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Kentonio said:
Nestle shifting some production to Poland. Described as the tip of the iceberg..

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Hmmm

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However, a Nestle spokesman denied the proposals were anything to do with Brexit.

He told the BBC: "This move would be necessary irrespective of the decision to leave the EU."

The spokesman added that Blue Riband was one of 16 products made at the Newcastle Fawdon site and was the only one being moved "to simplify production on a very complicated site".

The announcements are proposals and are subject to a 45-day consultation with trade unions and employee representatives.

If the cuts go ahead, they would take place over the next two years.

Nestle currently employs 8,000 people in the UK."
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.
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No, they don't have anything to do with the EU. The point is that they're already worse, and with the Great Repeal Bill there's a good chance they're likely to get much worse.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
In what way is Britain not peaceful? I can only deduce that you live in cloud cuckoo land over there given the large scale terrorist attacks France has suffered recently.
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The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.
 
Kentonio said:
The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.
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one thing that I don't miss about the UK is people coming out of pubs and it kicking off everywhere, I haven't seen a pub fight in nearly 20 years here.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.
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What do you mean by union issues?
 
Kentonio said:
The chance of you being effected by a terrorist attack is less than you dying from doing DIY. Its statistically irrelevant. Do you know that the UK has 73% more crimes commited than France? If you look at it as per 1000 people it rises to 80% more. Britain has considerably more violent crime, and over here seeing violence in the streets when the pubs are kicking out is extremely, extremely rare. It's a more civilized, peaceful place to live in general.
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I'll give you that. The UK does have bad violent crime rates but they are skewed by the way in which the UK police record violent crime as they count a multitude of offences that many other countries don't as violent, including assault without injury and carrying a knife.

There is a definite problem with violence in Cities at weekend most likely to do with how we consume alcohol. Continental folk are more civilised in that regard.

That said, I don't in any way feel that I am living in a war zone or feel threatened.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I'll give you that. The UK does have bad violent crime rates but they are skewed by the way in which the UK police record violent crime as they count a multitude of offences that many other countries don't as violent, including assault without injury and carrying a knife.

There is a definite problem with violence in Cities at weekend most likely to do with how we consume alcohol. Continental folk are more civilised in that regard.

That said, I don't in any way feel that I am living in a war zone or feel threatened.
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Nah, that's perfectly fair. My issue with feeling safe in England is largely down to alcohol but also British teens/young men tend to be more aggressive. In England any kind of even slightly confrontational moment with guys feels like it could kick off, because we have that thing growing up where people can't stand the idea of losing face. In France as long as you smile or act reasonable and don't kick off yourself, the chances of a confrontation turning violent is incredibly small. People aren't out looking for fights and they'd largely much rather just talk it out and walk away content rather than bruised. Obviously there's exceptions, and generalizations are always questionable, but I can walk through the streets of this city in the early hours of the weekend without any concerns for my safety. I don't have the same feeling in England and I never did.
 
Kentonio said:
Nah, that's perfectly fair. My issue with feeling safe in England is largely down to alcohol but also British teens/young men tend to be more aggressive. In England any kind of even slightly confrontational moment with guys feels like it could kick off, because we have that thing growing up where people can't stand the idea of losing face. In France as long as you smile or act reasonable and don't kick off yourself, the chances of a confrontation turning violent is incredibly small. People aren't out looking for fights and they'd largely much rather just talk it out and walk away content rather than bruised. Obviously there's exceptions, and generalizations are always questionable, but I can walk through the streets of this city in the early hours of the weekend without any concerns for my safety. I don't have the same feeling in England and I never did.
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True, sometimes when I was out in town at the weekends you could almost smell the violence in the air and there inevitably was some, seriously it was always when there was an E drought on and everyone was drunk. I don't go out on the town anymore or drink much so I am not sure what the state of play is these days. I do know that the current generation are being called 'generation sensible' due to their rejection of binge drinking etc so maybe it will get better in years to come.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
True, sometimes when I was out in town at the weekends you could almost smell the violence in the air and there inevitably was some, seriously it was always when there was an E drought on and everyone was drunk. I don't go out on the town anymore or drink much so I am not sure what the state of play is these days. I do know that the current generation are being called 'generation sensible' due to their rejection of binge drinking etc so maybe it will get better in years to come.
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Hopefully. I've done plenty of mad binge drinking (including yesterday :lol:), but I never understood the appeal of people beating the shit out of each other. Really hope we can grow out of it as a country.
 
