Technically being the operative word, though....
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Technically being the operative word, though....
Can you imagine your workplace going under and suddenly finding yourself on the run from the coppers? What a horrific idea, unemployment a crime. Fecking hell.
I don't believe in unnecessary words.
That is ridiculous bordering on swivel eyed lunacy
You knew you were in for a doozy when he started his post complaining about insults. It's the internet equivalent of giving your mate your beer, saying "watch this" and immediately breaking your neck.
It's the same with the Trump fans. So many of them start with 'you're saying mean things about me'. People really can't handle being called out on their own bullshit it seems. Full Bodied even brought up not liking being called xenophobic/racist without any instigation earlier, someone had mentioned him on an entirely different point.
I know a lad who voted for Brexit because, in his own words, 'he was sick he was being told he was a racist', in the same conversation he told us that he hated Bulgarians and Romanians. This is a guy who I met while we were both studying on Erasmus, he was quite happy to accept the grant then though.
The EU commission may be undemocratic but we all elect representatives who go directly to Brussels. There are/were problems regarding the democratic nature of the EU but it's not as simple as a bunch of highers-ups simply choosing each other to implement policy over which member states have no say. Countries can often have restrictions/vetoes on certain things - that's where the bureaucracy comes in. You can't have something that's undemocratic and ignores people yet also listens to them too often - pick one.
I'm not at all sure how the EU has pushed Putin too far, unless accepting Russian border states who want to join the EU is somehow overstepping the mark. They're their own sovereign nations, and Putin should have no say over what direction they wish to go on.
Ironically often doing so at the same time as they deride their free speech supposedly being curtailed. Presumably that's only applicable until other people start offending them.
Do you consider UK chancelleries undemocratic? Do people elect the Exchequer Chancellor?
I'd not necessarily consider it undemocratic if it was a position which made sense for us to pick instead of electing. Does the EU commission not directly propose policy, though? Obviously it doesn't just say, "Right, we've decided this, here you go," as any policy implementation will take a long time to debate, and will possibly be dismissed if certain member states are unhappy, but does the commission not have a fair bit of clout, perhaps beyond that of a standard unelected part of government? Again, could be wrong...my own knowledge of the EU is limited in certain respects as it's a much more complex organisation than a lot of people give it credit for.
I dunno about group think. I know a lot of financial journos, having been in the game for over 16 years, and most are left. I'm actually historically right (no love for the current Tory party), but we're all pro-EU, barring one guy I know. Maybe it is group think, but we're all from different socio-economic, racial, religious backgrounds etc...
1- who voted theresa may?
2- will the uk remove all tarriffs now? (Ex agricultural ones?
3- how come the third most voted party in the uk ended up with no mp? Can you please lost the nationality of the laziest meps in the past years?
4- brexit had increased the amount people working with civil service
5- you mean Scotland?
6- you mean like the uk did with banks?
7- its ok to sell weapons to saudi though?
8- the eu allow any country to check out at any time. Does the uk do the same thing?
9- so you are against the existence of the uk?
10- so youre against hard brexit?
11- youre setting hard borders to Scotland and Northern Ireland then?
12- if Scotland leaves the uk then you'll give it any deal it wants?
13- same as you helped yemen then?
Is it me or Therese May doesn't know what to do? She said she shares european values, but then why are you leaving?
When did you stop being 'sticky tip'? Just noticed!
I've lived inside the EEC/EC/EU since the UK joined in 1973.
And I've tried to stand up to it since 2005 - JPRouve will know the significance of 2005 and might tell you all why.
And yourself ?? You live inside the EU ?? And where ?? And since when ??
Idk, whenever some photo of Blind rocking a boner popped up, couple years ago maybe.
Everything's up in the air tbf. If she wades in saying we'll defo get this or that, she can't win. Impossible position really. Jesus, this won't end well.
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic.
Despite literally every decision being voted on by every single one of its members?
