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The European Union is approaching a crossroads: Britain could choose to faff about whilst paying for things it doesn't much agree with, or break with that flawed status quo. Being somewhere in the middle was part of the problem.
And now we'll be in a position where the EU will take either path and we'll find ourselves having to deal with the end result, even if it's not one we don't like.
I'm wary of complete integration to the point where all power is centralised in Brussels but, again, it takes a long, long way for it to actually get there considering most countries have a veto on major matters. And getting, say, all 27 member states to agree on essentially becoming one, unified central state would be completely impossible, at least for a long, long time anyway. It's the EU general goal, yes, but I think it's fundamentally unachievable.
I get the feeling such comments are going to be ones we'll see for decades to come. Those who dislike the EU will perpetually argue it's on the verge of becoming this one big state...but then this is another area where Brexiteers arguments inherently become muddled...since they like to argue that the EU is both this big, bad centralised power that reduces the autonomy of its member nations...but that it's also simultaneously a bureaucratic mess where nothing can get done. I'm not saying you necessarily think that, but it probably does apply in a lot of cases.
For what it's worth, I do think there's some things we were never particularly on board with in the EU, and that probably contributed to our exit. We were never keen on the Euro, and were naturally less receptive of free movement because unlike nations such as France and Germany, we've never really been in a position where we're situated right beside multiple other member states, meaning free movement was more of a necessity. Plus the damage inflicted upon us during World War II was minimal compared to several other nations, and the need to find something that could create unity and prevent that all from happening again was never quite there. But then again...we weren't forced to take the Euro, and would've been likely able to prevent further integration by vetoing certain legislation.
I doubt Brexit will solve a lot tbh, for those who want it to happen. Once it's all said and done those who feel disillusioned with Britain in its current state and who feels things need to change will probably find something else they don't like, and they'll still be perpetually annoyed, whether it be to Brexit not being what they expected it to be, or the deal not being good enough, or something like that. And for it's worth I'm not convinced it's be something particularly crippling or awful for our economy either (more pointless and resulting in instability) but I expect we'll look back on the whole thing in a few years and wonder why we bothered.
Hell, we've already seen a lot of that disillusion seep in already. Leave won...but if you listened to figures like Farage, you wouldn't really know. He's still always unhappy about something, and still always ranting, complaining and full of discontent. As are plenty of Brexiters.