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But Germany and France are even closer, and they don't have to pay to get in
Before, but there has been progress since to a better way, you would have freedom of movement only for the wealthy
You can't get Visa's easily online
Obviously, hence comparison there would be superfluous.
I commented on a country that lots of people still want to go to even with temporary visas. Which might be the same for the UK, or might not, we shall see.
No....You would have right to work and residence in the UK for anybody and everybody who has a job to go to in the UK.
Whether you think unlimited and unrestricted FoM is a better way is your own opinion, of course, but isn't one shared with the EU itself which DOES NOT allow unlimited and unrestricted FoM into the EU of non-EU citizens.
So post-BREXIT, the UK will only be doing what the EU currently does itself.
Edited to add - Even Monsieur Europe sees that the problem of FoM being abused and the problems it causes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/...e-emmanuel-macron-eastern-europe.html?mcubz=3
But then again, he won't be called xenophobic like people in the UK who share the same view as he does....
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Looking at Canada as an example you can apply for a visitors visa online.
Talk of future immigration and freedom of movement is pointless until both the UK and the EU find a solution to future of the Irish border. Although this is Britain so they'll mostly likely stick a border up in the North and slags us(Irish) off the papers.
FOM might cause problems but nothing which justifies that you sacrifice it all together.
Any job? So fruit pickers are in? Could anyone say they are going to Uber and come in? Could businesses higher a cohort of Eastern Europeans and bring them in? Where is the upper limit?
We're going to build a wall and we're going to make Ireland pay for it!
I couldn't when applying for my wife's visitor visa to the UK.
Regardless right now I don't have to apply, I could book a ticket and be on the mainland tomorrow, we start putting up visa requirements and they will do the same. Our freedoms sacrificed because some people don't like foreigners
I mentioned that it would depend on the bureaucracy involved. I don't really find apply for Visas as a curtailing of my freedom either.
Its a cost in time and money which we don't have at the moment.
Right now you have the right go to any EU country without question. When you need a visa who knows what restrictions will apply
I can only speak about my line of work/my wife. We would be much better of in Australia then in the uk. Also a 2 year visa isnt worth the bother
Take the bloody chip off your shoulder.
It's bugger all to do with ' some people don't like foreigners '....
Would your wife have been able to get her visa easier / quicker / cheaper in Belgium or Finland ? Will her visa be easier / quicker / cheaper to get in Belgium or Finland post-Brexit ?
Most people I know in the UK who voted to leave voted to leave because of what the EU is already and is (was ?) going to be like after a few more years of 'more harmonisation and closer integration'
Ask Macron - by your definition, he doesn't like foreigners either.
And what Freedoms are you, personally, sacrificing through BREXIT, can I ask ?
I take it you've never been inside a Tesco / Argos / Sports Direct Distribution Centre, then ?
2,000 people per shift; three shifts, 24 / 7; all on zero hour contracts. And most of those employees are already from Eastern Europe and employed by Agencies who recruit them in their own countries and send them to the UK ( or France or Germany ) but pay them ' local ' wages, no pensions, because then everyone can get their Corn Flakes / cuddly toys / trainers a bit cheaper.
Does that mean that they don't want anything to do with such 'monstrosity'? Because by the looks of it, the Brexiters are being quite persistent regarding transitional deals, trade deals....all sort of deals really.
If Brexiteers want a clear cut from the EU then the only option they have is to revert to WTO rules. Once trade transitional deals and trade deals are mentioned then that is all EU territory
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Canada is pro immigration. A relative of mine just had a baby in Canada and the child was automatically given citizenship. Is the UK that sort of country?
Really no idea....
But quite simply, the UK is quite prepared to offer the EU a Free Trade Agreement, without import duties / tariffs / quotas / etc.
It is the EU which is currently preventing that - not the UK.
In exactly the same way that the EU keeps non-EU immigrants away, but wants to sign Trade Agreements with those countries.
