I'll have a wager with you that the Ukraine, Turkey and Morocco do not join the EU any time soon.
I'll also wager that the money the UK pay net to the EU will be less than what they lose if they leave under a Hard Brexit
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I'll have a wager with you that the Ukraine, Turkey and Morocco do not join the EU any time soon.
I'll also wager that the money the UK pay net to the EU will be less than what they lose if they leave under a Hard Brexit
I very much doubt any of those countries will be in the EU soon. The EU is in no mood to expand. In matter of fact, I sometimes wonder if they would kick countries like Greece out if they could. I can see a redimension of the EU budget after Brexit with some countries having to live with less while others having to fork more. It would be a blow, but its manageable.
Regarding the UK I can see the EU offering some concessions but at a very high price. That's what it does to Norway and Switzerland and unlike the UK they are seen as partners. The UK will have to pay, because no country can afford being cut off by an entire continent that they are part off.
Its too early to say what's going to happen. I doubt the UK will enjoy a similar deal to that offered to member states. Soon enough Trump will also go, replaced probably by a pro EU US president. That's bad news for Brexiters.
No wonder people don't buy as many newspapers as they used to, they can get it all from devilish in advance.
I can also guarantee that Trump will not be president in 8 years time
In other news the Pound is desperately trying to go below €1.14/£1 before the weekend
I will be very surprised if a 74 year old Trump will win next election. Unless of course the democrats aren't stupid enough to try and bring forward Clinton again
wtf, lack of english from asia is a complaint I've heard, not from the EU ffs.
And to Wolfman....
Perhaps you're right about those three countries not joining too soon, but I was trying to explain the poblems of the three countries who most want to join and will probably be the next ones to join but the problems that that would bring.
The EU directly caused the current problems in the Ukraine by openly encouraging Ukraine to turn its back on Russia and join the EU while forgetting and/or ignoring and/or dimissing ( take your pick ) the fact that the is a large minority of ethnic and Russian speaking Ukranians whose allegience and culture and language is Russian. And is why these ethnic Russians then ' invited ' Putin imto their region in South East Ukraine to preclude them from any future EU membership.
Turkey desperately wants to convert its current EU ' Preferred Trading Partner ' and membership of the Customs Union status into full membership. And arch EU supporter Cameron several times said he would support any application for Turkey to join the EU. Strange that the EU is happy to provide the ' Preferred Trading Partner ' status and membership of the Customs Union on Turkey but doesn't seem to want to give these to the UK after BREXIT, no ?
And Morocco ? Well, the EU has already given Morocco almost € 1.5 billion ( I'll repeat that - € 1.5 billion ) specifically to help Morocco prepare for EU membership. So why give so much money if a membership invitation isn't already prepared and is just waiting to be posted ?
The rest of your thoughts I totally agree with. Although I'll add that the same concerns must exist in EU land that they can't afford to be cut off from the world's fifth / sixth larget economy either....
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You haven't heard about people moaning about Poles, Bulgarians etc but you have heard about people moaning about those from ex-British colonies, but I thought the Commonwealth was the UK's target markets. So what is the problem with EU immigrants whereas according to Nick, it's not the numbers that are the problem but the diversity of the nationalities. More Nepalese I say
Morocco is part of the ENP, they aren't in Europe and their membership has already been ruled out long ago.
Turkey are so far away from complying with the requirements unlikely to be this century
Ukraine are part of DCFTA - membership of Eu blocked by Germany France, Austria , Belgium & Holland
Turkey are so far away from complying with the requirements unlikely to be this century
Ukraine are part of DCFTA - membership of Eu blocked by Germany France, Austria , Belgium & Holland
Your lack of knowledge and sense is disturbing.
None of these countries will ever get a membership, neither was it the EU's goal in Ukraine to get them towards a EU membership. Your analysis of the Ukranian conflict indicates you have rather interesting views about national independence in trade and foreign policy.
Your statements about Marocco are just straight up lies you either tell knowingly or by using really, really shitty sources. Even a pre-pre-eliminary status was dienied to Marocco in 1987 already, nothing has changed since then and neither side tried to change that status.
You might need to travel the UK more, I' seen this stuff a fair few times(I've also heard the same shite in Ireland as well). Xenophobia aimed at Polish people which ranges from such things as polish food shops to angry that someone is simply speaking polish in public.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...hook-town-harlow-could-more-trouble-be-coming
Just to share informations it was 1.5bn dirhams not Euros and it's part of the EU neighborood policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco–European_Union_relations
Add them up - almost € 1.5 billion since the original 1987 decision.
https://jamestown.org/program/brussels-ready-to-work-with-yanukovych-for-ukraine/
I think not....
Financial protocols (1977–1996)
Under the four financial protocols of the 1976 Cooperation Agreement[10] signed between the European Community (predecessor of the EU) and Morocco, Morocco received a total of €1091 million, including €574 million from the Community budget and of €518 million in the form of loans from EIB own resources. The protocols gave sectoral priority to rural development (46%). Other sectors of activity were, in order of importance: economic infrastructure (17%), the social sector (15.6%), the private sector (10%), vocational training (10%) and civil society (0.4%).