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist
The EU promotes completely free trade within the EU meaning we can trade freely with our biggest trading partners. Trade outside the EU comes with tariffs and restrictions.
The situation now is going to be tariffs and restrictions with our biggest trading partners as well as tariffs and restrictions with non-EU countries. So very much not free-trade.
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t
That's just more fluff.
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t
More Farage induced waffle. The decisions our government have made is on our government, they chose to flog off our Fishing quotas to European mega-trawlers and the immigration policies have been decided by them, if they wanted it to be stricter there was nothing stopping them.
Unless you are talking about workers rights and human rights?
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare
The UK government is in now way bloated and bureaucratic. It's crazy how many Brexiteers sudenly have such huge faith in the British government to look after the people's interests.
***I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies
What sort of world do you think we'd be living in if these countries were left to fail? Banks going bust would equate to, a massive rescission, huge scale unemployment, infrastructures left to rot, immigration spiking and a loss of trading partners. Despite what people seem to think, no prospering country has a closed economy. If you let your trade partners collapse, you're going to suffer yourself.
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has
What exactly have the EU done to push Putin? They're trying to contain his imperialism and latent disregard for democracy and human right.
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will
Despite promoting and celebrating the individual cultures of each nation and having different economic expectations of each country? The EU does absolutely nothing to suggest it's one homogenous nation. The clue is in the word "Union".
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems
The EU gives another platform to fight your case on if your local and national systems are working against you.
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment
You're a fecking moron.
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe.
He says without a whiff of irony from the comfort of his home in his adopted France.
I like clubs that set respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them.
More Faragian waffle.
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence
Because it's not letting us have our cake and eat it?
***I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit
Totally missed that!She's always been wishy-washy on the whole thing. Was rumoured to support Brexit, campaigned for Remain but didn't really campaign for Remain, and became this ardent Brexiter determined to give a voice to people she wouldn't have given a feck about had their vote share been slightly less. For all her talk of holding honest Christian values, she comes across as an unconvincing flip-flopper on a level that would make even Cameron blush.
Tbf, having a single interest rate and no ability for members to print their own currency is a massive economic problem. North and South Europe are very different economies.
Would you rather go down on her or Sturgeon?
Long enough to know "you weren't there man" belongs in Vietnam movies not in an international relations decision.
..Insults, insults....Always the bloody same with EU apologists....
So here you go for headlines
I believe in democracy – the EU is undemocratic. No it isn't, if it was a country, we'd call it a democracy. You can argue that you want more democracy, which I do too.
I believe in Free Trade – the EU is protectionist. It's hugely protectionist. But why are we pissing off our largest trading partner. We could have been like Norway, in the signle market, but able to make free trade deals also.
I believe in transparency and accountability – the EU isn’t. Agreed, the accountability of the EU is lacking
I believe countries should govern themselves for the benefit of their own citizens – the EU doesn’t How can you write that? Who else does it benefit
I believe in Lean Government – the EU is a bureaucratic nightmare Fair enough
I don’t like subsidising losers – the EU loves it What?
I object to paying tax to rescue basket case banks and economies – the EU loves spending my tax rescuing basket case banks and economies Fair enough, but they werent the only ones
I believe it’s stupid to push Putin too far – the EU already has. No, the EU act as a counterweight between Russia and the USA. The EU is Russia's largest oil buyer, and even sell Russia arms. What EU are you talking about?
I don’t think you can treat 28 different countries, economies and cultures as one homogenous nation – the EU thinks it can and insists that it will The EU doesn't do that at all.
I like to deal directly with my elected politicians when I have a problem with what they’re doing – the EU couldn’t give a shit about individuals’ problems. Fair enough to the first bit, although you already said it. But what individuals are you about?
