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Really? I am genuinely curious how a vote on being in or out of the EU would affect your thoughts on this country that much.

Political views and opinions are on an ever changing cycle.

Personally the whole episode is merely deflecting public attention away from other issues. Any UK business that has gone under in the last year has used 'Brexit' as an easy excuse for their failings. Since the vote, has it really affected your day to day life?
Its the direction of travel that i dont like, we will see how it goes. My partner is one of those immigrant types so might not be welcome anymore.
 
You trust economists after the financial crisis?

The financial crisis was created through the opportunism and abuse of financial de-regulation rather than economists getting anything wrong.

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Oh gawd

Let.economists run the world and lets see where we end up.

You're right, brain surgery, feck getting a qualified surgeon I want a down to earth bloke on the checkout at Asda doing it

Personally the whole episode is merely deflecting public attention away from other issues. Any UK business that has gone under in the last year has used 'Brexit' as an easy excuse for their failings. Since the vote, has it really affected your day to day life?

It affects everyones day to day life. Everything at the supermarket is now 10-20% more expensive because of the pound devaluing.

We haven't gone through Brexit yet but if tarrifs/quotas hit as a result of no trade agreement then every business who imports from mainland will have higher costs because of tarrifs. Every business who does a great deal of business in mainland Europe will lose business because they'll be forced to charge higher prices because of the tarrifs. Any of these businesses that go under will see people lose jobs.

Banks have started to leave and if more leave jobs will be lost.

Now if you're in a business that doesn't do much business in the EU you'll be fine but those that do will inevitably hurt.
 
A strategic leak to expose May's cluelesness. You can see why they'd do it but the content is grim regardless.

It is a leading and bias source. May's government took legal advice which stated that Article 50 does not state that any leaving member state has to continue paying EU budget fees after leaving. The interesting thing about the source is the German connection as Merkel's government fear that they will cop for most of the shortfall if the UK doesn't pay it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ave-pay-penny-leave-european-union-say-peers/
 
The financial crisis was created through the opportunism and abuse of financial de-regulation rather than economists getting anything wrong.



You're right, brain surgery, feck getting a qualified surgeon I want a down to earth bloke on the checkout at Asda doing it



It affects everyones day to day life. Everything at the supermarket is now 10-20% more expensive because of the pound devaluing.

We haven't gone through Brexit yet but if tarrifs/quotas hit as a result of no trade agreement then every business who imports from mainland will have higher costs because of tarrifs. Every business who does a great deal of business in mainland Europe will lose business because they'll be forced to charge higher prices because of the tarrifs. Any of these businesses that go under will see people lose jobs.

Banks have started to leave and if more leave jobs will be lost.

Now if you're in a business that doesn't do much business in the EU you'll be fine but those that do will inevitably hurt.


Are you an economist?
 
It is a leading and bias source. May's government took legal advice which stated that Article 50 does not state that any leaving member state has to continue paying EU budget fees after leaving. The interesting thing about the source is the German connection as Merkel's government fear that they will cop for most of the shortfall if the UK doesn't pay it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ave-pay-penny-leave-european-union-say-peers/
This actually came up in the FAZ report. Davis suggested to Juncker that the UK could simply leave without paying anything. Juncker's response was they could kiss goodbye to any hope of a trade deal if they did. So you may be technically correct, but it is unlikely to happen in practice.
 
The financial crisis was created through the opportunism and abuse of financial de-regulation rather than economists getting anything wrong.



You're right, brain surgery, feck getting a qualified surgeon I want a down to earth bloke on the checkout at Asda doing it



It affects everyones day to day life. Everything at the supermarket is now 10-20% more expensive because of the pound devaluing.

We haven't gone through Brexit yet but if tarrifs/quotas hit as a result of no trade agreement then every business who imports from mainland will have higher costs because of tarrifs. Every business who does a great deal of business in mainland Europe will lose business because they'll be forced to charge higher prices because of the tarrifs. Any of these businesses that go under will see people lose jobs.

Banks have started to leave and if more leave jobs will be lost.

Now if you're in a business that doesn't do much business in the EU you'll be fine but those that do will inevitably hurt.
Do you think the uk will resemble a scene from Grapes of Wrath in ten years?
 
This actually came up in the FAZ report. Davis suggested to Juncker that the UK could simply leave without paying anything. Juncker's response was they could kiss goodbye to any hope of a trade deal if they did. So you may be technically correct, but it is unlikely to happen in practice.