Spot the difference - because I can't....
You don't need an eu membership to work anywhere in the eu, if you have something to offer you will be snapped up. I have mentioned this a million times so membership is irrelevant.
Why does that make it pro immigration? I was talking about visitors visas anyway.
The EU trade deals are quite limited in scope. Even CETA is nowhere near to the trade deal the UK is asking with the EU and we're talking here of a country, the size of a continent whose brimming with natural resources and had always been an ally to the EU
You also need to take in consideration the economy of scale. Why should small fry like the UK be given a deal as an equal to the market of an entire continent? Why should it even be given a deal which is better than Canada's or the US's when its market and the potential of such market is nowhere near as important?
Kind of ironic that people are shitting the bed over the fact the UK is proposing immigration along the same lines as Canada, which is 'pro immigration.'
As it stands in the UK, if 1 parent is British then the baby is automatically a citizen. If neither are but you have lived in the UK you can register before you are 18 providing you spent the majority of your time between 0-10 in the UK.
Erm neither parents are Canadian
Having to check in with the Police every 3 months to make sure you're papers are in order and that you have a job, hardly feels like freedom.
I was referring to the general proposals that the UK has put forward in terms of visas etc.
Providing the child spends no more than 90 days outside the UK in each of their first 10 years then they/their parents can register for them to be a citizen which isn't a discretionary thing, if they meet the criteria they are a citizen. I believe if there is some unusual reason why they needed to spend more time outside then you can still apply and explain.
I am referring to Canada being more pro immigration then the UK is. I've yet to see Canada losing out on unrestricted access to the richest market in the world due to xenophobia
You misrepresent what Macron is saying, since it is posted worker rules he has a specific problem with, not foreigners.
I sacrifice freedom of movement certainly. Not sure what the Tories will do to the Human rights act but I'm not optimistic.
The ugly truth is Brexit would not be happening if people didn't have a problem with foreigners.
No I haven't but that's irrelevant to the question I asked. If anyone who has a job can get in to the uk then this situation continues. Macron is looking to reform the system within the EU
Australia took 10 minutes, that was form filling to receiving visa approval. I dunno, maybe 10 minutes is too long for you.
Well yes, but that's not in doubt, and at any rate Brexit still adds significant hoops to jump through. I was under the impression from our previous comments on the matter that you went with little to offer though and were hired with no qualifications at a time when 'if you could walk and talk (I think they were your words)' you would get a job.
What level of something?
There's little space to manoeuvre here. Everyone including Brexiteers are desperate for unrestricted access to the single market + there are plenty of studies that show that EU immigration had a very positive benefit on the UK economy. If Brexit was all about 'leaving the EU shackles' and 'avoid further integration' then it would have used FOM as leverage to push for a sound trade deal (probably EFTA or the Swiss model)
I am not saying that immigration is the beginning and end of Brexit. However its a big big part of it
Don't they bring people in on conditional visas if they have the skills that they need? Isn't that what we will be implementing?
I know, horrible to learn your fellow Brexiters are arse holes
My issue is you are automatically associating a desire for a reduction in immigration with xenophobia. I am sure indeed some people voted leave for that reason, but there would be people in pretty much any country who would vote leave for that reason. I voted to leave, I am also very happy with the proposed visa idea which really is not that much different from how Canada approaches its immigration. So apparently I am xenophobic yet I want a Canadian style immigration system, which seems confusing since apparently that's a country that is very pro-immigration.
They are more pro immigration. As said my relative had just had a baby and the baby was given automatic citizenship no questions asked.
Also Canada is a far richer country with way better standard of living than the UK. If the UK decide to compete with the likes of Canada and Australia on immigration then it will probably lose
Good luck with that, in 5 years his successor will be saying the same
Who says that we are going to compete with Canada and Australia? And your anecdote about the baby is completely meaningless to your point, it does nothing to prove that Canada is pro immigration.