Brexited | the worst threads live the longest

Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

  • Total voters
    194
  • Poll closed .
jackofalltrades said:
I should have included some left wing socialists in the pro-Brexit group. But as it stands the divisions across the country are reflected in the parties too. The majority of MPs are pro-Remain, but the Tories, having called a referendum and having formed a new government on the basis of Brexit, can hardly backtrack without harming themselves. Their desire to hold on to power is stronger than their patriotism,imo.

Labour has in a similar dilemma. Having won back votes from the very same working class that had felt abandoned by them, they cannot easily now move toward a remain position unless they compensate by offering a great deal.

Both parties have important internal divisons and I do not see how a government of national interest or cross party approach could work.
Click to expand...

Let me put things clear. Its within Tory and national interest that a cross party committee is set up to negotiate Brexit. It would strengthen the UK negotiation hand and it will distribute any blame of a possibly bad Brexit to a number to mainstream politics as a whole.

However assuming a horrible Brexit is imminent that its certainly not within the labour party interest to accept these conditions. A poorer UK which the Tory party and the anti foreign UKIP had single handedly ruined will strengthen the labour party and the left wing politics as a whole. After that disaster and if played well, JC can be in a position were he would label the entire Tory politics as outdated, detrimental and the very reason why the country is in shambles. We're talking here of at least a decade of labour rule here.
 
jackofalltrades said:
I should have included some left wing socialists in the pro-Brexit group. But as it stands the divisions across the country are reflected in the parties too. The majority of MPs are pro-Remain, but the Tories, having called a referendum and having formed a new government on the basis of Brexit, can hardly backtrack without harming themselves. Their desire to hold on to power is stronger than their patriotism,imo.

Labour has in a similar dilemma. Having won back votes from the very same working class that had felt abandoned by them, they cannot easily now move toward a remain position unless they compensate by offering a great deal.

Both parties have important internal divisons and I do not see how a government of national interest or cross party approach could work.
Click to expand...
A cross party coalition on Brexit really was the only way forward. We are talking about something that will affect us for the next 30 years.

But with Labour never having been so far left wing since the early 90's, and arguably the Tories never having been so far right wing since... (arguable), there was little chance of that.
 
rcoobc said:
A cross party coalition on Brexit really was the only way forward. We are talking about something that will affect us for the next 30 years.

But with Labour never having been so far left wing since the early 90's, and arguably the Tories never having been so far right wing since... (arguable), there was little chance of that.
Click to expand...

I agree. This is the battle of ideologies and Brexit will probably determine the new government for at least the next 10 years. The only winner out of this seems to be the EU. It will be dealing with a very weak government who can probably be toppled by simply saying no and send Davis to Westminster empty handed.
 
rcoobc said:
A cross party coalition on Brexit really was the only way forward. We are talking about something that will affect us for the next 30 years.

But with Labour never having been so far left wing since the early 90's, and arguably the Tories never having been so far right wing since... (arguable), there was little chance of that.
Click to expand...
I agree but I would also add that the labour leader is still at odds with many (most?) of his parliamentary party.
 
So when can we expect one of our great leaders to proclaim that "the Emperor is in the altogether!" and seriously suggest a 2nd referendum?

I voted to Remain, however, which 'side' you where on this time last year feels irrelevant now. I think it is quite clear that a 2nd referendum tomorrow would see at least a 10pt swing in favour of Remain

Yet still we are facing the abyss because nobody has the courage to stand up and do the right thing.
 
Choose tory
Choose referendum
Choose brexit
Vote in general election
Choose tory again
Choose indecision
Choose udp
Choose chaos
Choose indecision
Choose wrong unstable leadership......

I chose not to choose tory, i chose something better
 
Lentwood said:
So when can we expect one of our great leaders to proclaim that "the Emperor is in the altogether!" and seriously suggest a 2nd referendum?

I voted to Remain, however, which 'side' you where on this time last year feels irrelevant now. I think it is quite clear that a 2nd referendum tomorrow would see at least a 10pt swing in favour of Remain

Yet still we are facing the abyss because nobody has the courage to stand up and do the right thing.
Click to expand...

As Stanley just alluded to, you're in a country that has willingly voted Tory, Tory, Brexit, Tory. I think it's rather naive to believe Remain would suddenly win comfortably in that context.
 
sullydnl said:
As Stanley just alluded to, you're in a country that has willingly voted Tory, Tory, Brexit, Tory. I think it's rather naive to believe Remain would suddenly win comfortably in that context.
Click to expand...
It is, the country has clearly spoken. They want brexit and they want the udp to deliver it with may calling their shots.
 
“The US has a number of agreements with the EU on on economics, on security, and on trade that the UK is party to at the moment and we will want to ensure we continue those as we leave the EU so there is no disruption to trade and to markets, it is very important that we do so,”

Taking back control and working hard for something you already had. Living the dream.
 
I cannot wait to taste the US's hormone-powered meat. Global Britain will be amazing.
 
Last edited:
Don't we already have a very generous trading relationship with the US? I doubt some extra dealings will compensate for what we're potentially losing out on with the EU.
 
We are bound to back up any military action or threats by the US, in Syria or against North Korea for example, which may get us some kudos.
 
vidic blood & sand said:
You edited it and still got it wrong. I've never been to Canada, and have no intention of living there.
Click to expand...

The first version was telling you to go do what you'd just told us to, but I decided to play nice instead.

vidic blood & sand said:
The constant negativity from all the Guardian reading remainers here is certainly not bringing everyone closer together.
Click to expand...

Why do you imagine we'd want to be close to you?
 
Cheesy said:
Don't we already have a very generous trading relationship with the US? I doubt some extra dealings will compensate for what we're potentially losing out on with the EU.
Click to expand...

Who said anything about not trading freely with Europe?
We've got the opportunity to trade freely with all countries.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.