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Is that your life motto or something? Seems to be your standard response.

Someone says something = Doesn't mean anything
Someone signs contract = Doesn't mean anything
Someone does something = Doesn't actually mean he meant to do that!?

It's a very convenient way to go about life, if you're self-sufficient and completely oblivious to the existence of other humans.

Oh go away

I'm 50 years old and this particular topic has been discussed for years at loads of summits so yeah, i believe when i see.

And yes, contracts are worthless so if you want to pigeon hole me go for it
 
There are two sides to the freedom of movement in Europe and only one side is ever discussed on this forum.

Lithuania are struggling now because of emigration, a factor that was probably never considered by the EU and is dismissed out of hand here. (I've brought this up before).

There is now an anti-emigration party in power in Lithuania.

This is where the EU failed (yet again) to anticipate repercussions of their policies (or lack of) and take action to pre-empt such problems throughout Europe. I suspect more countries will start struggling with this issue soon. Freedom of movement only really works when the economies of participating countries are similar. If they aren't similar then you end up depleting the poorer countries of essential knowledge and skills they need to build up their economy.

It'll turn around. The expats will send money home which will see Lithuania grow quicker than locking all the people in the nation, this will in turn mean there is less incentive to move abroad for work
 
Oh go away

I'm 50 years old and this particular topic has been discussed for years at loads of summits so yeah, i believe when i see.

And yes, contracts are worthless so if you want to pigeon hole me go for it
Contracts are worthless if the humans who sign them are so themselves. Other than that contracts are still the best way to formulate an agreement, and to hold the other side to that agreement.
 
There are two sides to the freedom of movement in Europe and only one side is ever discussed on this forum.

Lithuania are struggling now because of emigration, a factor that was probably never considered by the EU and is dismissed out of hand here. (I've brought this up before).

There is now an anti-emigration party in power in Lithuania.

This is where the EU failed (yet again) to anticipate repercussions of their policies (or lack of) and take action to pre-empt such problems throughout Europe. I suspect more countries will start struggling with this issue soon. Freedom of movement only really works when the economies of participating countries are similar. If they aren't similar then you end up depleting the poorer countries of essential knowledge and skills they need to build up their economy.

An Anti-emigration party - I think we call that communism right?

You know what Lithuania could do to help their own problems whilst also helping the rest of World don't you? instead of anti-emigration they should be looking at pro-immigration from outside the EU... so simple it's mind boggling that so many these days are looking inwards rather than outwards. I'm starting to believe that ISIS have won already.

And to be fair to the EU, lots of Lithuanians will be sending money home, and in the main, the EU is an attempt to balance out the economies of the member states, that's where that £350 million "NHS money" is going.
 
Well someone (I think it was Nick but I can't be sure), already pulled the 'making immigration fairer to non-EU citizens' card..
Quite a few on that side went with that line (though not when talking to people generally worried about immigration, of course). They rarely acknowledged that non-EU migration has long been higher than EU migration.
 
Misleading? How about straight up lies?

Unless there is no intention to restore presently paid monies to the Treasury (which, the principle at hand is still valid at heart.

When a leading Remain campaigner tells voters on national television that Brexit will leave them with no workers' rights and no parental leave, i consider it to be a more disgraceful deceit of the electorate. Presumably you were on board with such messaging?


More would be good but you could start with better. The first link is the head of the IMF paraphrasing a report from the head of the BoE. This report seems to be very much about the overall impact of Brexit, rather than this specific period. Ditto the stuff that Corbyn is talking about in the Independent piece.

Anyway, you're being remarkably intellectually dishonest to try and infer that predictions made by financial analysts about what might happen in the future are in any way comparable to the promises made by the Leave campaign (i.e. NHS funding stuff on the side of a bus). Predictions about the future will never be 100% accurate but, despite this, a lot of what they did predict has already come to pass. The enormous devaluation of sterling being the most obvious one.

Corbyn is responding to George Osborne, the then chancellor, who was responsible for repeated lies and deception throughout the campaign (from recession to emergency budgets).

As for the IMF, the Guardian's economic editor said that they had been left 'shamefaced' by events.

You appear to be working under the assumption that all of these economic predictions were made in good faith, a concept which i find rather quaint to say the least. Did you actually read any of the financial reports yourself might i ask?


Can I confirm that this is the same poster who, despite being shown repeated examples to the contrary, insisted that Leave never said £350m would go to the NHS?

Yes, i am the poster who linked to a Vote Leave policy framework aired on Sky News, in which the NHS commitment was lowered to £100m per week. They also had the 350m figure, which was wrong.


What's funny is Nick will say 'it wasn't about reducing immigration it was about control' and then in the next sentence talk about how remainers don't respect the electorate.

It is both, although the scale and pace of the reduction has to be gone about in a manner which is practical. Net EU immigration is approaching parity with that from the rest of the world; it is neither racist nor the new dawn of fascism to reduce that number significantly over a specified period. The results of a decline in European migration can be directed into three categories: replaced by British workers, replaced by non-EU, and increased flexibility when responding to humanitarian crises.

