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[711]

Can Scotland leave the uk whenever they want?

I can't imagine what you thought the independence referendum was about? A second one is on the way, Westminster has accepted that, there is merely argument about the timing in relation to Brexit, and being so soon after the last one. This gives you the gist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39264468.

 

[devilish]

I can't imagine what you thought the independence referendum was about? A second one is on the way, Westminster has accepted that, there is merely argument about the timing in relation to Brexit, and being so soon after the last one. This gives you the gist: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39264468.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-why-scotland-will-not-get-an-independence-referendum-2016-6

"First things first: Scotland may have its own parliament, but to hold a national referendum it still needs permission from Westminster in London."

 

[Kentonio]

Definitely, absolutely no companies are going to leave the UK because of Brexit of course...

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/man-to-move-180-million-business-to-spain/

 

[711]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-why-scotland-will-not-get-an-independence-referendum-2016-6

"First things first: Scotland may have its own parliament, but to hold a national referendum it still needs permission from Westminster in London."

I'd read it again mate. The author is obviously opposed to independence, which is fair enough, but all he says is Westminster could refuse a referendum, which is true in itself, but they didn't the last time the Scottish government asked for one, and they won't this time. The only argument has been about the timing. If you think about it then consistently refusing a referendum requested by an elected Scottish government would be the best way you possible of bringing that very independence about.

For a supposed student of history, government and most certainly empire you're not understanding this at all, sorry.

 

[endless_wheelies]

Definitely, absolutely no companies are going to leave the UK because of Brexit of course...

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/man-to-move-180-million-business-to-spain/

Read the comments. Denial is all they have but it's inexhaustible.

 

[Kentonio]

Read the comments. Denial is all they have but it's inexhaustible.

I'm expecting the Daily Mail to track down that company and run frontpage stories about them being potential terrorists and about how their product cause cancer.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I'd read it again mate. The author is obviously opposed to independence, which is fair enough, but all he says is Westminster could refuse a referendum, which is true in itself, but they didn't the last time the Scottish government asked for one, and they won't this time. The only argument has been about the timing. If you think about it then consistently refusing a referendum requested by an elected Scottish government would be the best way you possible of bringing that very independence about.

For a supposed student of history, government and most certainly empire you're not understanding this at all, sorry.

Sorry but I think you're missing devilish's point. To get a referendum Scotland needs permission from Westminster to hold that referendum. Whether it's right, wrong or whatever is beside the point. The Uk didn't have to ask the EU's permission to hold a referendum nor did they have to ask the EU's permission to hand in their resignation letter.

 

[Full bodied red]

I'm expecting the Daily Mail to track down that company and run frontpage stories about them being potential terrorists and about how their product cause cancer.

Come on....You're better than that !

 

[devilish]

I'd read it again mate. The author is obviously opposed to independence, which is fair enough, but all he says is Westminster could refuse a referendum, which is true in itself, but they didn't the last time the Scottish government asked for one, and they won't this time. The only argument has been about the timing. If you think about it then consistently refusing a referendum requested by an elected Scottish government would be the best way you possible of bringing that very independence about.

For a supposed student of history, government and most certainly empire you're not understanding this at all, sorry.

All i am saying is that unlike the uk countries within the eu are free to leave whenever they want and without anyones permission

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Read the comments. Denial is all they have but it's inexhaustible.

I quite liked this comment:
"Selfish well this has been happening in my area for the last 4 yrs 6 factories have closed & jobs moved to Italy or Hungary so thats why most of swansea voted out as they are trying to protect jobs for their children "

 

[711]

Sorry but I think you're missing devilish's point. To get a referendum Scotland needs permission from Westminster to hold that referendum. Whether it's right, wrong or whatever is beside the point. The Uk didn't have to ask the EU's permission to hold a referendum nor did they have to ask the EU's permission to hand in their resignation letter.

All i am saying is that unlike the uk countries within the eu are free to leave whenever they want and without anyones permission

Well yes that's true, as they are sovereign nations. Scotland is not a sovereign nation at the moment, but if they had voted to be so in the fairly recent referendum then they would be. They chose not themselves.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I don't think anyone is expecting a free ride.

Some are expecting more than a free ride.

On another matter, a little bird tells me you're off to Brazil, not sticking around to witness the amazing success of Brexit?

 

[Zarlak]

After the Brexit result, the UK should have got their shit together and they should have come out with a solid and realistic plan of action.

