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What i don't get about reckless is how he can do it.

He didn't stand for a seat and get elected, the Welsh assembly works on proportional representation for a lot of it, where each party is awarded a number of seats based on the votes they received, and fill those seats from a list of candidates submitted before the election.

That is how Neil Hamilton got a seat. Its also how Reckless got one.

I don't get how he can change parties and keep a seat that was not awarded to him, but to UKIP. I am no fan of UKIP by any stretch, but this seems farcical that he can switch sides and take a parties seat with him. Surely he must stand aside and allow UKIP to replace him with another candidate from the list.
 
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*Now more expensive because of the sterling slump.
 
Reckless is on far shakier ground than Carswell, given he was elected via party list.
 
AMS doesn't have a facility for by-elections at all so Reckless will probably be alright.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
What i don't get about reckless is how he can do it.

He didn't stand for a seat and get elected, the Welsh assembly works on proportional representation for a lot of it, where each party is awarded a number of seats based on the votes they received, and fill those seats from a list of candidates submitted before the election.

That is how Neil Hamilton got a seat. Its also how Reckless got one.

I don't get how he can change parties and keep a seat that was not awarded to him, but to UKIP. I am no fan of UKIP by any stretch, but this seems farcical that he can switch sides and take a parties seat with him. Surely he must stand aside and allow UKIP to replace him with another candidate from the list.
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Them's not the rules.
 
Dobba said:
Michael Caine has said he voted Brexit because he'd "rather be a poor master, than a rich servant".

...during a contractually obliged press day for his new film, written by Ted Melfi and directed by Zach Braff.
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He'd pick being poor over being rich? Yeah, right. Fraud.
 
If all the things May is now prepared to cede on are true, why the feck are we leaving then?
 
Kentonio said:
My global corporation is quite happy there. If a global corporation wants to leave because they don't want to look after staff in a decent manner though, good riddance to them. I'm tired of this attitude that we have to constantly reduce the standards of how normal working people get to live their lives, just to allow for larger profit margins.
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Your global corporate is in the minority, investment in your country from globals is dwindling. Your youth unemployment is at the expense of the fat packages your mature employees dine out on.
 
Chorley1974 said:
Your global corporate is in the minority, investment in your country from globals is dwindling. Your youth unemployment is at the expense of the fat packages your mature employees dine out on.
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I live in France but my country is Britain. The increasingly xenophobic, small minded shit hole where working people are treated more and more like commodities. So yes, I can judge.
 
Kentonio said:
I live in France but my country is Britain. The increasingly xenophobic, small minded shit hole where working people are treated more and more like commodities. So yes, I can judge.
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You can judge but the fact of the matter is that big enterprise size companies are exiting france, italy, germany etc due to the high cost of doing business there. Having had to effectively make redundant people in some of those countries I can understand why, lots of people stealing a living because protected by labor laws.
 
Chorley1974 said:
You can judge but the fact of the matter is that big enterprise size companies are exiting france, italy, germany etc due to the high cost of doing business there. Having had to effectively make redundant people in some of those countries I can understand why, lots of people stealing a living because protected by labor laws.
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And yet the EU annual GDP continues to rise.
 
Kentonio said:
And yet the EU annual GDP continues to rise.
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Yes it does, but not sure what your point is. I work for one of the biggest IT companies in the world, it has actively moved operations out of certain countries, and in my business unit it has two hubs in EMEA, in Romania and the UK.
 
Chorley1974 said:
Yes it does, but not sure what your point is. I work for one of the biggest IT companies in the world, it has actively moved operations out of certain countries, and in my business unit it has two hubs in EMEA, in Romania and the UK.
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My point is that the endless competition to pull in the biggest corporations and to call that success, is not as black and white as it sometimes seems. Growth is only meaningful when it brings genuine growth in workers and societies standards of life. If a corporation hired thousands of workers but it's at bare minimum wages and the economic benefits only really benefit the shareholders, then it's false growth.
 
