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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Mozza said:
The coffee machine at work has gone up from 20 to 25p, 25% increase.

Walkers crisps have gone from 50 to 55p, 10% up

I buy Eggs and Mushrooms every week, the former up 6p a box, the latter 4p around 8% each.

Non of this takes into account shrink-flation

Food costs are definitely on the up
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Angus burgers in my supermarket went from 2.99 euro to 3.95 and I'm not in the uk

Food prices go up
 
Stanley Road said:
Angus burgers in my supermarket went from 2.99 euro to 3.95 and I'm not in the uk

Food prices go up
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Tesco is doing two four packs of Stella pint cans for £9 though, which is a boon.
 
Mozza said:
Right, it's up to the UK government to enforce it, so why are you so angry at the EU for Westminsters failure?
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Because that's what British politicians have been doing for years even more pronunced than in other EU member states.

Anybody actually interested in politics could have easily read every EU draft regulation, every EU draft guideline and monitored which MEP in the parliament, which country in the concil had voted in which way. It would have shown that it were more often than not British politicians leading the line of decreasing labor rights and labor standards.
 
Hang on, what will happen to the price of malt whisky of Scotland legs it? I'd just have to drive up and buy a case or two I suppose.

Or if border checks come in then being a hillwalker I might have a nice little sideline carting heavy rucsacs down through the Cheviots.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
No wonder the British are so badly off if this is what's normally in their shopping basket
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It is a bit odd. Surely whatever percentage of the population that cycles only buys a helmet once or twice in their lifetimes. I thought the inflation basket was meant to represent regular purchases.
A bottle of gin in every weekly shop would be going some too.
 
Jippy said:
It is a bit odd. Surely whatever percentage of the population that cycles only buys a helmet once or twice in their lifetimes. I thought the inflation basket was meant to represent regular purchases.
A bottle of gin in every weekly shop would be going some too.
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Is this what May means when she says there are complex reasons why nurses have to go to foodbanks, because they are buying cycling helmets instead of food.
 
Chorley1974 said:
Like that fecking mattered
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Of course it fecking mattered. How else would euro clearing have been possible in London. The UK got their special wishes fulfilled all the time, and was one of the main driving forces for the EU expansion 2004. It stayed out of the € and Schengen, it even established English as one of the main working languages within the EU, not that many English speaking countries on the continent, are there!?

Now that the British departure is happening, could you please stop with your ignorant lies?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I'm not saying it will happen in practice. It is a key negotiating point clearly. I fully expect us to keep contributing in order to get a deal. But the UK should take a strong negotiating stance initially.
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What does that mean, in this case? I see no reason why we wouldn't have to pay for our liabilities already accrued, in terms of EU pensions, or funding for projects already agreed to. For what reason would we possibly not pay for those things?
 
Abizzz said:
Of course it fecking mattered. How else would euro clearing have been possible in London. The UK got their special wishes fulfilled all the time, and was one of the main driving forces for the EU expansion 2004. It stayed out of the € and Schengen, it even established English as one of the main working languages within the EU, not that many English speaking countries on the continent, are there!?

Now that the British departure is happening, could you please stop with your ignorant lies?
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Not adopting the euro is the best decision ever.

Your line about the english language is just false
 
ThierryHenry said:
What does that mean, in this case? I see no reason why we wouldn't have to pay for our liabilities already accrued, in terms of EU pensions, or funding for projects already agreed to. For what reason would we possibly not pay for those things?
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The sticking point is that the EU wants the 'divorce bill' settled before any trade deal is agreed, if we just happily agree to pay we are likely to get shafted on the trade deal. You don't give up some of the small leverage you have easily.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The sticking point is that the EU wants the 'divorce bill' settled before any trade deal is agreed, if we just happily agree to pay we are likely to get shafted on the trade deal. You don't give up some of the small leverage you have easily.
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You will get shafted anyway. Small market lacking industry vs. big market with a healthy industrial sector. Nothing to win there.
 
fcbforever said:
*yawn*

Your trolling gets boring.
If you are serious, you should search for a psychatrist or something.
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The EU does have a lot of scratty little markets tbf and huge drains like Greece et al. Still obviously a massive market collectively though.
 
