Racism wins elections and racism wins elections
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Racism wins elections and racism wins elections
Unemployment is very low, locals on benefits a myth
Unemployment is supposed to be at its lowest rate since 1975 isn't it?
Yawn.....
Hardly, but no complaints if they do.
Because the majority of EU countries buy more from us than we sell to them, which will hurt them all individually. And so when you consider how much money would go to the British government in tariffs, it could be used to try to offset any deficit. There is also the damage to the smaller member states who rely on trade with us.
Then of course is the prospect of free trade deals with other countries like the USA, Canada, China, India etc....
The British government, not the EU, is essentially responsible for workers conditions, zero hour contract and the like even if they have to pay lip service to EU protective legislation. The EU is far more interested in worker protection than a Tory led UK government ever will be. Just wait until they are unfettered by the EU.
Rubbish. Cameron has made funding promises knowing we could leave and the EU has obligations in the UK and elsewhere that don't end when we walk out.
Maybe other are other deluded countries with an over inflated opinion of their own significance on the world stage? More likely is that countries like Greece might think they can run away without paying their debts.
If British goods become more expensive than the EU equivalent due to tarrifs the customer will spend their money in the EU. Your bonanza for the Treasury will not materialise
I'm in the engineering industry, and recently had a back injury which is causing me discomfort in my current role, and so recently I looked at what other opportunities were around, and couldn't believe it.
10 years ago electronic design engineers could command a wage of 45 - 70K a year. Now they are as low as 25K. And that's for someone experience and degree qualified.
And of course we would be free to source our goods from around the world.
Agreed, but your argument was the tarrifs would fill a hole in our budget. Being able to source goods from around the world still leaves us short of money. Where are you going to get it from now?
That argument is absolute bullshit.
The EU is not responsible for your minimum wage or emplyoment rights. The EU just demands the same right for every of it's citizens. If you allow low wage employment like you do and only foreigners want to do it, it's your fault, not the EU's. Yet another case where your gouvernment succesfully projected it's own failure on the EU.
So you reckon there are about 16 million racists in the UK ?
BREXIT was about a lot, lot more than immigration, whatever you keep harping on about.
I didn't say that it would be great for us, I was pointing out the miseries that would also inflict the EU, which is why both sides will want to avoid no deal. I believe it was Mark Carney who recently stated that the EU has more to lose than us.
No, you are not. You don't buy goods from Europe because the EU forces you to do so. You buy them because it's near, driving down logistics cause, and the quality is rather good overall, or the goods can't be bought elsewhere. Are you going to tell me you will suddenly buy the machinery for the little industry you have left in India? And that, if you do, it will be cheaper or better in any way?
And to your other point, what makes you think that countries like India or Canada have any interest in a free trade deal with the UK at this point? I know you don't get that, but overall, on it's own, the UK is pretty insignificant. There's much more pressign trade deals for these countries to do. Even after all this boot licking, Trump isnÄt thinking one second about a trade deal with the UK. With Canada, you even have one already which you will leave upon leaving the EU.
And how the heck, with the substantial trade deficit the UK has with the EU-27, will tarriffs hurt the EU more than the UK? That does make ZERO sense.
He's governor of the Bank of England, it's his job to say that. I doubt he believes it.
Not 16 million, but it's the racism that swung it
If you have more people competing for the same jobs, it will drive wages down. Currently in my department I have two people on my team from eastern Europe earning nearly half what I earn doing a similar role.
Leading up to the referendum he was forecasting doom and gloom.
Sure you do. Funny, why doesn't something like this happen in Germany? Oh, yeah, I remember, working, constructive Unions, minimum wage and an actual industry short of workers.
Yes of course he was, he knew it was a bloody terrible idea. Now he's stuck with it, and has to try and push the best possible face on everything to try and maintain some kind of confidence in the economy.
Such arrogance, but to be expected....
Also his job. He wanted to avoid Brexit, now it's there and he needs to make the best out of it. It's called politics. I doubt even 20% of Tory politicians really wanted this to happen, but that stupid little referendum forced their hand.
You said the tarrifs would fill a hole in our budget. I pointed out that the consumer will buy from the cheapest supplier, so the tarrifs won't cushion the blow. Your thinking is bust.