Kentonio said:
My point is that the endless competition to pull in the biggest corporations and to call that success, is not as black and white as it sometimes seems. Growth is only meaningful when it brings genuine growth in workers and societies standards of life. If a corporation hired thousands of workers but it's at bare minimum wages and the economic benefits only really benefit the shareholders, then it's false growth.
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The same businesses that usually dodge paying the lions share of their tax liabilities in the new host country while the politicians blindly overlook this because they're creating jobs leaving it to the underpaid locals and overstretched original small businesses to make up the tax shortfall from their ever diminishing purses. We're ghettoising our own employment landscape and patting ourselves on the back whilst doing so as it's a sign of growth, green shoots and all that bollocks.
 
Chorley1974 said:
You can judge but the fact of the matter is that big enterprise size companies are exiting france, italy, germany etc due to the high cost of doing business there. Having had to effectively make redundant people in some of those countries I can understand why, lots of people stealing a living because protected by labor laws.
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It's funny. I regularly visit Germany, France, Italy and the U.K. I live in the Netherlands. Of all those countries I mentioned the biggest shit hole is far & away Britain. Yet the British seem to think that their country is some kind of utopian society.
 
Rams said:
It's funny. I regularly visit Germany, France, Italy and the U.K. I live in the Netherlands. Of all those countries I mentioned the biggest shit hole is far & away Britain. Yet the British seem to think that their country is some kind of utopian society.
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Of course they don't at all. You have a weird view of what they supposedly think.
 
Red Defence said:
Of course they don't at all. You have a weird view of what they supposedly think.
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When I speak to my family & friends from Britain, most of them seem to think that Britain is the land of milk & honey and that I live in a 3rd World country.
 
Rams said:
When I speak to my family & friends from Britain, most of them seem to think that Britain is the land of milk & honey and that I live in a 3rd World country.
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Sounds like more of an issue for your family and friends to address.
 
Rams said:
It's funny. I regularly visit Germany, France, Italy and the U.K. I live in the Netherlands. Of all those countries I mentioned the biggest shit hole is far & away Britain. Yet the British seem to think that their country is some kind of utopian society.
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I'd add Spain in there too. I reckon England comfortably has the most squalid, shithole towns in the G7. I thought it was a predominantly northern thing until I moved to London and visited the likes of Northampton, Swindon and Croydon. It's nationwide.
 
Jippy said:
I'd add Spain in there too. I reckon England comfortably has the most squalid, shithole towns in the G7. I thought it was a predominantly northern thing until I moved to London and visited the likes of Northampton, Swindon and Croydon. It's nationwide.
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That's rubbish. Go on a tour of American ghettos and trailer parks and say that. America has the worst poverty rates of the G7 nations. Spain, Italy and Portugal might look nicer because its sunny but their poverty rates are comfortably higher as well. Even Canada has higher poverty rates than the U.K.
 
Jippy said:
I'd add Spain in there too. I reckon England comfortably has the most squalid, shithole towns in the G7. I thought it was a predominantly northern thing until I moved to London and visited the likes of Northampton, Swindon and Croydon. It's nationwide.
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You should visit the US.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
That's rubbish. Go on a tour of American ghettos and trailer parks and say that. America has the worst poverty rates of the G7 nations. Spain, Italy and Portugal might look nicer because its sunny but their poverty rates are comfortably higher as well. Even Canada has higher poverty rates than the U.K.
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I dunno the hard stats on poverty, maybe going more on aesthetics.
 
Massive Spanner said:
You should visit the US.
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I was shocked by the tent cities under overpasses in SanFran tbh. In Paris now and the number of Syrian families sleeping on the streets with young kids is depressing too.
 
Jippy said:
I was shocked by the tent cities under overpasses in SanFran tbh. In Paris now and the number of Syrian families sleeping on the streets with young kids is depressing too.
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San Fran is the wealthiest city in the US, too!

Driving through L.A.. now that's something. Gives a good indication of how great the States is if you've money and how awful it is if you don't.
 
Massive Spanner said:
San Fran is the wealthiest city in the US, too!

Driving through L.A.. now that's something. Gives a good indication of how great the States is if you've money and how awful it is if you don't.
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I went to SF on a business trip last March or April. Their homeless are very different too- crazy methheads as opposed to our mainly drunks. Didn't see that in Miami- just pensioners with taut faces and perkier tits than most 18 year olds...but with hands like a gnarled witch.
 
