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Maybe not but as I said it's not a new thing, additionally interest rates were far higher back in the days so was very difficult to be a home owner unless you could buy a council property in the 80s but then of course people moaned about having less council homes to rent.

There's no maybe about it either.
Interest rates higher but so was wage inflation.
 
After Brexit is completed I'm expecting a hefty payrise, cheaper food and petrol, paying less taxes and national insurance, cheaper flights to my favourite holiday destinations, scraping of university fees, cheaper gas and electric and guaranteed zero deposit zero percent mortgages so I can buy lots of properties. A dramatically improved weather would also be nice but I understand it's beyond the scope.
You might just get that with a tory govt, you'll suffer in other ways however
 
My Girlfriend and I are seriously thinking about leaving Britain in a few years time. The future is bleak.

We visited the UK and Ireland for the first time in over 17 years last Christmas and although we loved visiting no way would we consider moving back especially now that Brexit is on its way.
 
I can understand that if you're from a generation that never knew anything other than the EU that their is some nervousness, but to bail before a deal is done is a bit knee jerk. Where would you go btw?

I'm old enough to remember before the EU and it was shithouse. Unless you enjoy playing card by candle light during the regular power cuts. On the plus side you had less electricity to pay for with your reduced wages from the enforced 3 day week.
 
I have 7 really close mates living over there on PR. So trust me on this, if you wanna get in from a first World country, it's a piece of piss.

They seem to be making it more and more difficult these days. The process for me was longwinded and expensive. I believe they just increased the number of years required living there for PR from 2 to 4 as well. I am sure you'll be fine if you have the relevant credentials but I'd prepare yourself for a bit more than a walk in the park.
 
The rules for Aus aren't bent for first world country, I wouldn't just assume you can get in.

The rules are the same for everyone to get into Australia.

That said they have just decided to abolish the 457 skilled temporary mgration visa to replace it with something more difficult for employers to justify and obtain. The conditions once you have it are going to be stricter although the language skills shouldn't be an issue for most. The biggest change is that once you have the visa you have to wait much longer before you can convert it to permanent residency/citizenship. Pandering to the One Nation demographic - thanks Donald you huge orange wanker.
 
I'm old enough to remember before the EU and it was shithouse. Unless you enjoy playing card by candle light during the regular power cuts. On the plus side you had less electricity to pay for with your reduced wages from the enforced 3 day week.

Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.
 
Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.

I don't understand that thinking either. If you want to know what the 70's were all about union wise you just have to go to France during any current dispute.
 
Are you saying that the EU was entirely responsible for the UK's reversal in economic fortunes? I'm not sure even the most liberal economist would agree with that.

The idea that the UK will go back to to the three day week is hyperbolic and barmy frankly.

I didn't say any of those things. However 5he idea that Britain was better in the days before the EU is laughable. We couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.

I suspect we still can't.
 
I didn't say any of those things. However 5he idea that Britain was better in the days before the EU is laughable. We couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.

I suspect we still can't.

That is nonsense again. The UK has many things to be proud of in terms of innovation and on a global scale. It is hardly surprising that the leftist political movement is dying in this country when you are all so negative and happy to do down the country.
 
Britain in the 70's was a basket case under right and left. I know as I lived there. And if the left in the UK is dying (which I doubt) it is because Blair made such an arse of his final term and Labor have been a shambles ever since. The idea of the Tories running the country unfettered by the inbuilt protections provided by the EU is very scary indeed. Zero hour contracts and the like is just the beginning.
 
If the Tories are only the party of the upper middle and above, surely as more are pushed into poverty their votes dry up. I don't understand, if they're so bad, why they're so popular with vast swathes of the country.
 
If the Tories are only the party of the upper middle and above, surely as more are pushed into poverty their votes dry up. I don't understand, if they're so bad, why they're so popular with vast swathes of the country.

They look after the demographic that can be most relied upon to vote. Old people.
 
I don't understand that thinking either. If you want to know what the 70's were all about union wise you just have to go to France during any current dispute.

That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.
 
