Corbyn seemed ok with it, but wished it had been proposed last year. I agree with him about that (cant believe I agree with him about something).
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Corbyn seemed ok with it, but wished it had been proposed last year. I agree with him about that (cant believe I agree with him about something).
Yeah he liked the investment side of it.
Source?
It doesn't matter whether Corbyn agrees or not, remember I don't like May or Corbyn
The EU don't and will not agree. If May doesn't totally change her outlook the Uk have no chance of any deal
It is even worse than I thought a few days ago.
It is less than nothing.
So May's brilliant proposal is that I have to reapply for settled status even though I got a permanent residence card last week. And I am one of the easiest cases of those 3.2m. What a joke of a woman.
The problem with you is that you only see doom and gloom.
If the Tory's agree with the EU on anything, they are capitulating, and if they disagree with the EU on anything, they're wrong to do so.
You seriously need to stop going down on EU cock, and have more faith in what this country can achieve.
She is a moron and will sell her soul to the devil if it means clinging on to another minute of power
I have no faith in this country. I have no faith in its leaders, nor its people.
This is not how I understood it.
If you have a permanent resident card, you are already assured of staying.
It is not a question of doom and gloom, it's about living in the real world and not in the world of some fantasy.
It's obvious the EU will not agree to this, it's obvious the UK is not going to get a deal unless they accept the terms.
Just posturing is not going to change this.
So why does he have to apply for settled status, because it's not automatic
You are not concerned by that. Basically May pointed to the actual british laws.
Edit: You applied for indefinite leave to remain in the UK?
These are perfect lyrics for a new Adele song. Send this to her.
May I ask you if you have to pay anything for your residence card ?
I believe that EU nationals apply for permanent residency cards in order to become British citizens. He may not be an EU national, I don't know.
If he wasn't an EU citizen then Brexit would not affect him. Permanent residency is not the same as citizenship. He can remain a citizen of the country of his birth and have permanent residency of the UK
I've decided to stop trying to actually hope for any sort of sense, and just sit back and laugh as it blows up in our faces
Yup, it's not like I spent months getting the other one... I have hated May since I first saw her face but she is proving every bit EU citizen's version of Maggie Thatcher.
No, I applied for a document certifying permanent residence in the UK which is the equivalent to what you are pointing to for EU citizens. I wanted and needed the document, so I can apply for British citizenship. I haven't done it yet because my priorities have changed and it costs £1.5k
I paid £65 and wasted a lot of nerves as well as spending a solid 1.5 months of prepping for the whole malarkey.
Yes, but a permanent residency card is required to then apply for British citizenship. If people meet the criteria within the five year period, they receive British citizenship.
The whole idea behind May's proposal was to give these kind of people assurance. Something that May and the EU should have established last year.
You can have residency without becoming a British citizen, not everyone residing in Britain from the EU wants to become a British citizen, the same as not every British citizen living in an EU country necessarily wants to become a citizen of that country.
My French wife lived 32 years in the UK but remained French, I have lived 10 years in France and have applied for French nationality which I should get within a year but so many applications from British people have probably prolonged the process, normally would have taken a few months.
What the EU offers gives certainty, what May has offered offers zero certainty and she has announced this two weeks after the EU offer.
Another obvious outcome.
Yeah, I'd already read it. I was just trying to work out how on earth he'd got what he said from what Adams did.
It's best to put the frame. These discussions mainly concerns people who are from the EU AND have less than 5 years in the UK or didn't apply for a permanent or long term residency. People from outside the EU aren't concerned.
It's kind of his specialty, it's a rare talent.
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen 
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen
These people always excised. Brexit, and the conservative party, have given them a voice.
Seeing that she now has to find 1,5 billion extra it wouldn't surprise me if the new one cost more.
What I understand from what May has said today, is that anyone who is currently a legal resident in the UK who has been here 5 years, will be allowed to stay permanently, and those who have not yet reached the threshold, will be allowed complete the requirements for permanent residency. I haven't read what the EU has proposed for British citizens living in EU countries, and so am unable to compare proposals.
Obviously the one part that the UK was always going to struggle with, was EU citizens rights protected by the ECJ. This would be complicated.
We now have to see how the EU responds, whether they flat out reject May's proposal, or negotiate a compromise.
This is the boat that I am in I have lived for roughly 30 years in Germany and dont have a clue what is going to happen in all honesty I do not want German Nationality plus if I did what would happen after Brexit would I be able to keep both or would I have to choose, all this dithering is slowly starting to grate.
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen
If suffering a recession led to long term prosperity, it's worth it.
Women choose to go in to labour to a give a child life. There very well may be some birth pains while leaving the EU, but hopefully it'll all be worth it.
Someone just said on the BBC they are willing to go into a recession for Brexit to happen
I think this may be the last referendum we have for a long long time.
Direct democracy can only function in a situation where the masses are educated, interested in learning the facts and provided with good quality information to make the decision based on. Brexit referendum has shown that every area of society is not suited for direct democracy- the emotional arguments, nationalism, the ignorance, the outright lies from the press and the political classes- 'people are fed up with experts', the people who didn't realise it would actually happen if they voted to leave! (yes there were people that stupid).
In 100 years people will look back at this and wonder how such a madness took over a country.
You also realise that May hasn't even worked her proposal all out yet, probably not bothering because she know it will be rejected. It's going to be go back and try again, dear
Yes the ECJ will be a sticking point but then if a deal is to be done in the future, the ECJ will loom it's head again anyway as it will for services , banking and so on.
No ECJ = no dice.
As long as Germany doesn't refuse dual nationality , you could keep both.
May wants to use EU and British citizens as pawns as we all knew she would and she will string this uncertainty out as long as she can.
I intended to keep both nationalities but I'm so disgusted with the whole thing I'm now seriously thinking of dropping my British nationality once I've got French nationality.
I pity the people who have been put in such awful predicaments
So it was you on the BBC.
What is this vision you see that is worth all this pain?
Lots of fish and fewer accents, I'd imagine.
Not sure what you're saying here. I have been in the UK as an EU resident for 5+ years and have a document to prove it. I will still, under Theresa DisMay's plans, have to apply for a document to prove 'settled' status. This is certainly on topic for me.
I think the main problem, as I said the other day, is that May's proposal has shown the EU our intention of ending/restricting free movement. And so, obviously the EU will be unable to agree with May's current proposal because of the implications of not embracing the four freedoms, and how that may impact trade. It just goes to show that David Davis was right when he said that negotiations will have to be in parallel because they are entwined.
Let's say that the EU does agree with May's proposal, they would then effectively be agreeing that the UK is going to restrict free movement of EU nationals. If this fact is established in order to give EU nationals assurance, it would be stupid to then change their mind after.
The subject of free movement is going to be the one sticking point through this whole process I reckon.
What I'm telling you is that you are among the people that aren't concerned by the problem because you can already put yourself in a settled position by applying for Citizenship or you can wait and "automatically" be upgraded to settled status. The people who are going to have problems are the ones that haven't reached 5 years in 2019.
You can have duel citizenship from Germany as long as its with another EU country. So if you do it before Brexit you're fine, if you wait until afterwards you could be fecked.
I think May said that these people were able to apply for an extension.
Who said it was going to be automatic?