I believe unemployment is a crime – the EU encourages unemployment. What
I don’t like open borders – the EU insists on open borders within mainland Europe. Fine
I like clubs that set then respect their own rules – the EU only does this when its suits them. Fair enough, although all governments change the rules over time
I don’t like vindictive ex-lover bunny boilers – the EU is proving it is a bunny boiler par excellence Right
I believe in helping the 3rd World economies – the EU only does it when it’s to the EU’s own benefit Fair enough
I voted for my MEPs. The Members of the European Council, and the Council of the EU, represent the Executive government, chosen democratically last time I checked. The bureaucracies and agencies we don't elect but we don't elect them on a national level either, so should we turn out backs on our domestic governments too?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements
not to mention all the laws protecting trade between Member States. Which the UK won't be part of now. There's case law as long as my arm on this. There are however external tariffs in certain fields, I'm sure you're well versed in all of them so I'll call this one a half point.
A noble statement in comparison. Again I'd just ask-why do you not have the same outrage on this matter in the domestic sphere.
Hey Donald.
What if the 3rd world economy is a 'basket case'?
You're absolutely right though-the EU loves having to bail out countries and banks. That's why they've tried to modify the EMU to stop that sort of thing happening again (with things like greater banking oversight etc)
So what would you do? Appeasing the likes of him and Erdogan has worked wonderfully.
I don't think you can either. I also think California and South Carolina being in the same country is funny but there you go. Incidentally, when does this happen?
The ECJ takes on individual cases. There's also an Ombudsman, and the EU Pilot mechanism. More importantly, most politicans at the domestic level don't give a shit about individuals, unless there's an election coming up. Should we sack off the parliament too and go live in the woods?
What the feck are you on about.
By the time the Schengen Agreement was adopted into EU law all the EU member states at the time (except UK and Ireland) had agreed to it. That's what I don't understand about this argument in particular, it is older than its time in EU Law, and more generally, it was the Member States' own doing, like much of what is agreed at EU level!
I know right, how dare they not just bend over to the UK after the UK made a decision to leave the EU. Pathetic!
The vicar's daughter? I thought Sturgeon's 'shanks' were more coquetteishly poised?It'd certainly be dirtier with May.
The debate about the 'divorce bill' is a bit odd. Various figures are being quoted, but always as a gross amount. Surely if it's for projects and spending already agreed then much of that sum will bounce back to the UK in the form of spending here. It's the net amount that matters.
Obviously pensions and such will have to be paid, and rightly so, but again, a proportion of that will be to British recipients, so hopefully most will come back to the UK.
Obviously pensions and such will have to be paid, and rightly so, but again, a proportion of that will be to British recipients, so hopefully most will come back to the UK.
feck it, I'll take em both...at the same time.
"I've lived there so I know all about it"
I don't get it that it's billed as an 'exit fee'. Surely if we've committed to long-term funding projects, then they are paid over several years, rather than a massive lump sum upfront cost.
Kind of made me laugh (more cry) that a vox pop on the news said Britain will get great trade deals cos 'everyone loves us'. Hmm...
The Commission's role is diminishing in relation to the other branches. I'm finishing an essay but can send you some stuff later in the week if you're interested.
Mingling fluids.
I think I now understand what this is all about:
Brexitier: "We finally have the right to self determination!"
So what are you going to do then?
Err....
Brexitier: "We finally have the right to self determination!"
So what are you going to do then?
Err....
To put it simply the commission is the Eu state and the commissioners are ministre/chancellors, so yes they directly propose laws who are submitted to the EU council and or the EU parliament.
1st ep of Futurama.
OTOH:
The fact that interest rates are set by the central bank with no political accountability and a directive to combat inflation is a de-facto tolerance of unemployment. (from my limited understanding)
Yeah that'd be quite interesting actually, thanks!
I don't see how continuing to pay for agreed projects until they end is an exit fee either. I suppose it's the running theme of Brexit, everyone wants answers to everything now, right away, whereas in reality we'll only learn little by little, and slowly. Still that gives lots of room for confident predictions and boasting bets about the future, so it seems to be keeping everyone happy, along with the insults of course.