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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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The European Union is approaching a crossroads: Britain could choose to faff about whilst paying for things it doesn't much agree with, or break with that flawed status quo. Being somewhere in the middle was part of the problem.

And now we'll be in a position where the EU will take either path and we'll find ourselves having to deal with the end result, even if it's not one we don't like.

I'm wary of complete integration to the point where all power is centralised in Brussels but, again, it takes a long, long way for it to actually get there considering most countries have a veto on major matters. And getting, say, all 27 member states to agree on essentially becoming one, unified central state would be completely impossible, at least for a long, long time anyway. It's the EU general goal, yes, but I think it's fundamentally unachievable.

I get the feeling such comments are going to be ones we'll see for decades to come. Those who dislike the EU will perpetually argue it's on the verge of becoming this one big state...but then this is another area where Brexiteers arguments inherently become muddled...since they like to argue that the EU is both this big, bad centralised power that reduces the autonomy of its member nations...but that it's also simultaneously a bureaucratic mess where nothing can get done. I'm not saying you necessarily think that, but it probably does apply in a lot of cases.

For what it's worth, I do think there's some things we were never particularly on board with in the EU, and that probably contributed to our exit. We were never keen on the Euro, and were naturally less receptive of free movement because unlike nations such as France and Germany, we've never really been in a position where we're situated right beside multiple other member states, meaning free movement was more of a necessity. Plus the damage inflicted upon us during World War II was minimal compared to several other nations, and the need to find something that could create unity and prevent that all from happening again was never quite there. But then again...we weren't forced to take the Euro, and would've been likely able to prevent further integration by vetoing certain legislation.

I doubt Brexit will solve a lot tbh, for those who want it to happen. Once it's all said and done those who feel disillusioned with Britain in its current state and who feels things need to change will probably find something else they don't like, and they'll still be perpetually annoyed, whether it be to Brexit not being what they expected it to be, or the deal not being good enough, or something like that. And for it's worth I'm not convinced it's be something particularly crippling or awful for our economy either (more pointless and resulting in instability) but I expect we'll look back on the whole thing in a few years and wonder why we bothered.

Hell, we've already seen a lot of that disillusion seep in already. Leave won...but if you listened to figures like Farage, you wouldn't really know. He's still always unhappy about something, and still always ranting, complaining and full of discontent. As are plenty of Brexiters.
 
Brexit is probably one of the strangest phenomenons I have seen in Politics.

The experts, for the sake of independence let's use, for example, the Governor of the Bank of England, are lining up to tell us this will be a disaster. The people who championed Brexit to further their own Political careers - never thinking for a moment they would win, are now shitting themselves and have crawled back into their holes desperately trying to avoid being smeared by the inevitable fallout.

Yet still there are people that won't give it up. Despite not actually being able to tell us why being out of the EU will help us in any way shape or form.

I don't think I have ever before seen people just continue to look at white and call it black. Anyone think of any other cases where this has happened?
 
Brexit is probably one of the strangest phenomenons I have seen in Politics.

The experts, for the sake of independence let's use, for example, the Governor of the Bank of England, are lining up to tell us this will be a disaster. The people who championed Brexit to further their own Political careers - never thinking for a moment they would win, are now shitting themselves and have crawled back into their holes desperately trying to avoid being smeared by the inevitable fallout.

Yet still there are people that won't give it up. Despite not actually being able to tell us why being out of the EU will help us in any way shape or form.

I don't think I have ever before seen people just continue to look at white and call it black. Anyone think of any other cases where this has happened?

In the not too distant past, there was once a country that thought they were superior to others, who blamed their woes on foreigners and created a mass hysteria among the population into believing that their empire would last a thousand years.
 
In the not too distant past, there was once a country that thought they were superior to others, who blamed their woes on foreigners and created a mass hysteria among the population into believing that their empire would last a thousand years.
It might have failed in the short run but that countries plan seems to have worked after all.
 
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Good to know you can see both sides. :)

I am still waiting to hear what the argument of the other side is! :-)

I attended a debate with the owner of my former company who is a very successful businessman and prominent Brexit campaigner - was all over the news and radio stations in the run up to the referendum

I was genuinely hoping to hear some salient points on why we would be better off outside the EU. I thought he was going to tell us how his businesses would benefit from a Leave vote and how many other businesses would too. After his opening monologue and a few flimsy stabs at answering simple questions his argument basically became...."let's roll the dice...why not, be bold.... you know it's all just a German conspiracy to take control of Europe after they lost WW2"

That's just one example but I could go on and on

Edit: In fact, there is one good reason - you acknowledge that leaving the EU would be bad for the UK but good for the world's poorer countries who sit outside and can't get decent trade deals. Other than that, still waiting
 
Brexiters have had it easy because until now their shtick has simply been to accuse anyone who thinks it mightn't be brilliant as an unpatriotic 'remoaner'. Now negotiations have started it'll be harder to hide behind bravado.

Not sure 'let's be patriotic and get behind Britain', is going to cut much mustard once it becomes clear it's all going horrible wrong and David Davis is out of his depth.
 
I am still waiting to hear what the argument of the other side is! :-)

I attended a debate with the owner of my former company who is a very successful businessman and prominent Brexit campaigner - was all over the news and radio stations in the run up to the referendum

I was genuinely hoping to hear some salient points on why we would be better off outside the EU. I thought he was going to tell us how his businesses would benefit from a Leave vote and how many other businesses would too. After his opening monologue and a few flimsy stabs at answering simple questions his argument basically became...."let's roll the dice...why not, be bold.... you know it's all just a German conspiracy to take control of Europe after they lost WW2"

That's just one example but I could go on and on

Edit: In fact, there is one good reason - you acknowledge that leaving the EU would be bad for the UK but good for the world's poorer countries who sit outside and can't get decent trade deals. Other than that, still waiting
Tell him about our fruit n veg in Holland, good price, good size, good tariffs. Cheaper than europen shite.
 
Brexiters have had it easy because until now their shtick has simply been to accuse anyone who thinks it mightn't be brilliant as an unpatriotic 'remoaner'. Now negotiations have started it'll be harder to hide behind

Not sure 'let's be patriotic and get behind Britain', is going to cut much mustard once it becomes clear it's all going horrible wrong and David Davis is out of his depth.

Cheaper food products from around the world.

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I'm sure buying non-EU phones at 15-20% higher prices due to the £ going south against the $ and € will make it great for British consumers.
 
Has anyone read All Out War by Tim Shipman?

Really, really good and balanced account of the whole referendum and its immediate aftermath. Would highly recommend for anyone interested in finding out more about how we got here, and the roles different people played.