviously intelligent people on here but because they haven't checked their facts and make wild assumptions they make themselves look daft. Brainwashing appears to work.
As for a federalist state, take France where I live, they are as strongly patriotic as the UK and there's no way they would want to be part of a USE. France is in the EU fine but they are a sovereign state and the people realise this, why don't the Brits.
As for immigrants if countries sign up , they're not forced to, they abide by the rules. The UK opted out of taking the fleeing refugees but because they've been lied to the public think they are overrun with them.
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Takes one to know one son...Have a nice day!
I ain't your son you condescending piece of shit. And if I was I would be embarrassed to admit it.
That's what you should be worried about
No worries Paul, none whatsoever!
after all 'I Believe'!!I agree, though is that because we are a major contributor to the EU budget, second only to Germany?
Militarily we are much closer to the Americans yet also the biggest single power in Europe (exc.Russia). That is probably another reason why we are valued.
I agree politically the Aussies are closer to the US and sending warships through the Taiwan Straits a few years ago was unwise, it seriously annoyed the Chinese.
I agree about the mineral wealth too, although that mining focus weakened their economy in the global downturn.
Re building a new model, I would expect in these current negotiations with Trudeau for example that perhaps it is a sounding out process to see if this is feasible.
A lot of these people in the old colonies consider England the mother country, they even watch Coronation Street ( that shocked me) and most like our Monarchy.
At the moment we are paying for 2 political systems Westminster and Brussels MEPs , so some of that money would go to the new bureaucracies etc.
Govts are too close to corporations to care about really improving health, I know from fixing a lot of my own problems and helping others. Does not mean that it can't change?
I think if the US play hardball, we should remind them we are buying US military hardware yet if they don't appreciate that, mention we have heard from Turkey that Russia s-400 missiles look very useful and see if their attitude changes!
There are strange undercurrents about the military I hear we are continuing a strong bond with the French with building shared defences from alt news sources!!!!
I agree about the UK on the world stage and the challenge it represents yet with growing Islamic terror do British people still want this global role? Has anyone asked them?
British people are largely close to Canada, Australia and NZ. The old English speaking colonies. I don't think most care about the rest, it is more the Westminster elite wanting to be seen as global players.
Good point to consider yet the fellow English speaking colonies (except the US) are like cousins with so many ex-pat Brits there.
Re Scotland they could get their exit bill yet would be given their sum of the debt like RBS, that would seriously hurt their economy.
Is the EU really a level playing field, I have heard we play by the rules and the others don't like protecting their utility companies from UK competition and Spain for example insisting that all business are at least 51% Spanish owned.
Remember JPR we nearly always back the US in the UN, we nearly always send troops to show support in their conflicts and we are buying their military hardware, if they play hardball we can entertain the prospect of speaking with Putin the representative of our fellow WWII ally, just like Turkey a fellow NATO member is doing.
Good point
True though the cost of any transitional deal will need careful scrutiny and negotiation.
Like the quote though many countries consider us as family, when the British and Irish Lions go to NZ they get a massive financial windfall. Most love the Royals too.
That's interesting, where do you take that information from? The UK have less personnel, less tanks, less aircrafts and as many submarines as France.
@The Outsider - I think you overestimate the "Anglosphere" as an economic replacement for the EU as opposed to a cultural and (under US leadership) military bloc. I have no doubt those countries wish us well but distant, sparsely populated Australia is not exactly a replacement for Germany.
Wild assumptions still present I see.
Yes but yours only have a reverse gear
Yes but yours only have a reverse gear
Touché.Today will be interesting, im not sure they could have handled things much worse up until this point. How the Tories still have even limited popularity in the polls is astounding.
I ain't your son you condescending piece of shit. And if I was I would be embarrassed to admit it.
We've got the DNA results here. The DNA results have an accuracy rate of 99.6%. I Believe, you, are the father of C3Pique.
*audience gasps*
Aus/NZ are slightly different because so many of them are British immigrants including huge numbers of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants. Even then though, those bonds of 'family' will usually only stretch as far as its within the interests of their new country to do so. They certainly won't do anything that has a negative affect on their own economies or lives just in order to help us.
We've got the DNA results here. The DNA results have an accuracy rate of 99.6%. I Believe, you, are the father of C3Pique.
*audience gasps*
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
55% of the French people voted against the ratification of the EU constitution.
They were ignored.
That's the definition of losing your sovereignty and your democracy. Rightly or wrongly, the next French government ratified the EU constitution anyway.
