Decline in manufacturing was due to our own ridiculous regulations. The kind of regulations that countries like Germany did not implement. Now that they have implemented them on behalf of the EU, the member countries of the EU are now struggling as we did.
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Decline in manufacturing was due to our own ridiculous regulations. The kind of regulations that countries like Germany did not implement. Now that they have implemented them on behalf of the EU, the member countries of the EU are now struggling as we did.
Do you know how much people had to spend on food 50 years ago? It was 30% of their income. Today the number is 15%. There's a lot less job security today, but living standards are considerably higher than they were pre-EU.
You mean like when the EU inevitably pull euro clearing inside the eurozone, costing London a huge number of jobs and money? I have no idea what you're talking about in the second part.
What kind of ridiculous nonsense is this? You think Britain is suddenly going to become a haven for small business at the expense of big corporations? With a Tory government? The EU is one of the few organization around who regularly go after big corporations on issues like monopolization, and its the UK who usually looks out for corporations interests wherever possible.
As for 'ridiculously strict EU regulations', no I have no desire to drop product standards and eat away at health and safety and workers rights protections so that any business big or small can feck over the customer and their workers to increase their profitability.
We already trade with the world for goodness sake!
I'd trust the EU to look out for the best interests of our citizens than the ridiculous shower of shite we have in Westminster any day of the week, yes.
Which is why Germany has higher growth and a larger GDP than us?
Do Brexiters understand that the UK already trades with the rest of the world?
No.1 destination for exports is already the USA and no.4 is China
On the import side no.2 supplier is the USA and no.3 is China
No.1 destination for exports is already the USA and no.4 is China
On the import side no.2 supplier is the USA and no.3 is China
CAP, do I need to spell it out in terms of paying farmers artificially high prices by paying farmers not to produce anything?
Cool, so instead we'll just import cheap food from elsewhere and watch the UK agriculture industry collapse. Let's hope that there's never a food crisis elsewhere in the world (say as a result of climate change) if we're going to be completely dependent on imported food.
What a bizarre comment, we are already massively dependent on imported food. Interested to hear why you think paying farmers to keep fields fallow to inflate food prices is such good business.
Food prices are inflated to protect agriculture. Yes we're already heavily reliant on imported food, however without farm subsidies we'd be pretty much entirely reliant on food imports. That would be an extremely dangerous thing, not to mention the livelihoods of more than half a million UK citizens who work in agriculture and the £9b or so a year it contributes to our economy.
Not sure the point here, or course we'd still subsidise, not to the extent though that we currently do.
So what level should we subsidize at that will not cost us tens of thousands of jobs?
Because our manufacturing was either sold off, or couldn't recover. Now the European countries with higher growth are those outside the EU.
Which ones? Also what did the EU have to do with us moving away from manufacturing?
You reckon?
How many people were struggling with mortgages, fuel costs, and food prices 43 years ago?
You made my point. The EU is doing this, not the European countries. It seems that we have to belong to this club or they're gonna kneecap us, and you side with them?
This depends on how relevant the standards and regulations are. For example, how quiet a lawn mower must be?
The difference between a few decibels maybe irrelevant to us, but could cost a huge amount for a small business to pay for development and auditing.
No. We trade with the rest of the world according to EU regulations.
You'd trust a union that, according to you, is now going to encourage the collapse of our economy?
No, we did that.
After Brexit is completed I'm expecting a hefty payrise, cheaper food and petrol, paying less taxes and national insurance, cheaper flights to my favourite holiday destinations, scraping of university fees, cheaper gas and electric and guaranteed zero deposit zero percent mortgages so I can buy lots of properties. A dramatically improved weather would also be nice but I understand it's beyond the scope.
More people than do now and then we didn't have mobile phones, large screen TVs , computers or any luxuries, people have been better off as time has passed - you really have no idea.
No. It's you who has no idea.
Years ago, the difference between middle and working class wasn't as big as it is now. The tory government of the 80s made it very easy for council house owners to buy their homes. This gave the working class the ability to invest within their means, and gave the government a huge income. Since then these investments have risen to where the working class can barely afford to survive without the burden of huge debt that would not have been possible years ago.
Am I just talking to kids in this thread?
No I'm 61 and lived through it, you have no idea whatsoever at all , zilch. Absolutely ridiculous rubbish you are spouting.
Great pushing my buttons, but you, me, and anyone else on here doesn't have a definitive answer, and nobody else will do. Of course you may do, and can enlighten us?
