There would be no problem but if your arguments are correct then we can stop pretending and embrace the xenophobic nature of Brexit.
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There would be no problem but if your arguments are correct then we can stop pretending and embrace the xenophobic nature of Brexit.
Whilst Brexit was largely driven by xenophobia there is nothing xenophobic about a free trade agreement with another bloc of countries. The UK govt have mooted including all the commonwealth. If it makes economic sense (it might not) then all the flapping from the left about 'empire 2.0' should be ignored. I voted remain but I would like a CANZUK agreement in future simply because they include two countries that I wouldn't mind living in.
Not that I see it happening mind.
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Look at your argument for these specific countries, you said that they were ruled by the Queen which is true and then you used the germanic origins of the brits, so FOM isn't right with the EU but it's right when it concerns countries with the same culture.
We'd look like a bunch of xenophobic hypocrites?
Are we going to get into another debate where you keep replying to me by talking about something else?
When did I say there was something wrong with FoM? If I thought that then why would I vote remain?
@Kentonio
I voted remain so I wouldn't. If you were not in favour of FoM with the EU trading block but in favour of the other then maybe.
We are leaving the EU so I'm only really bothered what is best for the country going forward.
It's about Brexit not you specifically.
Fair enough. This CANZUK idea doesn't have serious traction anyway. The UK commonwealth free trade agreement wouldn't include FoM either and is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Been here since 1979 and absolutely no way I'll be going back to the UK now - the country's fecked, I tell you, fecked.
Wouldn't be able to buy anything as it's all imported and what with the arsed out £ plus tariffs, we'd have to survive on grass from the back garden....
And the millions of unemployed racists who'll be looting Aldi and Lidl in revenge inbetween kicking the shit out of anyone with a sun tan....
And we'd have to bike it to to Costa del Fleetwood for our holidays cause we couldn't afford a car - even one made in the UK cause all the parts are imported....
And the EU Defence Force, led by the Spanish army will be handing out food parcels to everyone, sent to them by donations from the Somalian version of Comic Relief....
And there'll be no doctors and nurses in the hospitals except a few remaining Eastern European builders turned doctors but who are wizzo with a saw and a nail gun even if you've only got a bad case of dandruff....
And when I've gone through all that for 10 years, the UK will have to rejoin the EU, and I'd just be back where I started.
Well....Thats according to most you guys on here, anyway....
By the way - why are you going for full citizenship ? No intention of returning to the UK yourself ? I've thought about the citizenship thing myself from time to time, but my wife's German and when we were trying to agree on which country to live in, she didn't like the UK, I wasn't too keen on NRW where she was living, so we sort of settled on France as we both liked the lifestyle, the climate, and nice property was stupidly cheap. If the shit hits the fan and Macron decides to kick out the English, I'll apply for German citizenship - if Le Pen wins, my wife will probably have to apply for UK citizenship, lol.
And almost forgot about the UK - it rains every day and Stockport County will still be in National League North.
I'll leave you guys in peace now - going on holiday for a month or so tomorrow. Hope you've got it all sorted by the time we get back.
I dunno ask your feckin friends what the single most important policy was why they voted tory
Excellent post
Depicting the gloom of the remain camp to a tee, even without sarcasm
Is carvalhal from Galicia?
In the future? Free movement with Europe
Settle down. I don't think anyone takes CANZUK that seriously but all the countries mentioned are multicultural anyway and the cultural links are undeniable. The Queen is head of state of all them for a start and I have family or friends in all of them, as do many people in the U.K. Why not call the EU the 'whiteosphere'?
Nah, they only want this as think Australia is like the set of Neighbours, and the Aussies are quite racist.
is this the new obsession of todays youth? Which countries around the world do not have any racism whatsoever?
Why can't India have the same?
Nah. I'm 37. I wish I was still young
Why can't they join the EU?
It would be completely crazy for the UK to offer FoM to a developing country with a population of 1bn+.
I'm sure they would fail to meet EU membership criteria on numerous counts as well, which could be baseline requirements. Canada, Australia and New Zealand would meet them
There is no reason not to recruit from Indian on a pragmatic basis I would say. It would make sense really given the language and cultural links. Indians assimilate well too.
The EU is a regional Union, its members are part of the Council of Europe.
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Let them join. Why discriminate on the count of something as meaningless as a continent on a map. It doesn't sound very EUtopian.
Because India wants to be members?
You know, I understand and agree with the fact that every brits should now be behind the best Brexit possible but the arguments and the way you are always having a dig or pointing at the EU, is a bit strange.
