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Paul the Wolf said:
You'll be pleased to know it has actually happened before the end of the week.

Next up, inflation through the roof, put interests rate up and then people can't afford to repay the interest on their loans, brilliantly thought out
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I wonder what the exchange rate is on the ground. High season in Spain for example so a good time to lower the rate just a tad more. In July my sister exchanged 100 euros in the UK and got 80 quid.
 
rcoobc said:
To be fair it's the most constructive suggestion so far. The early days of what could eventually be a sensible relationship
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its the same cherry picking deal of old, repacked in a different way
 
Same old. Brexiters promise to public things that they won't be able to deliver. It's either hard border with Ireland or Custom Union prevails, everyone knows that. However, tactic in demonizing EU further in front of their own cheerleaders aka "We think it is unacceptable having a physical border and it is who EU doesn't want to agree to our fantasy deals" might buy them some time. Points scoring at this stage is simply pathetic, but that they don't realize it will not get them far once shit hits the fan.
 
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With the Brexit fee, we're essentially paying for the next years membership even if we aren't opting to taking the place.

(This is analogous to taking a ski-trip with friends. 10 people all agree to pay £900 to go on a ski trip. At the last minute, one person drops out. But everything has already been paid for, so do the 9 remaining people pay £1000 each instead, or does the person that dropped out pay their share even though they can't go on it. In this case, we are agreeing to pay the £900 by leaving in this manner).

Staying attached to the EU's Customs Union allows us to enjoy some of the benefits of being in the EU that we are paying for.

This "untested" temporary customs union looks a lot like Turkey's option to me. Actually I think the BBC might be referring to the wrong thing when they say this is "untested".

https://infacts.org/briefings/turkish-option/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union–Turkey_Customs_Union

Of course once this transition period is ended, we again have to talk about what the customs border will look like. The only sensible decision would be to have the customs union in the sea between Britain and Ireland. Politically that's probably not possible for the Tories at the moment
 
rcoobc said:
With the Brexit fee, we're essentially paying for the next years membership even if we aren't opting to taking the place.

(This is analogous to taking a ski-trip with friends. 10 people all agree to pay £900 to go on a ski trip. At the last minute, one person drops out. But everything has already been paid for, so do the 9 remaining people pay £1000 each instead, or does the person that dropped out pay their share even though they can't go on it. In this case, we are agreeing to pay the £900 by leaving in this manner).

Staying attached to the EU's Customs Union allows us to enjoy some of the benefits of being in the EU that we are paying for.

This "untested" temporary customs union looks a lot like Turkey's option to me. Actually I think the BBC might be referring to the wrong thing when they say this is "untested".

https://infacts.org/briefings/turkish-option/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union–Turkey_Customs_Union

Of course once this transition period is ended, we again have to talk about what the customs border will look like. The only sensible decision would be to have the customs union in the sea between Britain and Ireland. Politically that's probably not possible for the Tories at the moment
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well if you start with a premis like that you can draw whatever conclusions you want...because funily enough we didnt arrange to take a ski holiday... we arranged to pay pensions, underwrite loans and fund long term indtastructure projects many of which are currently underway.

perhaps a more suitable analogy would be if you work for a company for 20+ years and are expecting a big pension should that company be able to change their mind and not pay you... because those are the sort of payments we are on the hook for

the only contributions being asked for are 2019 &20 because we signed up to a 7 year payment plan up to those dates

anyway people will pick the part that suits them but i think this is a reasonably decent FT analysis

https://www.ft.com/content/29fc1abc-2fe0-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
 
sun_tzu said:
well if you start with a premis like that you can draw whatever conclusions you want...because funily enough we didnt arrange to take a ski holiday... we arranged to pay pensions, underwrite loans and fund long term indtastructure projects many of which are currently underway.

perhaps a more suitable analogy would be if you work for a company for 20+ years and are expecting a big pension should that company be able to change their mind and not pay you... because those are the sort of payments we are on the hook for

the only contributions being asked for are 2019 &20 because we signed up to a 7 year payment plan up to those dates

anyway people will pick the part that suits them but i think this is a reasonably decent FT analysis

https://www.ft.com/content/29fc1abc-2fe0-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
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Indeed, I've read every article the FT has on the brexit bill as far as I know

Not sure what we can do about the EU Pensions
 
rcoobc said:
Indeed, I've read every article the FT has on the brexit bill as far as I know

Not sure what we can do about the EU Pensions
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The EU could budget properly, move to defined benefit system, reduce wages or freeze pay until the deficit is closed, put more money into the scheme in the future.

The UK is 1 country out of 27, so the other 26 are going to have to deal with the future internal consequences of the UK leaving including poor budgetary practices like unfunded commitments.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
The EU could budget properly, move to defined benefit system, reduce wages or freeze pay until the deficit is closed, put more money into the scheme in the future.

The UK is 1 country out of 27, so the other 26 are going to have to deal with the future internal consequences of the UK leaving including poor budgetary practices like unfunded commitments.
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The EU (as far as I know) are budgeting properly. The EU's stance is that, the UK leaving shouldn't mean that the other countries have to pay more in the next few years.

All of that, as a reaction to the UK leaving would be ridiculous. It would clearly show that the UK are the suppliers of the gravy train and have been taken advantage of.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
The EU could budget properly, move to defined benefit system, reduce wages or freeze pay until the deficit is closed, put more money into the scheme in the future.

The UK is 1 country out of 27, so the other 26 are going to have to deal with the future internal consequences of the UK leaving including poor budgetary practices like unfunded commitments.
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Not to be a pedant, but I think you mean from a defined benefit to a defined contribution pension scheme.
 
If you ask me the EU should allow the UK to leave the EU without any compensation or/and deal (whether its transitional or permanent). That is what the UK signed for when they voted for Brexit.

Sure the EU budget will take a hit and countries like my own will probably end up net contributors. Hopefully there will be enough business moving from the UK to the EU to compensate to some of that.

This will be a big test for both unions however it is something that its needed. The EU need to develop beyond the grasp of the 'enemy within' (the UK never really liked the concept of a unified Europe) and it cant afford having a third country constantly meddling in its affair. Meanwhile the UK will return to the role of a trading outpost which is closer to Asia and the US then to the very continent it makes part off.

In 15 years time the UK might be considered of getting an FTA with the EU.
 
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MoskvaRed said:
As O'Toole says, it sounds like the UK government are positioning themselves for the blame game when border checks go back up. Either that or they are complete idiots who have yet to grasp the point that an open border between one country in the customs union and one outside involves squaring a circle.
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So whats your solution?
 
Stanley Road said:
So whats your solution?
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If we must go through with this Brexit farce, stay in the EEA. I am mainly concerned with the future of the UK, although destabilising Ireland after we had finally managed to achieve more normal relations with them is fairly ugly collateral damage.
 
MoskvaRed said:
As O'Toole says, it sounds like the UK government are positioning themselves for the blame game when border checks go back up. Either that or they are complete idiots who have yet to grasp the point that an open border between one country in the customs union and one outside involves squaring a circle.
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Farage said what is wrong about the uk turning its back on northern ireland. Alternatively ireland could turn its back at the eu
 
devilish said:
Farage said what is wrong about the uk turning its back on northern ireland. Alternatively ireland could turn its back at the eu
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More wonderfully sensitive and practical ideas from Nigel. I look forward to the biopic that they are making about him. It's a shame Dickie Attenborough died, he could have directed it as a companion piece to Gandhi, leading his country to freedom.
 
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