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Ok, seems like the EU are ready to go in hard.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...icle-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-deal
  • a future relationship agreement between the European union and the UK “can only be concluded once the United Kingdom has withdrawn from the EU”.
  • there may be a transitional deal for after 2019 to ensure that custom controls and barriers on trade are not enforced on day one of Brexit, but that these arrangements should not exceed three years and will be “limited in scope as they can never be a substitute for union membership”.
  • the European court of justice will be responsible for settling any legal challenges during the transition period.
  • the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 but this must be “subject to conditions set by all EU27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”.
  • should Britain seek to negotiate any free trade deals with other countries while it is still an EU member state, there will be no future discussion of a deal with the union.
  • there will be no special deal for the City of London “providing UK-based undertakings preferential access to the single market and, or the customs union”.
  • the cut-off date after which EU nationals coming to the UK lose the automatic right to residency in the UK must not be before 29 March 2019, when the country leaves the EU, or the British government will be breaking EU law.
  • Britain should pay all its liabilities “arising from outstanding commitments as well as make provision for off-balance sheet items, contingent liabilities and other financial costs that arise directly as a result of its withdrawal”.
  • the outcome of the negotiations on the future EU-UK relationship “cannot involve any trade-off between internal and external security including defence cooperation, on the one hand, and the future economic relationship, on the other hand”.
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  • the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 but this must be “subject to conditions set by all EU27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”.
Would be bloody hilarious if the end result of all this is negotiations so bad the UK's only choice is to beg the EU to be allowed to stay as a fully integrated member with years of hard fought exemptions chucked down the toilet.
 
rcoobc said:
It's insane. She set her 10 dogs on him to make him leave after she found his quran. He keeps crying at random intervals today...

Trying to convince him to file a civil lawsuit, but I don't really know if it's good advice
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Can this not be a police/discrimination matter?

ThierryHenry said:
Just came here to post that. There is no way this negotiation ends up as a net positive for the country, and I can only feel annoyed by all the people who argued it would. What a ludicrous, unnecessary exercise.

Are there any (intelligent) pro-Brexit or optimistic reactions to the EU's negotiating position? Here or elsewhere.
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A short transitional deal is great for the EU. No sudden obstacles to EU-UK exports and plenty of time to hoover up jobs and investment whilst uncertainty about the UK's future trade deal hangs over it.
 
Well, UK wasn't a real part of EU anyway, seriously, who drives on the left side of the road??
 
Full bodied red said:
I don't mind being criticised for my views / opinions re BREXIT.

But I don't like being called xenophobic, racist, ignorant, etc, because my support for BREXIT is based on my absolute dislike for the EU, not my dislike of non-British people. I mean, I wouldn't have chosen to live in France the past 30-odd years if I did.
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I don't think @Bury Red said that at all though (unless it's somewhere else in the thread)
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
On some level though isn't it a tad hypocritical to go and live in another country and then start lecturing the country you left about how it should organise its affairs? It definitely takes a special personality type to be unaware of how immeasurably badly that would sit. Opinion is opinion but when you vote with your feet your views are not important to those you chose to leave. Isn't that the crux of almost all your posts in every thread you can bend to be in any way about brexit on this forum?

Just a thought.
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I didn't know people were not allowed to have an opinion on something unless they agree with you. why do my views bother you so much, when there are British leavers that live abroad, there are foreign posters who have never lived in the UK.

I left 10 years ago - before Brexit was even thought of. I still have family living in the UK, some of which voted Leave - unlike the Brexiters who hope the EU goes down the tube, hopefully the UK won't go down the tube either but they seem to be doing their very best.

Brexit, in my opinion, is the most stupid thing that the Uk have done since the 1930s
 
Untied said:
Can this not be a police/discrimination matter?.
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Police were blimming useless. I've had 5 major interactions with the police in my life, and they were useless every time. Sorry the caf policeman whatever his name was
712 said:
I know it's wrong, and only a complete shithead would find this funny, but well, sorry. I mean really there is absolutely nothing funny about it, 10 dogs and the discrimination and everything. Nothing at all. And writing woof woof on his desk when he goes to the loo would be a despicable act, don't even think about it.
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:lol:
 
Bury Red said:
Even if Paul never intends to come back to the UK why would he not wish it well and hope it would not deliberately damage itself? How can he be sure he'll never return, circumstances change, I've spent almost a third of my life as a long term resident in other countries and almost half of it elsewhere if you were to add up the business trips as well yet I've never thought I should not have an opinion or say on how the UK was run given that I might some day end up back there, that many of my family and friends are still there and that what the UK does is somehow reflected on me even if I'm not there or disagree with it's actions. As a Brit I'm at greater danger in the Middle East thanks to Blair's contrived wars regardless of my bitter objection to them and despite being vocally outspoken against Brexit I get the jibes from my mainland European colleagues and contacts on an almost daily basis.

