Sounds odd. Why?
That doesn't sound legal. And employment protection will significantly reduce after Brexit.
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Sounds odd. Why?
That doesn't sound legal. And employment protection will significantly reduce after Brexit.
Because when they complain a french politician tell them that it's Brussels fault despite the fact that a big part of them wouldn't exist without the EU.
Yes they did
This sounds familiar.
No they didn't. Barnier said that when the Uk trigger art.50 only four points will be discussed one of them will be the status of EU and Brits citizens, the UK can fix that problem now or after triggering art.50.
Guardian, couple of weeks ago, eu demands uk to guarantee eu citizens right to stay on uk.
Before, and i stress before, article 50 is triggered. How paul, how can they demand that?
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ite-tariff-free-single-market-access-bridgend
Yet another car manufacturer in the UK wanting guarantees of the single market
We all know the price.
Yet another car manufacturer in the UK wanting guarantees of the single market
We all know the price.
I haven't seen that but they can't, no, but no discussions can start until A50 is triggered
Here you almost have the opposite.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ories-in-row-over-rights-of-eu-citizens-in-uk
Well no cos its happening in holland too. If you care to watch the program it features people all over europe, not just tattooed grannies from essex that voted ukip
Wrong but ok
but they did cos thats how they work, when it suits us and all that. I reckon if the pound was worth 5.50 euros in 10 years time youd be ok with brexit.
Yes I remember that, it just boils down to A50.
No we tend not to see the things we dont want to
No, I think Brexit is a massive step backwards whatever the economies do. My biggest concern is the hatred and scapegoating which has been caused mainly because of mis-information , ignorance and bigotry together with the politicians without scruples(not only in the UK of course).
Send me the article
I've had a quick look about, and i can't find any article saying the EU wants guarantees for their citizens before A50 is triggered.
It'd seem a bit daft to me that they'd want guarantees for their citizens before we trigger A50, but are happy to leave the UK's citizens in limbo and refuse to discuss them until A50 is triggered.
Ah, you dont belive it
I don't remember seeing one but I don't look every day.
As I said above, how can the EU do anything until A50 is triggered.
Both Stan and I are UK citizens living in Europe, I've decided to take French citizenship to avoid any problems in the future, just in case. But I don't feel it is up to the EU to do anything yet until the UK officially says something.
I don't remember it but I don't look every day but I'd like to see it just the same, I believe you Stan
You've been banging on with your economic predictions for months, now it's other reasons that are the biggest concerns. You will now peddle that anyone that voted brexit is racist
Racism ranging from casual to rabid played a huge part in the vote even if not ever single person who voted to leave was a racist. Many who say that racism played no part then trot out typical, "Don't want foreigners controlling my country" before breaking in to a chorus of Land of Hope and Glory. Which is of course racist even if it isn't of the more overt vicious hatred sort.
You've been banging on with your economic predictions for months, now it's other reasons that are the biggest concerns. You will now peddle that anyone that voted brexit is racist
I still stand by my economic predictions which is not going to help the UK or even the EU, even if it is to a lesser extent. Not everyone is racist, but there is certainly a large xenophobic nature to Brexit. There is also the misinformation about how the EU controls the UK.
When the legal side of it was referred to the Uk courts, judges were labelled as traitors, when the sovereignty issue comes up, Brexiters don't want parliament , which is sovereign, to vote on A50, when the House of Lords vote, they are threatened with being expunged if they don't comply.
What exactly do Brexiters want?
If the Uk goes down the tube economically it is not going to affect me. If the Uk throw out all EU citizens and the EU reciprocates it's not going to affect me either.
Globalisation is here, as said Boris - Can you remember when the UK was so divided
Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.
Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.
I lived through the Thatcher years , but that doesn't compare imo with what is happening to the UK now.
I think it's on a par with the 80s, but the opposition is much more fractured.Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.
Maybe, but it's noticeable that on here the majority of the over-excited are posting from outside the UK, whereas my experience within is that whilst there's been a lot of discussion, nearly everyone I've heard speak seemed to see both sides of the argument, and I often heard the phrase 'on balance', from both Leavers and Remainers. That sure didn't happen with Thatcher, you either loved her or wanted her dead. Painfully.
Now how people might feel if the economy tanks and unemployment rages will be another matter of course, I'm commentating on how people have felt up to now, not what might happen in the future.
I take your last point, also I take the point about people's feeling towards Thatcher herself. However, I'm more referring to people's feeling towards each other, which you can witness on social media , in newspaper comments etc, this I never felt then , even though such social media didn't exist. I'm not totally disconnected from people in the UK either though.
