Which one is silly? Do you think that the UK benefited by poorly educated Ukipers who diverted the money they earned to their Leave campaign? Does the working class benefited from years under Tory Rule?
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Which one is silly? Do you think that the UK benefited by poorly educated Ukipers who diverted the money they earned to their Leave campaign? Does the working class benefited from years under Tory Rule?
Brexiteers in a nutshell.
No, the bailouts were done by the Eurozone countries.
I wouldn't be surprised if it actually never happens.
We all have to deal with despots and dictators, you see.
We're working out how best to play our hand to suit us best for the next 20/50/100+ years - these things take time and need consensus building, it's called being in control of your own destiny...
The UK hasn't triggered article 50 for one simple reason, they are absolutely shitting their pants.
The EU states on the other hand just want the whole thing over and done with.
You can try putting your own "spin" on it but the above is the pure & simple truth. My guess, the UK is so fecking terrified it'll do everything in it's power for an EEA deal.
If you think so, please, leave. Just trigger article 50 and leave. No one is stopping you from doing that.
For someone who is so wrong, am astounded (but not completely surprised) by the arrogance.
Anyways back to school we go:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union
Reminder of who/when it should be done:
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th.../title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
We've got so much to learn from democracy especially since the third most voted party in the UK ended, with, erm, a seat in parliament.
Seriously you thought the EU will bow down to your demands and it didn't happen. Now you're scared shit of pushing the button as you know that you know Europe more then Europe wants you.
The idea that the UK was somehow a poor country in Europe before joining the EU in the 70's.
I think the poster in fairness was talking about the bailouts in the Eurozone rather than market access payments.
Amazing that you think the UK should have access to things all over Europe but not share the wealth with those countries
It wasn't a poor country but its much wealthier now then it was before.
It's like being married to a murderer and your friends saying 'just leave' - well I have to think about the kids ala it's not as simple as that and you know it.
Perhaps you'd rather the UK rush into, make a rash decision/negotiation and regret it rather than do it in a systematic and intelligent way thereby increasing likelihood of success for the nation; it's ok I get it.
The poster was responding to me, so I'm in control about what the topic was thank you very much! hehI think the poster in fairness was talking about the bailouts in the Eurozone rather than market access payments.
Amazing that you think the UK should have access to things all over Europe but not share the wealth with those countries
exactly
The EU can't wait to have all these clowns out. Will Europe struggle with the UK leaving? Sure it will. However we'll better off having an enemy as a competitor then an enemy within
Austria, France, Holland etc say hi!
Erm.. @Paz that's the thing though isn't it?
The negotiations will take 2 years and cannot start taking place until after that is triggered? Hardly "rash".
Err pre-work pre negotiating I mean. I can't believe people who cannot understand the concept of working out a strategy before heading out into the field is even a thing.
Against Jose Mourinho and coaching training sessions and teamtalks too are we?!
Hang on... this is the same government who are appealing a court ruling on discussing this "strategy" in parliament is it not?
As I say, they aren't waiting for that reason, the wait is because they are terrified. You'll see, it'll be an EEA deal the government push for in the end & the wait will all be about calming public opinion and re-educating the public before then.
The EU is likened to a murderer....funny coming from a nation whose proud of once leading one of the most violent empires ever
If I am married to a murderer I would pick the children and flee quickly. I will also make sure you to sever all links with the person. The ones whose hesitating is not the EU but the UK. They want you to leave quickly and they would kick you out if they can. Oh wait, I get the analogy of the murderer now. Its not the EU right?
I know you now want to get people to forget that, but we were talking about Euro and the money transferring/bailouts that happened because of it. And no, the UK didn't pay anything there. Anyways, point proven.
What?! Quote me mate and I'll apologise.
That would be a bad move -where would you live, what will you feed the kids, what about your joint bank account, what about the house and car?The EU is likened to a murderer....funny coming from a nation whose proud of once leading one of the most violent empires ever
If I am married to a murderer I would pick the children and flee quickly. I will also make sure you to sever all links with the person. The ones whose hesitating is not the EU but the UK. They want you to leave quickly and they would kick you out if they can. Oh wait, I get the analogy of the murderer now. Its not the EU right?
I feel like the world in your mind is very simplistic, if I may say so mate.