Jippy said:
The EU does have a lot of scratty little markets tbf and huge drains like Greece et al. Still obviously a massive market collectively though.
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Which is all that matters. Huge parts of China are utter shitholes, still one of the biggest markets in the world.
Collectively, the EU is even more important than China.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That thread is horrifying.
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Yep, just read it. Baffling how some people seem to quite genuinely think May would be any more competent at dealing with this than any of the opposition leaders.
 
Cheesy said:
Yep, just read it. Baffling how some people seem to quite genuinely think May would be any more competent at dealing with this than any of the opposition leaders.
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Strong and stable leadership.
 
Stanley Road said:
Good comparison, china, workers rights nill

Eu, slavery on the up. Ace
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You've got that wrong - again.

UK, slavery on the up. British politicians have been the leading lot to diminish workers rights and protection in the EU. And yet your very own personal approach is that you want everything for free or at least as cheep as possible. Your middle name surely must be 'double standards'.
 
Crossie said:
You've got that wrong - again.

UK, slavery on the up. British politicians have been the leading lot to diminish workers rights and protection in the EU. And yet your very own personal approach is that you want everything for free or at least as cheep as possible. Your middle name surely must be 'double standards'.
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Think you'll find brits want everything for free in the uk. You want good services and low taxes, take a look at yourselves .
 
Cheesy said:
Yep, just read it. Baffling how some people seem to quite genuinely think May would be any more competent at dealing with this than any of the opposition leaders.
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I interpret it quite differently. That the EU have reacted so badly to informal preliminary discussions says to me that they are more concerned about Britain crashing out of the EU than I thought. I read in The Economist that the German's are especially concerned about us not paying the 'divorce bill' as they think it will largely fall onto their toes to make up the shortfall.

It also shows that they want to play hardball, taking a conciliatory approach, like so many on here want us to, is a terrible idea IMO.

I think Downing Street will be quietly encouraged by the reaction.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Food and drink in the supermarket has not gone up by 10-20% since the vote, that is complete rubbish.
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It's very simple maths that if your currency devalues by 20% then your imports will go up by 20%. Even British produce has gone up though, presumably because there is now greater demand from abroad with the weaker pound.

Loss Leaders likes milk have gone up by about 10%, smart price tinned tomatos have gone up from 25p to 29p. Supermarkets have publically argued with suppliers about it and suppliers have responded by having smaller packets or less quality. Branded tinned tomatoes have less tomatoes and more tomato juice. Frozen chicken now has more water added.

So yes I'd say real inflation 15-20% is about right.

Josep Dowling said:
The whole tariff / quota situation is currently hear say, nothing is concrete to what will happen. The UK import quite a lot from Europe, I can't see why the EU would hinder one of its biggest customers by increasing prices through tariffs as the UK will just go elsewhere. At the moment this is just a stance the EU is putting up to ensure they receive the 'divorce payment'.
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No it isn't, May has taken us out of the single market and there is no trade deal. Until a trade deal is done tarriffs will be in place once Brexit hits and WTO Tarrifs will automatically be in place. Trade deals are very complicated and can take a decade to complete, especially ones with financial services, which is the most important part of UK exports.

The UK also need a majority vote of EU countries to get any trade deal through. There's also the problem that if BREXIT is a success, then other countries may follow suit. So it's not in the EUs interest for BREXIT to be successful.

Josep Dowling said:
Again with the banks, I know of some banks that have opened new branches in EU countries but as yet they have not confirmed moving their main headquarters to the EU from the UK. If this was to happen the UK are bound to offer incentives to stay, as they are already doing with lower corporation tax.
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Some have relocated head offices prior to Brexit even hitting. Unless a free trade agreement including financial services is agreed more will leave.

You're right that the divorce payment and an annual payment to the EU maybe Britain's saving grace here. The 'no parallel talks' stance is not allowing that right now.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I interpret it quite differently. That the EU have reacted so badly to informal preliminary discussions says to me that they are more concerned about Britain crashing out of the EU than I thought. I read in The Economist that the German's are especially concerned about us not paying the 'divorce bill' as they think it will largely fall onto their toes to make up the shortfall.

