Tbf there were blood-sucking billionaires on both sides of the debate.
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That's totally fair, I don't make any difference between both sides but Stan always does.
Equally there are plenty of partisan posters on both sides here, as we all know.
So you are basically admitting that the Brexiteers had absolutely no fecking clue to do in case they win the referendum and now need time to work it out. Brexiteer politicians show the level of a three year old: Making a big fuss against something but totally clueless what to do then. How delusional they are shows their 'Have cake and it eat' plan.
I love it how Davis is backpaddling even now, would have expected that he's publicly in denial for a much longer time.
The Brexit team was a bunch of people from all spectrums so they were hardly going to come up with a referendum were they? If they had done I'm sure many people (incl me) would've asked 'on what mandate?!'
Ps o noes - it's all falling apart: http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN13T003
Did you actually read the article? The message is literally "a couple of not so shit things (bad but not as bad as forecast anyway) amongst a generally shit trend"
No they are just idiots. For some reason you seem to think i like these people, almost as if they had some sway on my opinion.
That's why many are wondering why on earth you want to leave. You dont mend what's not broken
You have Arsene Wenger's voyeuristic tendencies re the U.K. and Brexit! Chill, we're doing our thing man, look out for our notice, till then sort out the rest of your amazing 'empire' that is so flourishing...
In before paul says 'you havent left yet'
Pffft... Don't distract him with facts.
I know what the article says.
Speaking of facts - how are all those IMF, CBI and whatever else predictions coming along...?
Honest question, does it not worry you that you are on the same side of the argument as these "idiots"?
I live in the uk, i voted in the referendum, and i pay my taxes there. I can easily relocate to my country and ill probably will irrespective of brexit . However its unfair to say that i am not involved in the matter. Im probably more involved then uk citizens who hasnt lived there for decades
Resorting to name calling, well done.
Not at all, my dislike of the eu was there long before the bus. There are plenty of tossers in the remain camp too.
Apologies - was friendly jesting (I hope he sees it that way too or I'm more than happy to delete)
Fair enough - so continually taunting the UK to 'get on with it and press the button' on leaving when you are so anti Brexit is baffling then.
Im taunting the brexiter politicians who promised heaven on earth once leaving the eu and who are now hesitating to bring this heaven on the uk. Not you.
If you ask me brexit was for most politicians a way to send cameron home. No wonder why they are so frightened of brexit. They know its a crazy thing to do
We'll see how close they are the truth when Brexit actually happens, won't we? Once the people who duped you into voting (the ones that didn't immediately resign, anyway) get over their dithering and find a way to implement the damn thing.
They have been wrong in their predictions for 2016 and the beginning of 20017, this is proven. But then all too many of these reports were rooted in politics rather than economics, as a leading Remain campaigner admitted on Question Time a fortnight ago.
Is that what was said?
I've been resisting hard not to say anything.
I wonder if they will ever leave, they just can't say goodbye, because if they leave they've got no home to go to
I think we lent Ireland money as part of their economic issues and they were in the Euro. Does that not count?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/nov/22/ireland-bailout-uk-lends-seven-billion
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Yea where are they?Where are the other Brexiteers FFS! heh
They're somewhere not worrying too much about the future
Probably because they tend to be ignorant idiots, excuse the generalization...
It's good that a few of you have chosen to brave it out and try and allay those fears by providing the unbiased facts etc... Erm... Well... No maybe not.
Well its better than being shit scared of the future that the present passes you by.
Austria rejected the far-right. Seems the result is not even close
Edit: Update : first polls : 53.6% to 46.4%
Edit: Update : first polls : 53.6% to 46.4%
Farage 1-0 down.
Austria rejected the far-right. Seems the result is not even close
Edit: Update : first polls : 53.6% to 46.4%
Fantastic news, horrible that it was that close to happening but hopefully an early omen of an improved 2017.
I was worried he would win. The founder of his party was a Nazi ffs.
Well played Austria
Sigh of relief in Austria.
Since that was entirely voluntarily (and probably very much in GB's self interest), not really. Those 7 billions weren't even part of thr Eurozone bailout package but a seperate loan.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
What points were you trying to make by suggesting the UK had not put money into helping any Eurozone country?
Someone tried to bring up the point that GB, due to the EU, had to pay money to Euro countries. Which is simply untrue. And a 7 billion loan to Ireland without any intervention or forced commitment by the EU doesn't change that. GB did that out of self interest, which is also the reason they didn't pay anything to Greece or Portugal. Not their neighbours. The very article you cited cites that fact as well. The Irish crisis is also a problem caused by Irish politics and had nothing to do with anything the EU did. So please tell me, what is your point exactly?
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Another blow for polls . They had the far right candidate in with a great chance of winning. And in the end he was soundly beaten.Meanwhile in Italy another PM resigns after a Referendum defeat .
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This point highlights the EU´s biggest flaw. Now, the Union certainly has other issues (slow moving because of it´s focus on a huge amount of democracy, overcomplicated in some parts) but it´s biggest problem is that it served as scapegoat for too many national governments for far too Long. It was far too easy for them to point towards Brussels to deflect blame and get away with their own failures. The EU on the other hand did a poor Job to clear up These accusations and explain what they actually do and that their whole structure is in no way different than the one of the member states (it was modeled after the example of a represantive democracy after all). This made it a far too easy target.
I lost count of the number of rants by other people, which ended in me asking "And what got the EU to do with it?".
I can completely understand why the British officials are wetting their pants right now and are terrified to pull the trigger. It will not only lead to an economical downturn, but also expose their past, present and probably future dealings as what they mostly are, as incompetent.
1. You are fairly obviously wrong about that as the UK is a net contributor of 8 billion pounds per year into the EU budget through which it explicitly does exactly what you claim here it doesn't.
2. As did Germany with Greece.
You can hold whatever opinion about the reasons but you were wrong about the facts. The UK gave billions in loans to Ireland, just admit you didn't know that. We are here to debate and inform ourselves, it is not the end of the world to say I didn't know that.
3. I have heard this terrible nation state, beautifull EU denial over and over again and it is a massive crock of shit. The EU is responsible for all the ills of the Euro common currency it created and sought to impose. What is the point of any form of government on whatever level if it will never accept responsibility for the outcome of any of its decisions? The budget problems of the individual member states relate directly to their inability to print their own money while running account deficits the EU knew all about before they joined the Euro but which now they pretend that the people they hired to find ways to circumvent due process hid from them.
It is not just Greece we now know it was systemic with other eastern Europe accession states because we wanted them in the EU at all costs.