No, all of this should have been done before any referendum was offered. In no other walk of life do you tell somebody you're voting on whether to seriously impact their future but you're not going to actually come up with any ideas on how to make things better for them until after you've impacted them.

 

[devilish]

Well yes that's true, as they are sovereign nations. Scotland is not a sovereign nation at the moment, but if they had voted to be so in the fairly recent referendum then they would be. They chose not themselves.

Should countries like Scotland be treated as souvereign nations though? I mean Scotland is a big country. There's smaller countries within the eu who are treated with far more respect

 

[Full bodied red]

No, all of this should have been done before any referendum was offered. In no other walk of life do you tell somebody you're voting on whether to seriously impact their future but you're not going to actually come up with any ideas on how to make things better for them until after you've impacted them.

I think you can blame Call Me Dave and Gideon for that - they had 12 months between promising a referendum and holding the referendum and preparing a plan just in case....

 

[711]

Should countries like Scotland be treated as souvereign nations though? I mean Scotland is a big country. There's smaller countries within the eu who are treated with far more respect

They can be a sovereign nation if they want, they've had one chance and they'll get another. I'm afraid the respect thing is just your personal problem with the British, in actuality Scotland has had a favourable financial deal through the Barnett formula, more MPs in Westminster per head and so on. I'm sure you'd like to portray it as being subjugated by the evil empire but it just ain't so.

For what it's worth I'm part Scottish, and if I had a vote I would vote for independence even though it would cost financially. I just haven't had a vote because I don't live in Scotland.

 

[Full bodied red]

I'm expecting the Daily Mail to track down that company and run frontpage stories about them being potential terrorists and about how their product cause cancer.

I thought I'd save the Daily HateMail the trouble.

So I Googled - Truck refridgeration unit maufacturers UK -and you'd think that any company 'worth £180 million' would be fairly high up the Google list.

In fact, you get to Page 20 and there's still only three UK suppliers of refridgerated unts for trucks - one of which is actually owned by an Italan company and imports into the UK units manufactured at its factory in Italy.

Which leaves two -

https://www.hubbard.co.uk/ - which seem to make more than refridgerated units for trucks, and are moving to a new site in the UK, not Spain, or this one,

http://www.solomoncommercials.co.uk - who also do a lot more than manufacture just the refridgeration units.

Wonder which one it is ?

And lucky people leaving Ipswich or Rossendale ( of all places ! ) to go and live in Spain, especially as Labour rates in Spain are hugely less than UK and yet this anonymous guy is taking them all with him instead of employing cheaper Spanish labour when he gets there.

I'll bet 50 / 50 this call was a hoax.

 

[Zarlak]

I think you can blame Call Me Dave and Gideon for that - they had 12 months between promising a referendum and holding the referendum and preparing a plan just in case....

You can blame the ones campaigning for it. It was them asking us to place our trust in them.

 

[Full bodied red]

You can blame the ones campaigning for it. It was them asking us to place our trust in them.

I stand to be corrected, but as best as I can remember, none of them were Government ministers at the time and so had no opportunity / government resources to put a plan together.

The three most senior Ministers who should have been putting a plan together were Cameron, Osborn and May but they seemed to spend all their time putting Project Fear together.

 

[Silva]

I stand to be corrected, but as best as I can remember, none of them were Government ministers at the time and so had no opportunity / government resources to put a plan together.

The three most senior Ministers who should have been putting a plan together were Cameron, Osborn and May but they seemed to spend all their time putting Project Fear together.

Pretty sure Gove was a government minister. But hey, why let facts get in the way when someone else is meant to pick up after you anyway.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I stand to be corrected, but as best as I can remember, none of them were Government ministers at the time and so had no opportunity / government resources to put a plan together.

The three most senior Ministers who should have been putting a plan together were Cameron, Osborn and May but they seemed to spend all their time putting Project Fear together.

Gove and Leadsom were. If the others weren't qualified then why listen to them. Since day 1 it was obvious it was all bs and they had no idea what to do if Leave won the vote and they still don't.
In addition to that, nearly another 12 months have passed since the vote, do you actually think they have a plan now other than "we want the same benefits but no immigrants and no contributions".

 

[Rams]

They can be a sovereign nation if they want, they've had one chance and they'll get another. I'm afraid the respect thing is just your personal problem with the British, in actuality Scotland has had a favourable financial deal through the Barnett formula, more MPs in Westminster per head and so on. I'm sure you'd like to portray it as being subjugated by the evil empire but it just ain't so.