Brexit is a generational move, much like our earlier entry into the European Union itself. We are talking about the future policies of eight governments, and not merely those in power today.
 
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An Anti-emigration party - I think we call that communism right?

You know what Lithuania could do to help their own problems whilst also helping the rest of World don't you? instead of anti-emigration they should be looking at pro-immigration from outside the EU... so simple it's mind boggling that so many these days are looking inwards rather than outwards. I'm starting to believe that ISIS have won already.

And to be fair to the EU, lots of Lithuanians will be sending money home, and in the main, the EU is an attempt to balance out the economies of the member states, that's where that £350 million "NHS money" is going.

Remember that these Baltic States have been independent for just over 20 years after long periods of Russian dominance and feel their position is very precarious with a huge ultra-nationalist neighbour nextdoor with a convenient Russian minorities pretext for intervention. Their cultural identities have similarly been subsumed behind Russian, German or (for Lithuania) Polish influence. To expect them to shrug their shoulders at a huge outflow of their brightest and best and compensate by opening the gates to unskilled Islamic labour from the Middle East and North Africa is a little bit unrealistic.
 
Funny, the government have yet to give public any insight in to their plans for a U.K. post Brexit, yet @Nick 0208 Ldn seems already know how things are going to work out for the U.K. post Brexit. Amazing!
 
Funny, the government have yet to give public any insight in to their plans for a U.K. post Brexit, yet @Nick 0208 Ldn seems already know how things are going to work out for the U.K. post Brexit. Amazing!

Are you referring to my remarks on immigration policy? They are my beliefs on the matter, and what i see as realistic in a strong/hard Brexit. Such considerations will be part of my voting choices in the years ahead.
 
Heard some blokes I was behind talking about Brexit, still believe that 350mill is going to the NHS -.-
 
Are you referring to my remarks on immigration policy? They are my beliefs on the matter, and what i see as realistic in a strong/hard Brexit. Such considerations will be part of my voting choices in the years ahead.

I know you don't seem to care much for foreigners just like too many people who voted for Brexit. And, yes, I think you're xenophobic and intolerant. I think there is a far too large part of British, Dutch and US society who are xenophobic and intolerant from all sides and religions.

I'm very concerned at what the future holds. It wasn't so long ago when the World suffered the consequences of what happens when xenophobia, intolerance and nationalism are allowed to rear their ugly heads. God help our children.
 
Still waiting for the eu refom plans

"We need to start listening to the people"

OK when?

The EU reform plans are a joke. It's about time that the EU, and society in general, remember why the EU was started in the first place. The EU should do more to combat xenophobia and intolerance!
 
I know you don't seem to care much for foreigners just like too many people who voted for Brexit. And, yes, I think you're xenophobic and intolerant. I think there is a far too large part of British, Dutch and US society who are xenophobic and intolerant from all sides and religions.

I'm very concerned at what the future holds. It wasn't so long ago when the World suffered the consequences of what happens when xenophobia, intolerance and nationalism are allowed to rear their ugly heads. God help our children.

Baseless and prejudice driven slurs, tsk tsk. And you're a Remainer too. :smirk:
 
Baseless and prejudice driven slurs, tsk tsk. And you're a Remainer too. :smirk:

Nobody's perfect, everybody is prejudiced for time to time. It is human nature to be frightened and/or wary of people who are different because of their culture, religion, skin color, etc. We are social animals and we all feel the need to belong.
This does not make predjudism right however. It is important to remember that predjudism is a dangerous irrational emotion and what the dangers are if we let ourselves lead by such emotions. That's why I think people voted for Brexit for all the wrong reasons.
Again I emphasize the dangers when xenophobia and intolerance become acceptable in society.
 
Unless there is no intention to restore presently paid monies to the Treasury (which, the principle at hand is still valid at heart.

When a leading Remain campaigner tells voters on national television that Brexit will leave them with no workers' rights and no parental leave, i consider it to be a more disgraceful deceit of the electorate. Presumably you were on board with such messaging?

Did you see what Damien Green said this morning with regards to the gig economy? He's excited at the prospect of people loosing holiday and sick pay and steady work. These tories won't do anything to protect those rights
 
I know you don't seem to care much for foreigners just like too many people who voted for Brexit. And, yes, I think you're xenophobic and intolerant. I think there is a far too large part of British, Dutch and US society who are xenophobic and intolerant from all sides and religions.

I'm very concerned at what the future holds. It wasn't so long ago when the World suffered the consequences of what happens when xenophobia, intolerance and nationalism are allowed to rear their ugly heads. God help our children.
on current voting patterns you can add Poland and Austria to that list. Also in France and even Germany anti immigration parties gaining a lot of support....

The EU reform plans are a joke. It's about time that the EU, and society in general, remember why the EU was started in the first place. The EU should do more to combat xenophobia and intolerance!

how would you do this?
 