Oh I see. So all those silly gaffes like saying that one can conduct trade deals from individual EU countries and offering jumbo trade deals to countries who can't accept them were all part of a strategy? Same as all the talk about having control over the borders and not paying in the single market?
It makes sense. The ones being duped is the thick Bre-idiot.
Thanks for the enlightementPs this is tiring, I should get a medal for being the lone fighter against the tide!
Where are the other Brexiteers FFS! heh
Where are the other Brexiteers FFS! heh
But the UK is rich. Its a powerhouse and everyone would be desperate to get a deal with it right? Why beg for a deal with a murderer when you can just leave and be safe?
Cos it's my stuff, I am not saying the murder isn't powerful and influential, atleast to my kids.
It's complicated and would be odd to just run onto the pitch for a CL final without training and a teamtalk especially when it is our right to do so.
Ps this is tiring, I should get a medal for being the lone fighter against the tide!
Where are the other Brexiteers FFS! heh
Nah you're making the likes of Davis and Boris proud. Seriously, you brought a tear in my eye. I know understand what the likes of Guy Verhofstadt feel
Not really. The single market isn't yours remember? You left. 2 years after the UK had triggered Article 50 then you're out and you'll be free from all the red tape and the single market. Unless you're constant begging for an extension is heard of course.
Seriously mate, you couldn't even find a Brexiter with enough IQ to be a prime minister. Instead you're retorted to a remainer. Meanwhile Mr Brexit was spotted in Germany's embassy few days after Brexit
I'm trying to be objective mate (in my opinion).
Er that's not how the system works.
Anyways am trying to be light-hearted with you mate let's not make it more vicious than it needs to be!
Its very difficult to be. With more time passes, its becoming evident that the EU wants the UK out and the UK is becoming more hesitant, offering stuff they previously weren't ready to offer.
Right, until the next time...I'm out (pardon the pun!)
Im not being vicious, its the truth. I mean can you imagine UK being lead by gaffe maestros Davis and Boris? And they are the best of the bunch (Im avoiding mentioning the uneducated Farage or the backstabbing Gove)
Closer to the US and not liking Europe? IMO, not really. Of course we have the common language with the US but we are in most respects more like our immediate neighbours - the belief in the social safety net, the post-religious nature of our society etc. We certainly have a business only attitude to Europe but that is a product of history - the UK is not trying to tie down its Eastern neighbour who has beaten it up 3 times since 1870, nor is it seeking a return to normalcy after dictatorship or escaping Russian domination.
As for Russia, I don't see why we have to accept Russian nationalism and aggression, particularly as that country has nothing much to back up the bellicosity. As for the Baltics, yes there is a certain pettiness and discrimination towards Russian speakers but you do have to bear in mind the history - most of them were descendants of post-1940/45 immigrants who were moved in as hundreds of thousands of natives were shipped off to Siberian gulags.
As for the EU army, let's see. I personally think a lot of Europeans have lost touch with reality over the last 70 years and think you no longer need armies. It will certainly be a hard sell to voters to raise defence spending to anything like the level needed to replace the US NATO shield.
Whenever you see the epix of UK history you remember Churchill and Roosevelt, Thatcher and Reagan and most recently Blair and Bush or Farage and Trump. You don't remember Churchill and De Gaulle or Blair and Berlusconi that's for sure. The UK sees Europe as the USA sees the Europe ie the continent they came from, who brings trouble and might turn dangerous. There is an intrinsic spirit of lack of faith in Europe and its institutions which is fair enough. There again, Europe cant have the UK constantly undermining them and vetoing its plan
I agree with you with the latter and Putin/Terrorism served as a wakeup call. However centuries of history taught us that Russia can't and wont be defeated apart from the Russians themselves. Hence we might as well accept our neighbours and act as good neighbours hoping that they will do the same. Most of the time they will. If not, then the EU army will be there to act as deterrent. I come from a country who endured the mad dog for decades who was by far, worse than Putin ever was
The NHS and welfare state came to be in post war Briton, we had no money at the time so you should be supporting way more public spending now
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The big dictate to the weak, the UK alone is weak.
Remove 'Old' and that's a spot on line
As opposed to geniuses like Davis, Farage, Boris and May....right
It's hard to disagree with you but it's the same out of touch bureaucrats and a troop of blood sucking billionaires who fought for Brexit.