I believe that if you held a "Frexit" you would have a similar vote.
Perhaps that's because the people don't understand the consequences fully. The EU becoming more federalised COULD be a power of good, but it's hard to ignore the erosion of choice - especially with forced migration quotas being placed on Hungary, Poland etc.
Not really when you consider the alternatives;
Labour will try to win the next election by borrowing to such an extent our Great, Great, Great, Grandchildren will still be paying off the 'interest only' on the debt in 2080!
The Liberals want yet another Referendum on Brexit (some people never learn do they?) and are led by a man older than me (and that's saying something!).
The Greens want to fill the British islands with windmills on every conceivable hill top and turn off all electricity after 8.00pm each evening, to save energy and they want to save the planet for our 'up to their necks in debt' descendants.
SNP still want Scotland to float off over the north sea and join up with EU so they can enjoy an even greater subsidy to support their main export industry which is exporting Scotsmen/women (world -wide coverage, you can find Scots(persons) anywhere)
Then there is UKIP, that wants...?
People voted against the government and it wasn't even hidden. Most people didn't care about the EU constitution and they still don't.
That's conjecture. "Most people didn't care". Voter turnout was 69%. More people cared than didn't.
My experience of working for the EU is admittedly dated, but back in the late 90's and early 00's the only two countries who were playing by the rules were Britain and Germany and when it felt like it France as well, but only when they were asked nicely!
And the conjuncture is that the government was despised, you noticed that we voted for pro EU presidents since then and in polls the majority is pro EU too. It's always important to know the context.
In a simplier world, the UK would honor its dues that it agreed with (2020) and remain in the EU up till that time. Unfortunately Brexiteers wil not accept that . The EU cannot directly link paying ones dues to a transitional period either else a country like Hungary who barely pays anything into the EU pot will expect a 2-3 year transitional deal for free. What I think will happen is that the UK pays a lump sum in exchange for a transitional deal with no ties attached at the end of it. If anyone wants to leave + it wants a transitional deal to soften the blow then it will have to pay up just like the UK did.
I ain't your son you condescending piece of shit. And if I was I would be embarrassed to admit it.
That's good, I would hate to think a son of mine used such language in a public place, go wash your mouth out sonny!
PS Kentonia and horsechoker seem to think different, they have proof... oh the shame of it!
Yes, it is irritating when the piper calls the tune...isn't it! It could only be viewed as such in the EU!
Its ridiculous irrespective on whom the piper is. The oldest and one of the richest continents in the world should not rely on a third country army to defend itself.
Its also ridiculous how Europe seem to be in some sort of permanent cold war with its powerful neighbour. Mexico doesn't like the US but there are no missles pointing against one another.
Sure Russia (under the Georgian dictator who treated Russians like filth too) did horrible things after WW2. However its been a historical ally to Europe for many many years prior to that. Russia shielded the Roman empire from nomad tribes that would have destroyed it in an instant for centuries. Its wars with the Ottoman empire kept such powerful and often aggressive empire from spreading further in Europe's territory. The Russians were also the main responsible in getting rid of Napoleon and Hitler. FFS Communism (a European concept) was able to conquer (and cripple) Russia because of a world war that Europe had started. Not to forget that they rarely start wars on our doorstep either.
Europe should rebuild a decent relationship with its powerful neighbour. If the US want to play soldiers with Russia then they should do it on their own soil with their own men.
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Who says they won't? Boris heh heh heh!
For many Brexit voters getting out of the EU is the main thing, so a temporary solution is we take back control of our borders and start to make trade deals elsewhere, now and we then remain in the EU until 2020, paying only what we owe/promised until the end of the current budget and then have a 'leaving do' at the end of 2020... simples!
Staying in the EU till 2020 will mean abiding to FOM rules and an inability to sign trade deals. You can't be in and out at the same time.
Its not the piper, who is the issue, its who pays him! Don't think you really understood that one?
Want to bet? There is no other way around it except everyone falling off the end of the proverbial cliff... lets be honest nobody really wants that, so both will have to blink at the same time, us on payments, the EU on movement of peoples and trade deals.. like I said simples!
Its not the piper, who is the issue, its who pays him! Don't think you really understood that one?
The US has its own interest to safeguard and Europe has theirs. Its warmongering in Africa and the ME might make sense for them but it had burdened Europe with millions of immigrants. Not to forget that under the current situation its almost impossible to find an amicable solution with Russia whom, prior the cold war, had mostly been a great ally to Europe. No wonder why Turkey is slowly but surely turning its allegiance elsewhere.