Nobody's perfect, everybody is prejudiced for time to time. It is human nature to be frightened and/or wary of people who are different because of their culture, religion, skin color, etc. We are social animals and we all feel the need to belong.
This does not make predjudism right however. It is important to remember that predjudism is a dangerous irrational emotion and what the dangers are if we let ourselves lead by such emotions. That's why I think people voted for Brexit for all the wrong reasons.
Again I emphasize the dangers when xenophobia and intolerance become acceptable in society.

You are assuming people voted against on one topic
 
Nobody's perfect, everybody is prejudiced for time to time. It is human nature to be frightened and/or wary of people who are different because of their culture, religion, skin color, etc. We are social animals and we all feel the need to belong.
This does not make predjudism right however. It is important to remember that predjudism is a dangerous irrational emotion and what the dangers are if we let ourselves lead by such emotions. That's why I think people voted for Brexit for all the wrong reasons.
Again I emphasize the dangers when xenophobia and intolerance become acceptable in society.

That was you by the way, the one making the judgements motivated by prejudice (of myself and a political group in this instance).
 
That was you by the way, the one making the judgements motivated by prejudice (of a political group in this instance).

I've read plenty of your posts over the summer and based on what you've written I can only conclude that I think you're a chauvinist and that you don't like foreigners. Sorry, but that's what I think based upon the many posts I've read off you. I understand why you and many millions more in the U.K. might feel that way. But, I don't think it's right. It's sad that so many people feel this way.
 
I've read plenty of your posts over the summer and based on what you've written I can only conclude that I think you're a chauvinist and that you don't like foreigners. Sorry, but that's what I think based upon the many posts I've read off you. I understand why you and many millions more in the U.K. might feel that way. But, I don't think it's right. It's sad that so many people feel this way.

I dont think anyone in thread dislikes foreigners.
 
Yes but he's an influential eu pm that was against junk being appointed until a visit to merkel made him see the light

That's how politics work. Now Rutte and the VVD will once again trying to win back Wilder's voters in the lead up to the election. They're like cameleons these politicians.
 
That's how politics work. Now Rutte and the VVD will once again trying to win back Wilder's voters in the lead up to the election. They're like cameleons these politicians.

Typically heard from dutch people pulling up to a bad driver.

"Yeah i thought so, a towel head"

Even my GF says this, its not a one off and i have never heard this in the UK
 
I think Rutte is an absolute tw@t! The only ones I think are half decent at the moment are the leaders of the D66 and the SP.

We're proper fecked, I can 100% guarantee you those two clowns are actually worse than Rutte, and not just a little bit. Pechtold is a sociopath (I once fell into that trap, so I can see where you're coming from) and Roemer is a parody on a politician, should've remained a primary school teacher. He's a nice guy, but what he wants is impossible, and the world seriously needs a properly skilled politician - can you imagine him stepping up to Trump?

The only half decent politician and human being at the moment is Ahmed Aboutaleb, but I'd rather move to Sudan than vote for his party, and it's still unclear whether he remains mayor of Rotterdam, since he just started his second term and some other wankers are fighing for the top spot at PvdA. If they made Aboutaleb their #1, they would actually have a very serious chance of smashing Wilders, nearly all experts agree on this, but at PvdA they won't do this, basically because some other impopular but influential guys are too power hungry, which says everything about them.

So I figured I'd vote for the Pirates, just like last time, but their new #1 is now some blonde ex kink model, heard a interview on the radio with her that made me puke. So like I said, we're proper fecked, just like pretty much half of the world.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Aboutaleb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Aboutaleb
Seriously, if he'd become electable I might just do it regardless of my feelings towards his party.
 
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Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.
 
Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.

He's Trumpesque then? Or was Trump Borisesque? At any rate, it's worrying how so many politicians these days can get away with simply shouting and posturing about issues rather than actually trying to sensibly discuss or solve them.
 
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Did the Italian economy minister really just say that he felt insulted by the low intellectual level of the talks with Boris Johnson? Oh my :lol:
Seriously, he should just resign. Bad start, clearly out of his depth.

I just read it and I don't like this type of comment to the press, lets stay classy.

Now, we need to put a myth down. The EC has been created/signed by the Maastricht treaty in 1993 and freedom of movement by the Schengen agreement in 1985(it started 1995), as a part of the EC the Schengen agreement is among the pillars of the EU.
 



I've read plenty of your posts over the summer and based on what you've written I can only conclude that I think you're a chauvinist and that you don't like foreigners. Sorry, but that's what I think based upon the many posts I've read off you. I understand why you and many millions more in the U.K. might feel that way. But, I don't think it's right. It's sad that so many people feel this way.

If you are going to stand by such a ludicrous position, even with the benefit of time to think it over, i can but conclude that you hold more prejudice toward me, than i to any foreigner. Whilst the irony is of some wry amusement, i also feel sorry for you.
 
Here's an MP asking for an ELI5 version months after the vote:

“For the purposes of this question, I am not worried about transitional arrangements, I am prepared to take the economic hit or to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the single market and being outside the customs union. I simply want the divorce on the quickest possible terms. What do I need in that quickie divorce?”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...inisters-boris-johnson-prosecco-claim-brexit?