I'm not saying it will happen in practice. It is a key negotiating point clearly. I fully expect us to keep contributing in order to get a deal. But the UK should take a strong negotiating stance initially.
 
This actually came up in the FAZ report. Davis suggested to Juncker that the UK could simply leave without paying anything. Juncker's response was they could kiss goodbye to any hope of a trade deal if they did. So you may be technically correct, but it is unlikely to happen in practice.

Which is such a staggeringly obvious point I can't believe people (including those in the gov) could delude themselves to think otherwise.
 
I'm not saying it will happen in practice. It is a key negotiating point clearly. I fully expect us to keep contributing in order to get a deal. But the UK should take a strong negotiating stance initially.

I think this might be why May called the election. Get an untouchable majority before the UK's position is set out because there are a lot of people who are not going to like the initial stance.
 
Your Prime Minister is a bit sneaky, isn't she? She wants all the good things about the EU, but not the so-called "bad".
 
Do you think the uk will resemble a scene from Grapes of Wrath in ten years?

I think our banking/finance and manufacturing industrices will all decline and we'll be poorer as a nation. That the NHS and Schools will face further cuts with the justification of 'the economy is in recession and we need to pay off our national debt'. That workers rights are cut now The Torries can do what they want without EU check and balances.

In 10 years time we might have rebounded somewhat but if The Torries fullfil their threat of turning Britain into a tax haven then our public services will be wiped out.
 
I think our banking/finance and manufacturing industrices will all decline and we'll be poorer as a nation. That the NHS and Schools will face further cuts with the justification of 'the economy is in recession and we need to pay off our national debt'. That workers rights are cut now The Torries can do what they want without EU check and balances.

In 10 years time we might have rebounded somewhat but if The Torries fullfil their threat of turning Britain into a tax haven then our public services will be wiped out.

the nhs will suffer brexit or not, if tax shy brits don't put their hands iin their pockets there will always be cuts.

What eu checks are done on workers rights? What have they done about fruit pickers on 2.90 an hour? feck all is the answer cos they don't have the power

Jean Claud Junk made a success of turning Luxenbourg into a tax free haven, he can advise the tories how it can be successfully implemented.
 
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On the subject of economists, this event in British politics undermined them big time and why I think Cameron's government were determined to go against the consensus in that field regarding austerity.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/.../How-364-economists-got-it-totally-wrong.html

It didn't, the economy grew in the 80s despite the reduction in aggregate demand not because of it. Post credit crunch austerity reducing aggregate demand has hindered economic recovery in the UK where as in the US they recovered much quicker due to increasing aggregate demand. The Torries haven't proved 2+2=5.

Thatcher may have seen economic growth but at what price? Industries destroyed, privatisation of national assets making the state was poorer as a result, mass unemployment, increasing the north south divide turning many towns into slums and increasing the gap between the richest and poorest. And as part of her deregulation policies the start of the de-regulation of financial services that would eventually see the credit crunch.
 
The trick will be how to make the idea of leaving extremely unappetising to other member states without ruining the UK economy so as to avoid the knock on effects on the European economies. It'll be a very fine line to tread especially as the negative effects begin to set in.
 
The key point of the exchange that really highlights either May's complete misunderstanding of the situation the country is in, or that she is ignoring whatever advice she may be getting, is on the subject of the refusal to pay fees. This is because saying you will do that has consequences that make the negotiations much, much worse, and this has been pointed out before.

If we do not pay, it escalates the situation because the shortfall in EU funding then becomes an issue for each individual parliament of the 27 countries. Right now, we are dealing with EU negotiators who take a deal back to each government for approval. Get each parliament involved and we are then in negotiation with the entirety of each countries political framework, and each parliament (not government, parliament, opposition and all) will have the power of veto over any deal.

It is not playing hardball, it is a singular failure to understand the position we are in and the actual consequences of her actions. She will make it much, much worse, not better.
 
The financial crisis was created through the opportunism and abuse of financial de-regulation rather than economists getting anything wrong

Except many economists, especially the types right wingers love, spout theories supporting low regulation economies 'The market regulates itself'
 
What eu checks are done on workers rights? What have they done about fruit pickers on 2.90 an hour? feck all is the answer cos they don't have the power

Right, it's up to the UK government to enforce it, so why are you so angry at the EU for Westminsters failure?
 
Because the previous poster seems to think leaving the eu will affect workers rights while those said workers have no rights since forever.

