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Sounds like it'll completely feck workers. Us unilaterally removing tariffs doesn't mean the rest of the world does the same thing. Imports go down, exports go up. Are we going to devalue the pound further to compensate?
 
Silva said:
Sounds like it'll completely feck workers. Us unilaterally removing tariffs doesn't mean the rest of the world does the same thing. Imports go down, exports go up. Are we going to devalue the pound further to compensate?
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Minford was Thatcher's favourite economist. He'll view the workers being put in their place as a bonus.
 
So the biggest market for our products - the EU, is going to send everthing tariff free and allow us to do the same ? Why didn't everyone else think of that ?
 
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Please please please all have a read of this

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86577

Written by Richard North today
North was previously research director in the European Parliament for the now-defunct political grouping Europe of Democracies and Diversities, which included the UK Independence Party (UKIP).
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It has some fantastic quips and interesting bits and bobs
If this is being glossed over by the UK media, though, the growing legion of complications has not entirely evaded the Irish Times. There, Chris Johns writes of the UK's stance being "madness without method". As a matter of EU law, he observes, all of the infrastructure necessary to police this new customs frontier between the EU and the rest of the world would have to be placed on the Irish side of the Border.

"Think about that for a second and appreciate the ironies", he says, "the discomfort and the expense. All of the border checks inside the Republic. Nothing on the UK side".

Somebody in Whitehall, he suggests, "is willing to bet that the Government will put pressure on Brussels to compromise, to do anything to avoid this outcome". He thus asks whether the British have finally discovered some negotiating leverage.

The tack has changed towards minimising the costs by changing as little as possible, giving the world (not just the EU) tariff-free access to the British economy and dumping all of the consequential blame on Brussels. "This could, at a very long stretch", concludes John, "be described as a well thought out strategy but for one simple problem: it's nuts".
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There is talk, therefore, of Macron punching numbers into a special, wide-screen version of his calculator, ready to present the UK with a bill that will dwarf the amount expected from Brussels by way of a financial settlement. By the time all the Member States have added theirs (not forgetting that air freight also has to be processed), we are looking at three figures, with a billion attached to it.
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Yes because the EU decided to leave the UK and not the other way round. Genius.
 
Stanley Road said:
Liked this article in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...unning-eu-strategy-to-bore-us-into-submission

"Friends often tell me that they know for sure everyone now regrets it, because a cousin went on holiday and moaned about the exchange rate, or some such."
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Stupidest and most lazy article I read in a while. Law is so boring, why we have our Law systems in place? Feudal society would be so much more entertaining or let people make their own trails on the spot! Damn boring acts and legislation boring our lives into death.
 
Plenty are regretting it already though Stan, my own mum for one. It's finally hit her now that her Spanish retirement dream might be at risk (I did warn her) and she's started uttering nonsense about how "they never asked us what we wanted" and "I thought they would take a Norway type deal with free movement still". Which is bollocks by the way, I told her at the time exactly what she was voting for but she got swept up in the Farage and Boris show.
 
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Rajma said:
Stupidest and most lazy article I read in a while. Law is so boring, why we have our Law systems in place? Feudal society would be so much more entertaining or let people make their own trails on the spot! Damn boring acts and legislation boring our lives into death.
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Feudal societies had plenty of laws, our current legal system comes from them.
 
I often wonder if the eu even want a deal with the uk. Maybe these unrealistic demands are a way for the uk government to take the hint and feck off.
 
Stanley Road said:
"There are no winners in this, only losers"

Donald Tusk
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There wont be any winners in this story. However, sometimes its worth ending up with a sprained ankle if it means removing an enormous and annoying stumbling block out of the way

Hushing the british up from interfering in europe affairs ever again might be worth the hassle
 
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Plenty are regretting it already though Stan, my own mum for one. It's finally hit her now that her Spanish retirement dream might be at risk (I did warn her) and she's started uttering nonsense about how "they never asked us what we wanted" and "I thought they would take a Norway type deal with free movement still". Which is bollocks by the way, I told her at the time exactly what she was voting for but she got swept up in the Farage and Boris show.
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Preach
 
Nothing new there. We've always known Theresa was an incompetent HS and this just proves it. Don't expect this to get any headlines on the BBC.
 
I have often wondered how the UK keeps tabs of who leaves the country. At the airports of practically every other country, when you leave that country (or the Schengen zone), you go through passport control. In the UK, they never check. The ONS stats above suggests they just guess who stays and who leaves.
 
MoskvaRed said:
I have often wondered how the UK keeps tabs of who leaves the country. At the airports of practically every other country, when you leave that country (or the Schengen zone), you go through passport control. In the UK, they never check. The ONS stats above suggests they just guess who stays and who leaves.
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the airlines have your passport details. when you scan your boarding pass they can track that, of course they know.
 
Massive Spanner said:
the airlines have your passport details. when you scan your boarding pass they can track that, of course they know.
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If they have that arrangement with the airlines for information to be forwarded, then fair enough but I am still curious why no other country I know (which have the same boarding pass issuance and scan process) dispenses with the formal passport control check.
 
MoskvaRed said:
If they have that arrangement with the airlines for information to be forwarded, then fair enough but I am still curious why no other country I know (which have the same boarding pass issuance and scan process) dispenses with the formal passport control check.
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The border control must have been recording it as it's all scanned digitally, I assume they just never did anything with it due to bureaucratic incompetence. They finally started checking the info from airlines in April of last year, prior to that the airlines were responsible for checking the passport details of the travelers mostly to ensure they were eligible to enter the country of destination so they would not be liable.

The UKPA started asking for the API (Advanced Passenger Information) for all departing passengers on April the 1st last year as the Channel Tunnel and ferries suddenly changed their rules requiring you to submit your details ahead of check in. They still only do it one way though which surprises me, we traveled out and back with different passengers this week but they didn't want to know who we were bringing back into the country officially and only questioned us at the border point as our niece is only 16 and had a different surname to the other passengers.
 
MoskvaRed said:
If they have that arrangement with the airlines for information to be forwarded, then fair enough but I am still curious why no other country I know (which have the same boarding pass issuance and scan process) dispenses with the formal passport control check.
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My passport is always checked when I go back to UK, why yours isn't is a mystery
 
Stanley Road said:
and at the boarding gate
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Not really what I had meant in my original post - BA or whoever are not the same as a formal passport control but if the UK government has effectively outsourced this role to the airlines, then maybe they do have day to day control over numbers.
 
MoskvaRed said:
I have often wondered how the UK keeps tabs of who leaves the country. At the airports of practically every other country, when you leave that country (or the Schengen zone), you go through passport control. In the UK, they never check. The ONS stats above suggests they just guess who stays and who leaves.
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The US doesn't do it either.
 
Steven Seagull said:
What airports?
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Whenever I fly from the UK (Ldn, Mcr, Bham, Edn), I don't go through passport control when I leave. Whenever I leave to fly to the UK (from Schengen these days but previously from Russia), I always go through formal passport control. Obviously I do show my passport at some point in the process (whether online check in or at the airline desk) but it's curious there is no "official" check.
 
I once saw a documentary om dutch tv how a reporter got a potential bomb through schipol, via the uk, to new york. Security has flaws everywhere. Simgle out the uk if yoi want tho.
 
Stanley Road said:
I once saw a documentary om dutch tv how a reporter got a potential bomb through schipol, via the uk, to new york. Security has flaws everywhere. Simgle out the uk if yoi want tho.
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You are right about that. I also remember a police officer calmly say that anything can potentially enter the territory, as long as gangsters exist drug, weapons and people will find a way in.
 
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