Cameron tried that, I think he failed
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Cameron tried that, I think he failed
Yeah but he didn't brand it as brexit...
It was criticised at the time, and would be again. The issue of migrant benefits is neither here nor there, a political red herring which only feeds into the resentment perpetuated by more extreme opinion.
Many national governments, and the European Union more broadly, have been happy to overlook the plight of tens of millions of people.
So you are not prepared to own that deception, and other exaggerations advanced by the financial reports Remain drew upon?
The public was told that the mere act of voting for Brexit would lead to those events occurring n short order.
Have you got any evidence for that accusation?
I thought it was fairly clear that the consquences they were warned about were those of Brexit, not the act of voting for it.
I'm not disagreeing with you. However I think the only way the brexiteers can keep their various promises is by redefining what those promises meant. They've loudly and proudly announced that they'll get the same deal concerning trade, just without the movement of people. They'll need a contortionists flexibility to achieve that, and probably will by bending one of their promises into an empty shell. (I'd bet that it is the immigration issue, if I were a gambler).
I see Google are going to create loads of jobs in London
That'll be an extra 30k in tax revenue over a decade then
That'll be an extra 30k in tax revenue over a decade then
In a post where you talk about red herrings, how is this not one? What element of Brexit is aimed at helping the plight of those tens of millions at all? In fact weren't those tens of millions used by the Brexit campaign as the threat of some looming invasion of the UK and the need to pull up the drawbridge?
Sure both sides exaggerated. It's a bit like some climate change warnings, they show you a picture of how the world could be under 50ft of water in 100 years, and people go 'FEARMONGERING!!'. And yes that's true, it might only be 40ft or it might take 120 years.
Why should you expect anyone to do what you refuse to do with Leave?
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...t-crash-house-price-fall-eu-referendum-brexit
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...at-brexit-would-cause-recession-a7061061.html
I can look for more sources later, when i have the time.
Or...that if you commit a certain act your home will be under water the morning after, only for nothing of this order to have occurred. We were not only talking about long-term predictions, and all too many of those were open to question.
Did i not state in the earlier post to Pogue that the 350m figure was inaccurate, misleading?
Be it Caroline Lucas, George Osborne or the IMF, Remainers on here are quite happy to downplay the nonsense advanced by their preferred side in the debate. I am not say that i have never attempted to do so myself, however the light in which Remain's untruths are interpreted is different i feel.
In short, i don't hold to this notion of the In campaign's wrongs being insignificant by comparison.
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Misleading? How about straight up lies?
Yeah he "estimated" that himself.Boris Johnson said:
The UK lost so constantly that it was allowed to do Euro clearing despite every Eurozone country being against it. And that is not even starting with the derogatory lie that "other members favour a highly regulated and protectionist economy".Jacob Rees-Mogg said:
This doesn't even make sense. Boris Johnson claims that governmental cooperation is essentially "doing the same thing Hitler did".Boris Johnson said:
But it was remain that was scaremongering...Nigel Farage said:
Ok Leave won the vote, the UK will leave the EU. That doesn't magically make lies into facts though.
More would be good but you could start with better. The first link is the head of the IMF paraphrasing a report from the head of the BoE. This report seems to be very much about the overall impact of Brexit, rather than this specific period. Ditto the stuff that Corbyn is talking about in the Independent piece.
Anyway, you're being remarkably intellectually dishonest to try and infer that predictions made by financial analysts about what might happen in the future are in any way comparable to the promises made by the Leave campaign (i.e. NHS funding stuff on the side of a bus). Predictions about the future will never be 100% accurate but, despite this, a lot of what they did predict has already come to pass. The enormous devaluation of sterling being the most obvious one.
There are two sides to the freedom of movement in Europe and only one side is ever discussed on this forum.
Lithuania are struggling now because of emigration, a factor that was probably never considered by the EU and is dismissed out of hand here. (I've brought this up before).
There is now an anti-emigration party in power in Lithuania.
This is where the EU failed (yet again) to anticipate repercussions of their policies (or lack of) and take action to pre-empt such problems throughout Europe. I suspect more countries will start struggling with this issue soon. Freedom of movement only really works when the economies of participating countries are similar. If they aren't similar then you end up depleting the poorer countries of essential knowledge and skills they need to build up their economy.
And the latest news for Brexiteers is: the UK is still in the EU and will be for some time to come - the next stage of the economic slowdown will be as described in numerous posts repeated ad nauseum and will depend on what type of Brexit it will be.
How many times does it have to be repeated before it sinks in.
How many times does it have to be repeated before it sinks in.
As soon as anything bad happens, it'll be the fault of "Remoaners not embracing Brexit when they had the chance".
Don't spoil the dream of EUtopia
Well the Germans blamed their worse than expected growth figures on Brexit, Paul hasn't told them the UK hasn't left yet tho
I'm beginning to doubt that GB will ever leave tbh 
I'm beginning to doubt that GB will ever leave tbh
Shhh, it's a secret
I'm beginning to doubt that GB will ever leave tbh
'You can check out any time you like - but you can't ever leave'
If they did, it's about time the UK got blamed for something, usually the UK blame everyone else for their incompetence.
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Can I confirm that this is the same poster who, despite being shown repeated examples to the contrary, insisted that Leave never said £350m would go to the NHS?
Leave never said £350m would go to the NHS....more that it would be better spent on the NHS. The only people who can decide how money is spent is the government. Surely people could work that one out for themselves!
Unbelievable that people still deny that.
My laptop just froze, damn Brexit
"Let us give"
They won, why aren't they "giving"?[/QUOTE]
Paul says we haven't left yet
You know darned well, all facts are denied by Brexiteers
So as soon as article 50 is invoked and we have a firm timeline on when we'll leave, we can expect to see the spending boost to the NHS in budget forecasts straight away?
Fantastic, I look forward to it.
Well they didn't even wait until you left before they broke that promise. Didn't Farage himself admit it was never going to happen the day after the result of the referendum?
Yes let's give it. Good idea. We all think so.
"Let us give"
They won, why aren't they "giving"?
As I'm sure you (along with everyone else) know Leave can't give it. Government's money....government have to give it. Basic common sense. (Not to mention we haven't left yet).
If only the Leave campaign had some sort of link to the government...
If only the Leave campaign were the government..
It's my favourite Brexiteer argument by far.So presumably Boris and Liam Fox (who also made a speech in front of that poster) will immediately resign when it doesn't come to fruition? Or at least people like yourself will be demanding that they do.
A day or two after the vote, Farage and others backtracked on the promise. They cold not have negotiated with the government (namely, mostly themselves) in those two days. So why did Leave and not the government backtrack?
So you're saying they were making spending commitments they knew they could never keep? Interesting.
It's called a lie.