MEDA programme
The Meda programme (adopted in July 1996) is the EU's principal financial instrument for the implementation of the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership. The budgetary resources allocated under Meda were €3.4 billion for 1995–1999 and €5.4 billion for 2000-2006. Morocco has become the principal beneficiary of the Meda programme, with commitments totalling €1.472 million for 1995–2006, of which €660 million under Meda I (1995–1999) and €812 million under Meda II (2000–2006).[11]
I see nothing in that article that indicates they are being prepared for membership
No, they generally have excellent English language skills.
Not sure the point, the poles seem to have very good english.
I'm not saying they don't, but as Sweet Square said, that's not the problem.
By the way, I would appreciate when Brits go abroad, at least make an attempt to speak the language.
lol, why are you pointing this at me? I've lived abroad for a few years, and speak a foreign language.
Lol -I'm not pointing it at you , just saying but not many Brits try very hard when they go abroad
Read again....
Political cooperation
In 2006 EU commissioner for external relations, Benita Ferrero-Waldner declared that "we [EU] already have a very, very close relationship with Morocco, and we're studying giving them even more advanced status."[12]
In 2008, Morocco was the first country in the region to be granted advanced status, which makes it a pioneer in the European Neighbourhood Policy. The agreement constitutes a "roadmap" which widens the sphere of EU-Morocco bilateral relations by setting out new objectives in three main areas: closer political relations, with the holding of a periodic EU-Morocco summit and the establishment of consultation mechanisms at ministerial level; integration of the single market on the basis of gradual adoption of the Community acquis and sectoral cooperation; and a focus on the human dimension.
The first EU-Morocco summit was held March 7, 2010. It was the first in its kind between the EU and an Arab or African country.[13] Abbas El Fassi, Van Rompuy and Barroso presented to the press the results of the summit, commending the event which heralds a new era in the privileged and strategic partnership. The Granada summit between the European Union and Morocco has concluded with a positive assessment of the development of their relations and with the commitment to build on their political, economic and social aspect, as well as to begin a process of reflection on their future ‘contractual’ form. On bilateral partnership, the joint declaration sets concrete measures to consolidate achievements and an operational agenda for the future, as part of the advanced status which specifies the relation between Morocco and the EU. The summit also addressed the state of EU-Morocco relations and future developments, as well as other subjects of common interest such as the Legal status of Western Sahara, the situation in the Maghreb and the Sahel, and the Union for the Mediterranean.
European Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy Štefan Füle visited Morocco in January 2012. He said he was very pleased with the reform developments and the country is going in the right direction, but some improvements still need to be made and the Nation are currently working on it.
I can't believe I'm still hearing this bollocks. Turkey is not joining the EU.
I hope you're right.
Nor is Morocco, it's in Africa
None of the country you mentioned are going to join anytime soon, if ever. I would be against it but the next countries are among Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo and Bosnia.
Most tourists are absolute shite, but those that live abroad make the effort from what I've seen/heard.
How are the french in the UK, we are generally terrible with foreign languages and try to live together?
I was in Dublin with a work group last night with a very multicultural group, four of the french sat next to me and marginalised me. They annexed me from the group, I was quite pissed off about it.
Is 'passive aggressive' the right term these days?
A country can only join europe if every single country agrees for it to join. With changes to the eu budget being imminent i doubt that countries are in a mood to allow countries in
Also all 3 are at the frontier of the immigration wave, 2 of whom are muslim. Allowing turkey or morocco in will give fuel to le pen and co to be come more popular. Ukraine will be a declaration of war with russia something the eu wont want for obvious reasons.
There is no doubt that brexit will hurt the eu. But i repeat, can a country live without some sort of preferential deal with the very continemt its part of?
The younger ones make the effort more but in my experience, it's quite embarrassing. Countless times I've been told it makes a change for an "anglais" to be able to speak french. I know some people have lived here over 20 years and can barely get past "Bonjour" and "merci"
However you want to quibble about terminology the EU won't allow Greece and Italy to default, not in any real "We are never paying our debt back" type affair possibly barring some cataclysmic world financial crisis. That doesn't mean some of it won't get written off at some point. The bottom line is that your worst case scenario is incredibly unlikely to happen.
And ignoring your Thatcheresk economics for toddlers scenario, the UK had the best deal in the UK. Of course we were a slight net contributor and like other net contributors this is a very small price to pay for access to the free market and free movement of labor. EU migrants in the UK give us a net benefit of a couple of billion a year for starters.
And adding the rest of the Balkan states would be the next logical steps. Not letting in the problematic countries that you mention. And the EU is about stability and spreading and cementing liberal democracy for the whole region - again a very small price t pay. Access to the single market alone is worth far more.
Yeah, that's us.
French will never speak anything else than french if they are more than three.
Yeah, that's us.
French will never speak anything else than french if they are more than three.
what can I say, they hate their american masters
I am. I'd hate for Turkey to be a part of the EU.
Doubt any Muslim-majority country will ever be allowed in the EU, including Albania and Bosnia.