That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.
0 hr contracts are not unique to uk, we have them too.
 
So Holland needs better worker protections too then.
No. We have collective worker agreements tied to our contracts.

Example, i am a contractor and my agreement says that i am entitled to all benefits that a direct hire gets. I have waved this in my bosses face to get 2 payrises in one year.

I can only work like.this for 2.5 years then you are hired or fired.

You can guess the rest
 
That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.

That would also be France that has forsaken 10% of its population for decades for its labour laws, that has a chronic unemployment problem, that has one of the highest food bank reliant populations in Europe and that has has the largest far right movement in Western Europe, no doubt aided by the poverty suffered by the 10%.
 
That would also be France that has forsaken 10% of its population for decades for its labour laws, that has a chronic unemployment problem, that has one of the highest food bank reliant populations in Europe and that has has the largest far right movement in Western Europe, no doubt aided by the poverty suffered by the 10%.

Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.
 
Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.
You really think these things dont exist in europe? Big corps get away with no tax in holland. Where is this utopia of yours? The things we do have that are better are paod for by hige taxes, again something brits dont want
 
Food bank usage is higher in the U.K. As for the 10% unemployment, yeah that's bad. I wonder what the real figure is in the U.K. though when you remove people who have given up looking for work, and people whose 'employment' is a few low paid hours here and there to help keep food on the table.

The difference over here is that the 90% aren't also being fecked over by big money, something you appear to think is good? Corporations are making record profits in the billions, but over and over we're told that small pay rises, or job security would be an unbearable burden that would cause economic collapse. Bollocks. People are being taken for absolute mugs, and when you can look around Europe and see examples of countries doing things better, then it's nothing more than obtuseness to insist things have to be like this.

If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.
 
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If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.


You could make the exact same argument for the whole of the UK as well, mind.
 
If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

Honestly both sides are tiring. Neither countries are doing particularly well, neither are exploiting their potential properly and neither is really better than the other.
 
Do you have any data?

I know is the 30-35 category the phenomenon is that people are increasingly leaving London for places like Birmingham and Manchester etc.

@JPRouve

I agree.

Increasingly because they're being priced out of the housing market rather than because of a wealth of opportunities outside London.
 
If France is doing so much better then why does London have the 6th largest French population of any City in the world (including French cities!)? The demographics are young people looking for work and opportunities. The proof is in the pudding.

You can go to London, live in a shitty, tiny apartment, make a ton of money and have lots of fun, and then leave with what you've saved to have a better life elsewhere. That's a big reason why people move to London from countries like France. That and London being a great multicultural melting pot of people and ideas, something that Brexit spat in the face of.

The UK is far from perfect but it is reasonable to argue that France is in a worse state economically and socially. France has the largest far right movement in Western Europe and the largest ISIS presence in the Western world. This is becuase of the alienating effect French society has on its minorites, it is a prime recruiting ground.

After the referendum France overtook Britain in the GDP tables. If you think France is in any way in a worse socially, I can only assume you haven't spent any time in France. They certainly have problems, but compared to Britain its a peaceful, prosperous, happy country to be in.
 
You can go to London, live in a shitty, tiny apartment, make a ton of money and have lots of fun, and then leave with what you've saved to have a better life elsewhere. That's a big reason why people move to London from countries like France. That and London being a great multicultural melting pot of people and ideas, something that Brexit spat in the face of.



After the referendum France overtook Britain in the GDP tables. If you think France is in any way in a worse socially, I can only assume you haven't spent any time in France. They certainly have problems, but compared to Britain its a peaceful, prosperous, happy country to be in.

In what way is Britain not peaceful? I can only deduce that you live in cloud cuckoo land over there given the large scale terrorist attacks France has suffered recently.
 
That would be France whose workers have strong and well protected working rights and conditions way above Britain. Yes, they have those because they will strike to protect what they have, not just roll over to business and end up working a zero hour contract for a pittance with tiny breaks.

Just making the point that France is in the EU and still has union issues so the suggested improvement in the UK's industrial relations probably had nothing to do with the EU.