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So May has issued a list of principles in her letter, the first of which is:
Does she really think the rest of Europe is as easy to bullshit as the telegraph, mail and sun readership?
I guess that's why she choose this man to represent her:Theresa May said:
Does she really think the rest of Europe is as easy to bullshit as the telegraph, mail and sun readership?
Amazing that the smoking ban is now completely accepted on all sides.
To be fair, we don't know the age demographics, ethnicities or location of the people who were polled, or the questions that they were asked, to lead to these results.
I'm sure there may be people who hold some of those views, but the entire poll smells like it was set up to achieve those exact results. Moreover 53% of 880 people, is around 450 or so. It is fairly disingenuous to take the opinions of 450 people and exclaim that leave voters as a monolith want to bring back the death penalty.
This isn't directed at you mate, I'm just slightly annoyed at seeing that poll everywhere.
That's how polling works. Ask a small, representative amount of people to gauge within a small margin of error, what they think. Yougov is a reputable pollster because like other reputable pollsters their results tend to be within the margin of error.
take anything with a yougov brand with a pinch of salt, and I mean anything.
I saw one of their 'surveys' once, the introduction was leading, and so were the questions themselves. Polls today are intended to shape public opinion, not reflect it. That is why every major polling company operating in the UK has an ex politician somewhere on the board. Yougov was founded by one.
I saw one of their 'surveys' once, the introduction was leading, and so were the questions themselves. Polls today are intended to shape public opinion, not reflect it. That is why every major polling company operating in the UK has an ex politician somewhere on the board. Yougov was founded by one.
No they aren't, the only people who read polls are effectively nerds who are well set in their opinions. If anyone is ploughing millions into polling, of all things, to shape public opinion then they're idiots, and I have a few ideas for them. That's why political campaigns spend more on polls then the public organisations do, to get more precise data.
Flawed polls and absurd questions are abundant, but that doesn't change much.
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Sky have a Brexit deadline day countdown. 
If they don't keep that up for the full duration they're a bunch of pussies.
Not one bit. Yougov is a private (probably for profit) org that does this professionally. There client requesting the poll may have had a dodgy intent on the questions that you mention.
They are not any better or worse that rest of polling orgs. They dont cost millions. The costs are in low thousands for most polls.
I meant overall budgets/repeat costumers. I'd be willing to bet the bigger clients have run up tabs in the millions over the years.
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Yes. Sorry dint understand your comment.
Although that would be one hell of a gestapo if someone were running 1000's of loaded surveys.
When he was president Sarkozy spent 9.4m€ in polling.
My own personal dealings with YouGov polls don't lead me to have much faith in them. I took part in one about two weeks ago. They got my name, age and place of residence right. Almost evrything else was dire, along the lines of :
Would you prefer your team to lose the cup final ;
0-2 ?
1-3 ?
3-5 ?
Most of the questions were unanswerable because they didn't include anything remotely close to my situation, yet I couldn't move on without putting an answer.
It is the standard format for a letter from the PM. Don't ask me why.
There's the full poll tables here, for anyone that wants to look at the breakdowns more closely - http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...q3i9/InternalResults_170222_AfterBrexit_W.pdf
5% of 18-24 year olds want shillings brought back ffs, surely Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't have that many kids.
5% of 18-24 year olds want shillings brought back ffs, surely Jacob Rees-Mogg doesn't have that many kids.
Wages of ten shillings were pretty good for paper boys around 1945, which might be what's on offer in the near future.
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So every demographic is against bringing back corporal punishment in schools except 1, guess who
They're not going to have that fecking thing plastered across the screen for 2 years are they??Sky have a Brexit deadline day countdown.
If you're missing 'Brexit - What Next?' on BBC1 you're missing a masterclass in dodging some of the softest questions you could think of asking the appeaser.
She has nothing. Absolutely fecking nothing.
She has nothing. Absolutely fecking nothing.
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'That's another thing we'll be negotiating'.
I think Andrew Neil has been ok tbf- 'this is the third time I'm asking'.
They cut the interview off before he started massaging her shoulders.
So what sort of terms will we be negotiating, I'm not big into politics but since i'm from England it directly applies to me. Trade perks for free movement seems like the obvious one, any others? Would love to get clued in by some of our Caf's politicians!
No trade perks, no freed of movement more likely.
As much as I'd love to help clue you in, I'm no better off and still stuck on Brexit meaning Brexit.
The difference between these two interviews.
Suddenly he's interrupting answers and talking over the interviewee, the Tory lap dog cnut.
Suddenly he's interrupting answers and talking over the interviewee, the Tory lap dog cnut.
Tim Farron gets grouped in with Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs
It's a thought, but I'm not sure I'd swap the South of France for the cold, wet UK
Just an add-on to my reply Bury Red's post - it's usually Paul who accusues BREXIT supporters of being xenophobic / racist / ignorant.
Too many for right now...Look out later tonight / tomorrow, although I'm not sure you'd fully undertsand if you thing Britain has a land border with France.
Hasn't Neil got a place a Trump towers. Certainly knows his place.The difference between these two interviews.
Suddenly he's interrupting answers and talking over the interviewee, the Tory lap dog cnut.
They share a bond over their shit toupees. All Andrew's is missing is the chin strap.Hasn't Neil got a place a Trump towers. Certainly knows his place.
Look at the bright side of life. The “Economist for Brexit” forecast was much more accurate (and positive) compared to the BoE or the treasury forecast. They even got the FX rate changes pretty much spot on. I don’t share their long term optimism, but a slightly more balanced outlook is probably warranted. The reality is that almost all political economics, social scientists, journalists and the majority of traditional economists are staunchly for the EU. The LSE/G-5, are frenetically pro-EU. That bias might occasionally cloud their judgment. Any economic and political model is filled with very subjective and potentially biased assumptions. It is hard to avoid group-think (Obviously that applies to both sides and myself as well).
The only thing where I am personally (subjectively!) convinced to have seen enough “hard-evidence” is that immigration will play a key-role. Changing the access to UK labour market could really have a massive (negative) impact. There is surprisingly thin evidence for the negative impact of other factors like trade rules, access for services to the single market et.al. That doesn’t mean that these things don’t have a significant impact; it is just very uncertain.
That should put strong pressure on May to maintain fairly free movement.
Don't worry about naming them all. Name a couple.
If you can't grasp the concept of a joke, it's completely understandable that you've been sucked in my Farage and his disinformation.
Sorry - didn't see it as even a poor joke....Guess we have a different sense of humour as well as political opinion.
Oh, and didn't get sucked in at all by anyone - Farage's lies or Cameron's lies as UK leaving makes absolutely bugger all difference to me stuck here in the EUSSR other than to give me some hope that France will vote out as well, one day.
So still not prepared to give any reasons. Just the usual debate with a brexiteer. Lots of insults for the EU and "better out" fluff comments but never prepared to actually talk about the issues.
Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
I don't believe you know that much about the EU.
Technically there is a land border between the UK and France, it's in the tunnel since the maritime frontiers cross said tunnel.
Or Free trade and Democracy,