Some companies break the law and don't pay minimum wage or enforce all worker rights. Outside the EU the Tories will legalise this practice
 
It affects everyones day to day life. Everything at the supermarket is now 10-20% more expensive because of the pound devaluing.

We haven't gone through Brexit yet but if tarrifs/quotas hit as a result of no trade agreement then every business who imports from mainland will have higher costs because of tarrifs. Every business who does a great deal of business in mainland Europe will lose business because they'll be forced to charge higher prices because of the tarrifs. Any of these businesses that go under will see people lose jobs.

Banks have started to leave and if more leave jobs will be lost.

Now if you're in a business that doesn't do much business in the EU you'll be fine but those that do will inevitably hurt.

Food and drink in the supermarket has not gone up by 10-20% since the vote, that is complete rubbish.

The whole tariff / quota situation is currently hear say, nothing is concrete to what will happen. The UK import quite a lot from Europe, I can't see why the EU would hinder one of its biggest customers by increasing prices through tariffs as the UK will just go elsewhere. At the moment this is just a stance the EU is putting up to ensure they receive the 'divorce payment'.

Again with the banks, I know of some banks that have opened new branches in EU countries but as yet they have not confirmed moving their main headquarters to the EU from the UK. If this was to happen the UK are bound to offer incentives to stay, as they are already doing with lower corporation tax.
 
Food and drink in the supermarket has not gone up by 10-20% since the vote, that is complete rubbish.

The whole tariff / quota situation is currently hear say, nothing is concrete to what will happen. The UK import quite a lot from Europe, I can't see why the EU would hinder one of its biggest customers by increasing prices through tariffs as the UK will just go elsewhere. At the moment this is just a stance the EU is putting up to ensure they receive the 'divorce payment'.

Again with the banks, I know of some banks that have opened new branches in EU countries but as yet they have not confirmed moving their main headquarters to the EU from the UK. If this was to happen the UK are bound to offer incentives to stay, as they are already doing with lower corporation tax.

Re the tariff situation, it is not a stance from the EU, if the Uk want the single market that have to pay, if they don't want to pay then they go back to WTO tariffs, simple
 
The coffee machine at work has gone up from 20 to 25p, 25% increase.

Walkers crisps have gone from 50 to 55p, 10% up

I buy Eggs and Mushrooms every week, the former up 6p a box, the latter 4p around 8% each.

Non of this takes into account shrink-flation

Food costs are definitely on the up
 
Its the direction of travel that i dont like, we will see how it goes. My partner is one of those immigrant types so might not be welcome anymore.

When you say not welcome anymore do you mean legally or just an attitude by the British public as a whole towards immigrants?

If it's the former I would be fairly certain the vast majority of immigrants already in the U.K. will be allowed to stay.

If it's the latter I don't think I have seen an attitude change on the whole. The news like to portray daily hate crimes are related to Brexit and are now a common occurrence. These crimes probably happened before the vote they just weren't nationally reported on. There is so much focus on Brexit being related to 'keep the immigrants out' I think the entire notion of why Brexit started has been lost, which on the whole was how much it was costing in relation to what the UK got back.
 
The coffee machine at work has gone up from 20 to 25p, 25% increase.

Walkers crisps have gone from 50 to 55p, 10% up

I buy Eggs and Mushrooms every week, the former up 6p a box, the latter 4p around 8% each.

Non of this takes into account shrink-flation

Food costs are definitely on the up
Everything's gone up in my local store also.
 
Inflation statistics produced by the ONS every month Ken. I can't be arsed looking what's in the basket at the moment, but crisps and eggs should be there, I'd have thought.
 
Food and drink in the supermarket has not gone up by 10-20% since the vote, that is complete rubbish.

The whole tariff / quota situation is currently hear say, nothing is concrete to what will happen. The UK import quite a lot from Europe, I can't see why the EU would hinder one of its biggest customers by increasing prices through tariffs as the UK will just go elsewhere. At the moment this is just a stance the EU is putting up to ensure they receive the 'divorce payment'.

Again with the banks, I know of some banks that have opened new branches in EU countries but as yet they have not confirmed moving their main headquarters to the EU from the UK. If this was to happen the UK are bound to offer incentives to stay, as they are already doing with lower corporation tax.
It's natural prices go up as inflation rises. RPI stabilised in March, but expect it to jump up in April.

The UK is a big customer of the EU, but you can't just 'shop elsewhere' if you want a BMW or some Camembert.

There isn't much the government can offer the banks to keep their main FX/bond trading desks in the City when we loss passporting rights.