Chorley1974 said:
I was talking about the EU, not a common market. Benefit is one perspective, we've paid a huge amount of money for membership of a club, and the UK voted on the basis that they don't think they are getting the value from it's subscription.

boo hoo, taking my ball home....
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The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.
 
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WackyWengerWorld said:
The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.
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Oh gawd

Let.economists run the world and lets see where we end up.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
The EU had it's foundations prior to the Common Market. May is taking us out of the Common Market and The EU.

When mass recession hits it will be apparent Britains economic future should be controlled by economists, not the uninformed masses. The amount of money we paid to the EU is nothing compared to the devaluation of our currency nevermind the inevitable recession.
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You trust economists after the financial crisis?
 
Mozza said:
You trust economists after the financial crisis?
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Without saying something profoundly anti-intellectual, name a group of people you'd trust more than economists when it comes to economics.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Ditto. I hope it doesn't come to it but Im thinking about it.
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Really? I am genuinely curious how a vote on being in or out of the EU would affect your thoughts on this country that much.

Political views and opinions are on an ever changing cycle.

Personally the whole episode is merely deflecting public attention away from other issues. Any UK business that has gone under in the last year has used 'Brexit' as an easy excuse for their failings. Since the vote, has it really affected your day to day life?
 
Its seems that the EU doesn't want to give the UK a trade deal or at least its not a priority for them to do so
 
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Stanley Road said:
Probably not, they are too inward looking. Project saving first, common sense later.
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A trade deal with the UK is low priority to the US too. I think, its more a case of importance. Putin, Syria, trade deal with the US > UK trade deal
 
Adisa said:
Makes me happy. This country must learn a painful lesson.
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I've quoted you before when you said something similar, the people who will feel this painful lesson will be - the very poorest, young people, people of colour, disabled people, immigrates. I get the anger(I always feel the same way after the Tories win an election) but the outcome of Brexit falling (which it will do) will only mean Britain becoming a more bigoted, racist and xenophobia place.
 
devilish said:
A trade deal with the UK is low priority to the US too. I think, its more a case of importance. Putin, Syria, trade deal with the US > UK trade deal
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Probably more like Fix Eurozone> Line ones own pockets> talk about the shape of fruit> discuss why the Eurozone is unfixable> discuss trade deal with Chad> move on to less important things.
 
Sweet Square said:
I've quoted you before when you said something similar, the people who will feel this painful lesson will be - the very poorest, young people, people of colour, disabled people, immigrates. I get the anger(I always feel the same way after the Tories win an election) but the outcome of Brexit falling (which it will do) will only mean Britain becoming a more bigoted, racist and xenophobia place.
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Maybe because I'm off to Scotland next year. But I don't think so. I guess I'm still just very angry. What does it say about us when the failure of right wing policies make us more right wing bigoted and racist?
 
Back on topic, the idea that we were going to get a sweet deal was fanciful at best. How the feck were so many people convinced?
 
Stanley Road said:
Probably more like Fix Eurozone> Line ones own pockets> talk about the shape of fruit> discuss why the Eurozone is unfixable> discuss trade deal with Chad> move on to less important things.
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Chad? I can understand the fact that theres a tory party in government who kiss saudi arabia's regime arse by providing them with weapons to kill yemeni civilians. However calling the uk that way is taking it a bit too far.

Its within the eu domain to decide its priority and with whom to have trade deal with. Syria, putin and a trade deal with the us is far more important
 
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Classical Mechanic said:
It is stated as a strategic leak from the EU which will be their ongoing strategy. Obviously both sides are going to take strong negotiating positions initially. Naturally the balance of power lies with the EU but it is not time to crap the bed yet.
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A strategic leak to expose May's cluelesness. You can see why they'd do it but the content is grim regardless.
 
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