Thatcher won the 1979 election, in 1983 she was re-elected with the biggest majority since 1945, again won in 1987 and Major won again in 1992 after Thatcher resigned in 1990. If people wanted a change they had plenty of opportunity to do so. The Brexit decision and the effects of it cannot be changed quite so easily afterwards
He minimum wage is £7 ish, it's the UK governments job to enforce that, not the EU.
Yes you are correct but fom has allowed people from all over to go where they like and be treated as slaves, its a race to the bottom and its not just happening in the uk but in all the wealthier european countries.
If the eu were a serious entity the might have done something about it instead of discussing prawn coctail crisps. So the remain camp are correct when they say no brit will do these jobs cos no brit should work for 2 quid an hour. If those interviewed on the prog last night had been black then everybody would be calling slavery.
Bottom line is, farming is not a viable business whether there are EU rules or not, it cannot survive in Western Europe without massive subsidies.
Unless of course people are willing to pay more for their food, £25 for a chop and £5 for a bottle of milk for example, that way the farmers can live happily and employ people at £10 per hour.
If the government enforce the minimum wage how are the farmers going to survive . How did farmers survive before the EU.
At the same time the Uk can increase tax by 20p in the pound and the Uk can have the best health service in the world and a fantastic road and rail system , infrastructure etc.
But as the government knows none of this will ever be acceptable they can easily lay the blame with the EU.
The UK doesn't allow the EU to enforce such things themselves yet it is the EU's fault that it isn't enforced? Not ony isn't this the EU's fault but you are going to see it get worse as the UK will reduce employment protections rather than increase them after Brexit.
Why are people still responding to StanleyRoad? He's a raving loon. He's changed his arguments a dozen times, has provided the sum total of feck all evidence for any of his outrageously unfounded claims, and articulates his awful arguments about as well as particularly incoherent three year-old.
If you want an actual rational, reasoned opinion from a Brexiter then listen to Nick.
If you want an actual rational, reasoned opinion from a Brexiter then listen to Nick.
It is called slavery regardless of the colour of a person's skin Stan, hence the title of the Modern Day Slavery Act passed by the UK government in 2015 as an attempt to combat this abuse. It's an issue globally and I'm pretty sure the estimate of 13,000 modern slaves in the UK does not include those employed on pitiful wages picking fruit or labouring on the UK's construction sites despite the intention of the act for it to do so especially when many of them have had their paperwork withheld or are being back charged ludicrous amounts for their journey to the UK or their pitiful accommodation.
The EU did not cause this however, capitalism did and it exists in every develloped or developing country on this planet with some 36 Million people globally being classified as slaves today. The answer to slavery back in the 19th century wasn't to deport all blacks and close the borders and that's not the right answer now either, it's to enforce the existing labour laws and workers protections and push businesses that exploit vulnerable people for profit out of business. Do you really think the tories and their friends in big business are more likely to enforce that once the shackles of EU regulation are removed or do you imagine they'll just demonise migrants a bit more and throw up a few xenophobic hurdles at the borders to placate the kippers whilst assuring their cronies that it's business as usual via strategically placed loopholes?
This is the thing that worries me, no doubt there will be no problems but not knowing where you stand is a pain in the backside, I had a letter a while back asking if I wanted to take German Citizenship which personally I dont unless I could keep both but what will happen after Brexit, do you have to choose which Nationality or can you continue to have both, plus its expensive 255€.
In France you can have dual nationality, my wife's French, she lived in the UK for over 30 years but never took British nationality ( as she didn't need to) and now I've lived nearly 10 years in France and until now didn't need to take French nationality.
Our kids have dual nationality as do our grandkids.
Every country has different rules though (despite what Brexiters say), I believe Spain and Holland don't allow dual nationality.
It's costing me €55 and I'm doing it just to be on the safe side although I was thinking of doing it anyway as I'm never going back. But I'm not having some Brexiter deciding my future for me.
I´m now at 27 years, 30 almost if you include my time in the army and probably wont go back to the UK either, Holidays are fine but to much has changed for the worse since I have been away. My kids, grandson all have German passes and what really annoyed me was that after being out of the UK for over 15 years I never even got a vote.
If I were you , assuming you can have dual nationality in Germany, would be to take the German citizenship and still keep the UK citizenship as well. You may never need it but who knows what lies in store in the current political climate.
What annoys me the most is people playing with other people's lives after being brainwashed into believing a pack of lies from politicians with only their self- interest at heart.
That is exactly my worry I will have no problems getting German nationality but personally I am British and quite happy with that and will only go for German nationality if really needed, Dual nationality as long as the UK is in the EU is possible but what happens after Brexit, will it still be possible to hold both or must one be given up.
Questions, questions and no bugger has the answer.
You should be able to keep both, the EU does not impose this law on either country , as I said the laws on this issue are particular to those countries, regardless of whether they are in or out of the EU.