For what it's worth I'm part Scottish, and if I had a vote I would vote for independence even though it would cost financially. I just haven't had a vote because I don't live in Scotland.

The point is though that in order for Scotland to become independent they would require permission from Westminster. The Scottish parliament even require permission to hold a referendum. Those are the plain hard facts, end of!

 

[711]

The point is though that in order for Scotland to become independent they would require permission from Westminster. The Scottish parliament even require permission to hold a referendum. Those are the plain hard facts, end of!

Of course, that's a statement of the bleeding obvious. It's the inference that permission would be denied that I question. There has been one referendum, and if the SNP remain in power in Scotland there will be another. (end of my arse).

 

[Zarlak]

I stand to be corrected, but as best as I can remember, none of them were Government ministers at the time and so had no opportunity / government resources to put a plan together.

The three most senior Ministers who should have been putting a plan together were Cameron, Osborn and May but they seemed to spend all their time putting Project Fear together.

That is a terrible excuse. By that logic do the opposing party not make any plans or manifestos until after the election because they're not in power at the time? You know that's not true.

 

[Full bodied red]

Gove and Leadsom were. If the others weren't qualified then why listen to them. Since day 1 it was obvious it was all bs and they had no idea what to do if Leave won the vote and they still don't.
In addition to that, nearly another 12 months have passed since the vote, do you actually think they have a plan now other than "we want the same benefits but no immigrants and no contributions".


Davis, Johnson and Fox were not ministers in the Cameron Government and they're ones who had to pick up the pieces when Cameron piss*d off..

The ministers who campaigned for BREXIT were Grayling, Smith, Villiers, Whittingdale, Patel and Gove. Grayling and Patel are still ministers, the others not. Whether Smith, Villiers, Whittingdale and Gove have been allowed to 'join in' to help the Government since May took over, I've no idea.



That is a terrible excuse. By that logic do the opposing party not make any plans or manifestos until after the election because they're not in power at the time? You know that's not true.

All political manifestos are bollocks - they always just say this is what we're going to do, never how.

And as I said to Paul, Cameron made sure that the ministers supporting BREXIT were disadvantaged.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...xit-ministers-denied-access-government-papers

edited to change paywall link

 

[Zarlak]

Gove and Leadsom were. If the others weren't qualified then why listen to them. Since day 1 it was obvious it was all bs and they had no idea what to do if Leave won the vote and they still don't.
In addition to that, nearly another 12 months have passed since the vote, do you actually think they have a plan now other than "we want the same benefits but no immigrants and no contributions".


Davis, Johnson and Fox were not ministers in the Cameron Government and they're ones who had to pick up the pieces when Cameron piss*d off..

The ministers who campaigned for BREXIT were Grayling, Smith, Villiers, Whittingdale, Patel and Gove. Grayling and Patel are still ministers, the others not. Whether Smith, Villiers, Whittingdale and Gove have been allowed to 'join in' to help the Government since May took over, I've no idea.



That is a terrible excuse. By that logic do the opposing party not make any plans or manifestos until after the election because they're not in power at the time? You know that's not true.

All political manifestos are bollocks - they always just say this is what we're going to do, never how.

And as I said to Paul, Cameron made sure that the ministers supporting BREXIT were disadvantaged.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...xit-ministers-denied-access-government-papers

edited to change paywall link

You're grasping at straws. They possessed the knowledge to put together a plan to present to us before asking us to vote on it. It's a weak excuse to say they shouldn't have actually known how to do what they were asking us to vote for them to do until afterwards. In all walks of life a sane person works out the details and the plan before they take the plunge and/or put the steps in motion.

 

[Full bodied red]

You're grasping at straws. They possessed the knowledge to put together o no amount of plans ans da plan to present to us before asking us to vote on it. It's a weak excuse to say they shouldn't have actually known how to do what they were asking us to vote for them to do until afterwards. In all walks of life a sane person works out the details and the plan before they take the plunge and/or put the steps in motion.

We're talking about politicians - not sane people !

Anyway, no doubt you are a convinced, 101% REMAINER, so no amount of detailed plans would have convinced you to vote leave.

REMAINERS' only plan was ' More of the same ' which, unfortunately for you, the majority of people in the UK didn't want.

You're the one grasping at straws mate....Maybe tell us what you would have put in either plan, REMAIN or LEAVE as you say LEAVERS didn't have a plan and I'll tell you REMAINERS didn't have a plan either once the EU had told Cameron to feck off.