Jippy said:
I went to SF on a business trip last March or April. Their homeless are very different too- crazy methheads as opposed to our mainly drunks. Didn't see that in Miami- just pensioners with taut faces and perkier tits than most 18 year olds...but with hands like a gnarled witch.
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Well you have to remember that most of the homeless population in SF go there from less wealthy states and cities. It's why there are so many and it's such a problem. Although property prices there are insane. I thought Dublin and London were bad until I went there with work and heard what people were paying.

The Bay Area though, beautiful, I do think there isn't a better place to live on earth if you have the money for it.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Well you have to remember that most of the homeless population in SF go there from less wealthy states and cities. It's why there are so many and it's such a problem. Although property prices there are insane. I thought Dublin and London were bad until I went there with work and heard what people were paying.

The Bay Area though, beautiful, I do think there isn't a better place to live on earth if you have the money for it.
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Agree, we flew out on Saturday and had Sunday in Napa Valley drinking wine. Beautiful place and great lifestyle.
It's sad I guess that they become a hub for homeless- underlines the gulfs in society.
 
Jippy said:
Agree, we flew out on Saturday and had Sunday in Napa Valley drinking wine. Beautiful place and great lifestyle.
It's sad I guess that they become a hub for homeless- underlines the gulfs in society.
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On my daily route from my London home (in zone 3) to work (in zone 1) I will see about one or two Eastern European 'beggars' who I just walk past. No beggars at bus stops, very few if any outside tube stations, zero anywhere within the tube station itself, and maybe 1 or 2 on my walk to the office from the station. There are usually one or two I feel sorry for and maybe even contribute by buying them food or some change. At no point do I feel any of them might be a drugged crazy that will stab me for 20p. And I know for 90% of the people 'on the street' there is help even if it doesn't directly take them off the street at once.

If I saw any more homeless than that, and in worst state, i.e. children (no I don't mean the Eastern European ones wearing brand new Nike t-shirt trainers while their mums beg) then I would probably break down in tears. People in London just aren't used to seeing squalor that Europeans and Amercians have become accustomed to in their major cities. These are the unquantifiable differences between living in London and other major western cities.
 
Dumbstar said:
On my daily route from my London home (in zone 3) to work (in zone 1) I will see about one or two Eastern European 'beggars' who I just walk past. No beggars at bus stops, very few if any outside tube stations, zero anywhere within the tube station itself, and maybe 1 or 2 on my walk to the office from the station. There are usually one or two I feel sorry for and maybe even contribute by buying them food or some change. At no point do I feel any of them might be a drugged crazy that will stab me for 20p. And I know for 90% of the people 'on the street' there is help even if it doesn't directly take them off the street at once.

If I saw any more homeless than that, and in worst state, i.e. children (no I don't mean the Eastern European ones wearing brand new Nike t-shirt trainers while their mums beg) then I would probably break down in tears. People in London just aren't used to seeing squalor that Europeans and Amercians have become accustomed to in their major cities. These are the unquantifiable differences between living in London and other major western cities.
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I work in Vauxhall and have to pass about four on average a day. There's one scraggy aggressive cnut who I've seen being led off by the police a few times.
More tiresome than anything. They're all druggies round there- big local methadone clinic.
 
Apparently it looks like there might have been foreign hacking of a government website used for registrations for the referendum. The cabinet committee think there was a DDOS attack that crashed the site, but say it didn't effect the result in any way because the deadline was extended to compensate.

The government spokeswoman meanwhile shows that she has no idea what a DDOS attack actually is with the following statement..

A Cabinet Office spokeswoman said there was no evidence to support the committee’s claim of possible interference from foreign governments.

“We have been very clear about the cause of the website outage in June 2016. It was due to a spike in users just before the registration deadline. There is no evidence to suggest malign intervention,” she said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ay-have-interfered-in-brexit-vote-report-says

That's what a DDOS attack looks like you fecking idiot! :lol:
 
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