It also shows that they want to play hardball, taking a conciliatory approach, like so many on here want us to, is a terrible idea IMO.

I think Downing Street will be quietly encouraged by the reaction.
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Being clear that you're not agreeing to a divorce payment without a trade agreement is all well and good. May's stance should have been clear, Britain will only agree to pay divorce payments under the provision that a trade deal is agreed. However saying 'we don't need to pay this legally' is ill informed. She doesn't seem to care about a trade deal, she's simply saying what she wants and not offering anything in return which isn't the way you do deals and make agreements.

You have to ask what the end game is? Does Britain lose it's financial institutions and other multinationals to Germany and France because of tarriffs? If I was France or Germany I'd happily sacrifice some losses in British exports if I could lure these lucrative companies to my country and benefit from their job creation and tax payments.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
Being clear that you're not agreeing to a divorce payment without a trade agreement is all well and good. May's stance should have been clear, Britain will only agree to pay divorce payments under the provision that a trade deal is agreed. However saying 'we don't need to pay this legally' is ill informed. She doesn't seem to care about a trade deal, she's simply saying what she wants and not offering anything in return which isn't the way you do deals and make agreements.

You have to ask what the end game is? Does Britain lose it's financial institutions and other multinationals to Germany and France because of tarriffs? If I was France or Germany I'd happily sacrifice some losses in British exports if I could lure these lucrative companies to my country and benefit from their job creation and tax payments.
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I'm sure that the EU understand her stance. The EU's reaction to an informal meeting has been extraordinary. They even got in touch with the BBC to confirm that it wasn't 'Brussel's gossip'. I don't think it will have the desired effect of trying to undermine her domestically with the election coming up, if that is their reasoning. The Brexit bunch will be delighted with her rattling the EU.

What happened to the EU not caring about a trade deal with the UK? Their heavy handed actions suggest that they are quite worried about something.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I'm sure that the EU understand her stance. The EU's reaction to an informal meeting has been extraordinary. They even got in touch with the BBC to confirm that it wasn't 'Brussel's gossip'. I don't think it will have the desired effect of trying to undermine her domestically with the election coming up, if that is their reasoning. The Brexit bunch will be delighted with her rattling the EU.

What happened to the EU not caring about a trade deal with the UK? Their heavy handed actions suggest that they are quite worried about something.
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What do you consider to be heavy handed actions?
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I'm sure that the EU understand her stance. The EU's reaction to an informal meeting has been extraordinary. They even got in touch with the BBC to confirm that it wasn't 'Brussel's gossip'. I don't think it will have the desired effect of trying to undermine her domestically with the election coming up, if that is their reasoning. The Brexit bunch will be delighted with her rattling the EU.

What happened to the EU not caring about a trade deal with the UK? Their heavy handed actions suggest that they are quite worried about something.
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They don't seem worried, they seem baffled. There are noe heavy handed actions and there is literally nothing that lets them seem worried. They are just genuinly baffled by how May is overestimating the strenght of her position.
 
JPRouve said:
What do you consider to be heavy handed actions?
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Strategic and damning leaks of an informal dinner and talks that included Junker supposedly saying 'a trade deal is now 10 times less likely to happen' (what drama) and contacting the BBC to confirm the details after Downing Street brushed it off as 'Brussels gossip'.

Negotiations haven't even started!

fcbforever said:
They don't seem worried, they seem baffled. There are noe heavy handed actions and there is literally nothing that lets them seem worried. They are just genuinly baffled by how May is overestimating the strenght of her position.
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They are going to significant lengths to make that point. If they are are so relaxed why bother?

Heavy handed might be the wrong phase but they hardly look an unconcerned party to me.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Strategic and damning leaks of an informal dinner and talks that included Junker supposedly saying 'a trade deal is now 10 times less likely to happen' (what drama) and contacting the BBC to confirm the details after Downing Street brushed it off as 'Brussels gossip'.

Negotiations haven't even started!



They are going to significant lengths to make that point. If they are are so relaxed why bother?
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So? They act from a position of strenght and bully the player overestimating his cards. Pretty standard. I really do think Brits, yet again, overestimate their own importance. This is just what the EU does to smaller foreign powers.
 
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