 

[NinjaFletch]

We're talking about politicians - not sane people !

Anyway, no doubt you are a convinced, 101% REMAINER, so no amount of detailed plans would have convinced you to vote leave.

REMAINERS' only plan was ' More of the same ' which, unfortunately for you, the majority of people in the UK didn't want.

You're the one grasping at straws mate....Maybe tell us what you would have put in either plan, REMAIN or LEAVE as you say LEAVERS didn't have a plan and I'll tell you REMAINERS didn't have a plan either once the EU had told Cameron to feck off.

So seeing as you didn't want that why did you vote to give more power to the UK government and are, if you believe polls, about to vote in the biggest representation of the status quo in the entire goddamn country?

 

[Full bodied red]

I didn't vote conservative - never would, never have - and don't understand why May has called another election.

To me it's a huge gamble / mistake. It gives all the hardline REMAINERS a chance to vote LibDem, ScotNat, Green, etc, who just seem intent on derailing BREXIT

 

[Zarlak]

We're talking about politicians - not sane people !

Anyway, no doubt you are a convinced, 101% REMAINER, so no amount of detailed plans would have convinced you to vote leave.

REMAINERS' only plan was ' More of the same ' which, unfortunately for you, the majority of people in the UK didn't want.

You're the one grasping at straws mate....Maybe tell us what you would have put in either plan, REMAIN or LEAVE as you say LEAVERS didn't have a plan and I'll tell you REMAINERS didn't have a plan either once the EU had told Cameron to feck off.

This entire post is conjecture. Tells me all I need to know really.

 

[Full bodied red]

This entire post is conjecture. Tells me all I need to know really.

The result of the referendum is hardly conjecture.

So what would you have put in either plan ??

 

[Chorley1974]

It certainly helped rally the troops. In less then 2 years the uk will be gone. All those inside the eu might differ in opinion but at least they give a damn of europe and they wants the project to succeed. None of them see a unified europe as a threat and none of them see the US (ie an EU rival) as a bigger ally then europe itself

Theres a reason why obama wanted the uk to remain in the eu. You were their mouthpiece and their veto vote. Without the uk around, the eu can start its reforms without encountering unneccessary resistance

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.po...rade-germany-pushes-for-post-brexit-deal/amp/

So we can assume more centralised EU government? Great for Germany and France.

 

[devilish]

So we can assume more centralised EU government? Great for Germany and France.

Its great for any country who don't employ clowns as politicians and expect their economy to just work. Malta is having the best time of its time within the EU

 

[Full bodied red]

Its great for any country who don't employ clowns as politicians and expect their economy to just work. Malta is having the best time of its time within the EU

No bloody wonder.

http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=MT

 

[Abizzz]

No bloody wonder.

http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=MT

So they're having their best time because of 23€ per person per year?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

So they're having their best time because of 23€ per person per year?

Yeah but the Brits will be (theoretically) about £4 a head per week better off if they pay nothing- providing the exchange rate and inflation doesn't swallow that up that is - damn it's already gone! Oops.

 

[Full bodied red]

So they're having their best time because of 23€ per person per year?

I was referring to the €500 million....A lot of money for a country the size of Malta....

 

[Stanley Road]

Its great for any country who don't employ clowns as politicians and expect their economy to just work. Malta is having the best time of its time within the EU

Which eu countries have employed clowns and are and arent doing great in the eu?

Malta is a tax haven, should be doing well, fully approved by JC Junk,

 

[P-Ro]

I didn't vote conservative - never would, never have - and don't understand why May has called another election.

To me it's a huge gamble / mistake. It gives all the hardline REMAINERS a chance to vote LibDem, ScotNat, Green, etc, who just seem intent on derailing BREXIT

She called it because her majority is so thin that she is getting fisted by the non-blairite tories like Peter Bone, Duncan Smith, the Moggster etc to deliver propper conservative proposals. Theresa May and the majority of the tory leadership are determined to shift the party further to the left and will do so once they increase their majority by getting prospective tory blairites to win seats off the labour party's blairites.

 

[Dobba]

She called it because her majority is so thin that she is getting fisted by the non-blairite tories like Peter Bone, Duncan Smith, the Moggster etc to deliver propper conservative proposals. Theresa May and the majority of the tory leadership are determined to shift the party further to the left and will do so once they increase their majority by getting prospective tory blairites to win seats off the labour party's blairites.

It's an interesting theory, I give you that much.