No-one said anything about countries not having any racism. But that doesn't change the fact that Australia is still quite racist.
The point is that it is ludicrous at the moment to propose a UK - India trade deal with FoM just like it would be to propose a similar one between the EU and India, or the EU and Libya for one that could work in easily in terms of geography.
I only take shots at the EU because the idea that it is some sort of entirely benevolent liberal movement that is a guarantee of economic prosperity is absolute nonsense. That is the view that is propagated by the remoaners. I only use remoaner as a term as it differentiates between remain voters that accept the vote and want to move forward as best as possible and those that can't accept the new reality.
your posts are meaningless, why not try and contribute to the discussion?
They wouldn't impliment the Humans right act into law. Britain and India would be closer once we've left as we're leaving that behind and Brexiters keep telling us how good a legacy we left in India with their system of law.
4 days after triggering article 50 and we were already threatening war, I think we are entitled to moan as we anticipated this stupidity
Other than the NHS being short of staff and prices going up, I don't believe I said any of that.
The reasons I live here is about the same as you.
My wife is French and my children/grandchildren have dual nationality so I'm the only non-French person in this side of the family other than my son-in-law who lives here.
Since I moved here 10 years ago I never had any intention of returning and had been thinking for a while of changing nationality but as there was no need I didn't bother but Brexit has given me the motive to go ahead. It is a very simple and cheap process so I may as well do it so that no problems could arise should the Nazis come to power at any time in the future.
Have a good holiday, hopefully not in Fleetwood!
Like most people, cos they always did. If I was there now I wouldn't vote for them but there's no-one else I would vote for either.
And I'm entitled to moan about you moaning.
Maybe so but not as meaningless as discussing war with spain ffs
It's worthy of discussion because it's in our best interests to get along with our EU neighbours, not have petty squabbles with them. Pretty sure that is why it's being discussed and not because there is any realistic chance of it happening.
The whole referendum was a lesson in stupidity. It was not legally binding and too close to have been a decisive factor in a matter as serious as this.
"Oh, this is against the wishes of the people" is overblown. They really should have waited for the next election and took this forward along normal lines. If a Brexit party wins, then so be it.
"Oh, this is against the wishes of the people" is overblown. They really should have waited for the next election and took this forward along normal lines. If a Brexit party wins, then so be it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit
Euro clearing relocation away from London
Euro clearing relocation away from London
Taking back control, then ?
Will Scotland have to be careful it doesn't become a Spanish pawn in the Eurogame ? The deal on offer could be joint sovereignty over Gibraltar for Spain, if not they'll encourage Scotland to leave the UK.
What's the score at the moment - Brexit 6 - EU 0 ?
I think they were own goals.
You know there will be Brexiteers outraged that the nasty EU will pinch at least some of London's business but imagine the uproar if clearance of Sterling was done in the EU.
That is true. It did gall some member states that Euro clearing was done outside of the Eurozone anyway!
The only reason so many right wingers in the Tory party voted out was to cut regulations to steal jobs, they seem surprised the EU might not be up for it
However, Weber, speaking ahead of a debate on Brexit in the European parliament, said he feared too many British citizens and politicians did not understand the full repercussions of the country’s decision last June.
He said he had been surprised by the reaction in the UK to the decision by the EU to give Spain a veto on allowing Gibraltar to benefit from any future EU-UK trade deal. “From now on we will have the interests of the EU27 in mind, not of the British,” Weber said. “That’s the outcome when you leave this family.
“Some of the politicians in London have not understood what leaving the European Union means. It means being alone.”
On the future of the financial services sector in the UK, and euro-denominated clearing in particular, Weber added: “Great Britain after leaving will be a third country.
“We have to find a way of working together, but we have the obvious interest that places like Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin and Frankfurt can win as they [London] lose.”
That's exactly what I've been saying all along. The EU doesn't care if by kicking a hornet nest 100 out of 120 UK jobs would go to New York and only 5 go to the EU. For them its 5 jobs won. There's absolutely no difference for the EU between New York, Islamabad or London. They are all cities of some random third country.
Theresa May confirms we won't get an EU trade deal signed within two years.
http://news.sky.com/story/no-signed-future-brexit-deal-within-two-years-says-theresa-may-10824347
http://news.sky.com/story/no-signed-future-brexit-deal-within-two-years-says-theresa-may-10824347
How is that news? It takes 2 years to leave then you discuss trade.
Not exactly, you have two years within the EU to make a deal with the EU after that you lose the rights that membership grants.