It's always one way with the Brexiteers as well, Paul lives abroad so should can his Remoaning opinion but where's your criticism of Full Bodied Red or Stan for daring to comment on Brexit from their safe European homes? Just a thought on how you apply your accusations of hypocrisy.
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If you look at how often people replied here, you can see that 4 people posted far more often than the rest. 3 of these 4 posters just repeat the same statement over and over again without adding any other content to their message. You are entitled to post how you wants, but that can become quite annoying, especially when it is done in a very patronising tone.

Additionally I agree with @Don't Kill Bill that his posts hardly echos the message, that he wants this to be a success. This comment is also spot on:
He and others have made it plain they wish ill on the Uk with regards to the deal being struck because they see this as a zero sum game and they are in the EU corner.
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Classical Mechanic said:
Have you told the police? Sounds like a pretty serious crime and they shouldn't be allowed to rent out rooms.
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yeah they were there before I arrived.

They said they couldn't find a "criminal" element. One of the people getting kicked out kept asking for the policemans name and he kept avoiding giving it.

Such is this country
 
rcoobc said:
yeah they were there before I arrived.

They said they couldn't find a "criminal" element. One of the people getting kicked out kept asking for the policemans name and he kept avoiding giving it.

Such is this country
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Don't all uniformed police officers have their badge number on their arm as a matter of course?
 
rcoobc said:
yeah they were there before I arrived.

They said they couldn't find a "criminal" element. One of the people getting kicked out kept asking for the policemans name and he kept avoiding giving it.

Such is this country
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Tweet spare rooms. Make as many public posts about this as you can. At least the renter should be kicked off the service
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I voted to stay in the EU , but we are leaving there is no turning back, but this list is like the bitter ex who you are divorcing who just want to make it hard.
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I don't think people comprehend how long these deals take to strike. The one with Canada took over seven years and it was a far less open trade deal. It's completely unrealistic to expect a deal in the two year time-frame. Like it or not, the UK will be out of the free-trade zone, for a while at least.
 
May wants a tonne of things she's not going to get and is promising a lot of things she has absolutely no intention of providing.
 
NinjaFletch said:
  • the UK will be able to revoke its notification of article 50 but this must be “subject to conditions set by all EU27 so they cannot be used as a procedural device or abused in an attempt to improve the actual terms of the United Kingdom’s membership”.
Would be bloody hilarious if the end result of all this is negotiations so bad the UK's only choice is to beg the EU to be allowed to stay as a fully integrated member with years of hard fought exemptions chucked down the toilet.
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Has been my predication from the start really. Within this timeframe we'll have a deal and an election, if the deal is poor you can bet the next election will be fought on rejoining it before the end of transition.
 
rcoobc said:
It's insane. She set her 10 dogs on him to make him leave after she found his quran. He keeps crying at random intervals today...

Trying to convince him to file a civil lawsuit, but I don't really know if it's good advice
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I don't even know whether to be angry or sad. It's just acceptance now. I have been living in this country for seven years and last moth was the first time I have been racially abused and told to go back home.
I feel for your friend.
 
If anyone thinks we are going to be in a stronger position in a decade they are having a laugh. The £ will be weaker than the € by then.
 
Brexit has hardly started, and The Guardian has already switched to Welsh, to annoy continental europeans. :(

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Yeah, it was probably funnier in my head.
 
Full bodied red said:
I don't mind being criticised for my views / opinions re BREXIT.

But I don't like being called xenophobic, racist, ignorant, etc, because my support for BREXIT is based on my absolute dislike for the EU, not my dislike of non-British people. I mean, I wouldn't have chosen to live in France the past 30-odd years if I did.
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Presumably you will be coming back to the UK once we are free from EU tyranny?
 
I wonder what drives May on this, she doesn't believe its the right path to take so i can only imagine its the attraction of power and leading an historic moment. Maybe she just wants to 'win'.

I hope she feels a sense of shame when she parrots views to the public she doesn't believe.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I voted to stay in the EU , but we are leaving there is no turning back, but this list is like the bitter ex who you are divorcing who just want to make it hard.
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I don't really see it that way, the EU has interests to protect and they have no reason to act leniently. They are not going to be unfair but they are also not going to be nice and comprehensive, it's a business negotiation not a divorce conciliation.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I voted to stay in the EU , but we are leaving there is no turning back, but this list is like the bitter ex who you are divorcing who just want to make it hard.
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I just see it as a list of basically exactly what we knew back before June was going to be the case. All this shows is that they have little or no appetite for softening their approach, and frankly why should they? They have us over an absolute barrel and they know it. The only question appears to be how long before we realize it ourselves.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
I don't know how that was rocket science to understand.
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The only way the £ will be close or stronger than the € is if Brexit starts a chain of events which weaken the EU. Get ready for the big boys to start pulling out of London.
 
Pexbo said:
The only way the £ will be close or stronger than the € is if Brexit starts a chain of events which weaken the EU. Get ready for the big boys to start pulling out of London.
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The EU is weak, no chain of events need to happen. Look at the economic performance of the EU over the past 10 years. If a chain of events follow on from and in the of vein Brexit the EU will be finished completely within 5-10 years.

I would bet you now that the pound won't become worth less than the Euro and UK won't even enter recession in the next 5 years, unless a recession on a global scale occurred.
 
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