So you talk about advancements in technology making certain luxuries affordable today, while ignoring the fact that the more essential things that were affordable years ago are now becoming less and less affordable today?
You're talking rubbish, mate!
Which planet do you come from?
It's pointless arguing with a know all who knows absolutely nothing, it's insulting to people who struggled just to make ends meet. People couldn't afford the essentials not the luxuries, unbelievable.
I remember back before the referendum people here were telling us about all the terrors that would be awaiting us if we voted out, and how the country was doomed. I said that it was all rubbish.
10 Months after we voted out, it's not turned out so bad so far has it?
I know we haven't actually left the EU yet, but the markets are pretty stable, and the pound is heading to a realistic rate.
10 Months after we voted out, it's not turned out so bad so far has it?
I know we haven't actually left the EU yet, but the markets are pretty stable, and the pound is heading to a realistic rate.
Newlyweds moved into council rented homes, and pensioners could afford heating bills, and were able to buy fresh meat, while today young people cannot afford to get on the property ladder, and pensioners struggle with fuel bills, and cannot afford to buy a leg of lamb for £25.
Do you actually live in the UK?
Advancements in technology make gadgets more affordable for some of us.
I did until 10 years ago and worked for a Uk company till last year.
People could not get on the property ladder then. I did in the 70s because my dad lent me the deposit. I struggled hard to pay the mortage , sometimes we didn't eat, sometimes we didn't pay the mortgage, there were no handouts and I'm from a middle class background. In my whole life I've only ever received a few quid in child benefit from the state , never been unemployed , never received any social security and paid a fortune in tax in later life as I worked my way up.
My father was a financial controller of a large company, he got his first car , first TV and central heating when I was a kid. A lot of people didn't even have that.
Washing machines, fridges were rare.
Food bill in the 70s was £10 a week, full tank of petrol a fiver, struggled to pay it.
It's all relative
The Doomongers on here are amazing, big mention to Paul, it's pathetic, the deal and the future haven't yet been done.
Why is it pathetic - but to say the economy is doing well despite nothing having happened so far makes no sense.
I could predict United will win the PL in 2020 but I'd be considered wrong because it hasn't happened yet
Why is it pathetic - but to say the economy is doing well despite nothing having happened so far makes no sense.
I could predict United will win the PL in 2020 but I'd be considered wrong because it hasn't happened yet
Brexit decision happened, the predicted meltdown didn't happen, boo hoo. You must have been licking your lips at the prospect of UK demise, and so disappointed that it didn't happen, as the IMF revised their figures you must have been crying into your beer.
It's nothing to do with what I want to happen, it's what I predict will happen - so far it's gone exactly as I expected other than it's taken the Uk a year to even start talking , we've only had stage 1 so far , there's still a long way to go. If the Uk get single market and all the benefits of the EU then they'll be fine, well done, trouble is it will cost them and won't really have left the EU. Thus what was the point?
Remain campaigners predicted utter chaos and it didn't happen? No shit. The UK's economy not going into freefall and a host of other end-of-the-world prophecies not coming true doesn't exactly translate into the country being in a good, strong position, though, does it. It's pretty bloody early to be talking in such a haughty tone when there's still so much to get through.
Forgive my ignorance - doesn't remaining in the single market but leaving the EU mean that the UK will no longer be under legislative mandates from Brussels or be part of any further federalisation/unionising?
The UK will still need to abide by European legislation with any products or services traded with the EU.
The only real difference is that we no longer have a vote.
If they remain in the single market the goods they sell to the EU have to comply with EU regulations and be under the jurisdiction of the ECJ, the same as if they export to any other countries, they have to comply with the regulations of the countries they are exporting to.
There has to be a cost for that which is the four freedoms and contributions like Norway and Switzerland. They will have no say in the EU.
There's only one thing which is less affordable now than before is housing
Home ownership is much higher now than then:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....england-and-wales/short-story-on-housing.html
Do you think housing is more affordable now then a decade ago?
Probably not , prices have boomed through lack of availability but I'm talking about the 60s and 70s.
I bought my first property in the seventies and sold it four years later at double the price I paid for it , so price booming is not a new thing.
There's no probably about it
Maybe not but as I said it's not a new thing, additionally interest rates were far higher back in the days so was very difficult to be a home owner unless you could buy a council property in the 80s but then of course people moaned about having less council homes to rent.