Yes Brexit will hurt both sides, but the EU being much larger will feel it less
Being a union, the EU can also shuffle various things around to make sure no individual member end up taking too big a hit.
Brexit hasn't happened yet. The economic consequences will be long term.
How is that arrogance?
I would say the same about Germany if we were alone.
GB makes up 3,4% of the worlds GDP. It lost most of it's industry in the past decades. Why would any country not currently having a trade deal with something like the EU, making up 20% of said GDP, or the marginally smaller or bigger blocs China and US, be interested in a trade deal with the UK?
Why would they bring forward a trade deal with the UK before trying to install a free trade area in their very vicinity first? Because, I hate to break it with you, but your trade with countries like India isn't that big to start with and it's rather nonexistent with most other Asian countries.
So, again, tell me: why would that happen?
The EU is 27 nations and 16% of its exports are to the UK.
The UK exports 44% of its goods to the EU.
It should be obvious who will be hurt more by a disruption in trade
The UK exports 44% of its goods to the EU.
It should be obvious who will be hurt more by a disruption in trade
And your evidence is ?
How is that arrogance?
I would say the same about Germany if we were alone.
GB makes up 3,4% of the worlds GDP. It lost most of it's industry in the past decades. Why would any country not currently having a trade deal with something like the EU, making up 20% of said GDP, or the marginally smaller or bigger blocs China and US, be interested in a trade deal with the UK?
Why would they bring forward a trade deal with the UK before trying to install a free trade area in their very vicinity first? Because, I hate to break it with you, but your trade with countries like India isn't that big to start with and it's rather nonexistent with most other Asian countries.
So, again, tell me: why would that happen?
Because once outside the protectionist EU, the UK will be free to negotiate Trade Deals with anyone it chooses to, big or small countries, and try to get those deals which best suit the UK's interests and needs - not have to be part of deals which suit the EU.
USA and China and Japan, etc, might be more willing to do a deal with the UK than the EU.
Perhaps you can tell me why they haven't already done deals with the EU or why the EU hasn't done deals with them.
USA and China are far more protectionists than the EU and that was before the most protectionist president in US history took power. None of them will allow unrestricted access to the single market and although I am positive that the US/China will offer the UK a trade deal it will be heavily staked towards their own interest and can never replace unrestricted access to the single market
The protectionist EU, 'kin 'ell have you ever done any work in the US, China, Japan or India? Because I can assure you the EU knows nothing about protectionism compared with all these bastions of commerce you believe Britain will be better off dealing with.
Because a trade deal between a western country and a developing one like India, when it comes to standards of production, living, etc etc is very, very difficult. The EU has also got very high standards on environmental protection, workers rights, food security etc. That's the only thing you may be right about, the Tories will surely shit on those standards when things get desperate.
And the UK will be free? Yup. The question remains, will anyone else want to.
Are you a professional politician ?
Because your answer is not the answer to my question.
I said USA, China and Japan - not India.
Its a bit of a manufactured statistic (especially under the tories) given the zero hour contracts and those working just about 16 hrs a week. I dont know if its possible or not anymore but the only long term solution is to raise the minimum wage and get the locals interested in the jobs they currently dont value.
There are quite a few working less than 16 hours as well, preferring to survive off the little they can make rather than face the constant humiliations of the jobcentre. They're people with all sorts of problems of course, mental health, addiction, criminal history, lack of intelligence etc. Because they're earning less than the national insurance threshold they're not even scoring contributions, and their future is bleak indeed. They do not show on unemployment statistics.
They are manufactured statistics yes, but I'm damned if I can see any way that a realistic minimum wage rise is going to make people suddenly want to go picking vegetables in the middle of winter. Or summer for that matter. Would you?
Funnily enough, it was even more fabricated back in the day, when women stayin at home catering the kids just weren't counted in the millions. Two edged sword, that.
No I can either at this level. But what if say it went up to 11 or 12 an hour maybe even further?
I know a lot of businesses will tank so this sort of thing will never happen.
Back to the topic though, I still think a deal will happen where nothing will change apart from some restrictions being brought on freedom of movement for low skilled workers. May will sell it as a great victory in stopping immigration and EU will sell it as a great victory for themselves while in reality sweet feck all changes.
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