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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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That's the thing, I see no alleviating going on and no indication of anything in the near horizon.

Little of which has anything to do with a Brexit settlement yet to be negotiated.


@Nick 0208 Ldn

What do you make of the content of May’s leaked speeches? Are you in favor of giving some industries special subsidies/privileges when they stay (e.g. Nissan)?

If by leaked speeches you are referring to May's discussions with Goldman Sachs, no that didn't come as a surprise to me. I can't say that i agree with it all , however the remarks on security and policing echoed her years as Home Secretary.

I have no problem at all with state subsidies and attractive taxation arrangements in the short to medium term. Indeed, nor do i see why ministers should be embarrassed at the prospect. If we're going to make the best go of Brexit possible, the Government will have to counteract what uncertainty/costs there might be with other tools. Vehicle manufacture in the North East is both a success story and an impressive symbol, as well as supporting a significant portion of the local economy; in effect it will be an investment in the future.


The Mail, The Sun, UKIP and the right wing of the Tory party. The same hateful voices that led the Brexit campaign and imbued it with the sort of vile xenophobic tones that now seem to be acceptable in public. Lucky you if you've not heard it Nick although I'd suggest you're possibly choosing not to listen to anything that might make your hazy little post Brexit bubble seem less pleasant.

Maybe i just associated with less abusive company. ;) I do find it remarkable that someone of your age and experience would continue to look at the world through such a polarised viewpoint, be it right/left or Remain/Leave. The idea that hate is the province of either in this country, simply doesn't seem to tally with the evidence.

I am also the sort who would make their displeasure known, if someone close to me was being verbally/physically assaulted. The chances are that i would recall such.


We're perfectly capable of discussing immigration in the UK, the problem lies in the fact that one side of the argument depend on lies and distortion of the true immigration figures in order to spread their fear and hatred
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There is no reasoned argument against our present levels of immigration other than racism,

Yes, that has been known to happen.


All signs point to us having to continue paying into the EU for a considerable time to clear our debts and possibly continue paying ad infinitum for access to the EU markets so this windfall trumpeted by Brexit looks like it will never happen. Promising to pay it to the NHS and even going as far as plastering that promise on the side of a bus was a mistake that even Farage admitted, the fact was always that the NHS was already fecked and this government were never going to do enough to fix it with or without the mythical £350M a week.

Whilst much of what you state here is conjecture at this point, the continued upward movement of our budgetary contributions is not (the potential return is not fixed at the current level). I am confident that thee will a significant saving, even if we do elect to maintain a lesser number of existing cooperative arrangements
 
Maybe i just associated with less abusive company. ;) I do find it remarkable that someone of your age and experience would continue to look at the world through such a polarised viewpoint, be it right/left or Remain/Leave. The idea that hate is the province of either in this country, simply doesn't seem to tally with the evidence.

I am also the sort who would make their displeasure known, if someone close to me was being verbally/physically assaulted. The chances are that i would recall such.

I find it hard to believe that anyone, regardless of age and experience can't see the bile poured out by the Mail, Sun, UKIP et al as anything other than hatred. When talking about racism it's always a polarised issue, there's no such thing as an acceptable amount despite what your political mouthpieces might believe.

I repeat, you're lucky, walk around with eyes and ears closed or don't go out much if you've yet to see the rise in xenophobia in Britain.

Yes, that has been known to happen.

Care to argue the toss over immigration with some real facts then or just happy with glib comments. Immigrants to the UK are net contributors who help keep our system afloat, we are not full and where services are stretched thin that is due to underfunding and not the presence of immigrants within that system.


Whilst much of what you state here is conjecture at this point, the continued upward movement of our budgetary contributions is not (the potential return is not fixed at the current level). I am confident that thee will a significant saving, even if we do elect to maintain a lesser number of existing cooperative arrangements
The ECB have stated we will have to continue paying down our debts to the EU regardless of membership and the estimates are in the order of £350M per week for at least the next five years. The £350M quoted by Brexit failed to factor in the rebate to our contributions so was always a lie. Businesses and individuals are already relocating and our economy is at it's lowest level ever. Where is the conjecture here Nick?

Where is the cause for your confidence? Particularly if, as you admit we are likely to have fewer cooperative agreements.

All I see is mounting evidence that suggests the downside to Brexit suggested by the remain side and independent experts look to have been well founded.

As for our growing budgetary contributions, care to demonstrate that with some hard facts?

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The trend was a rise during the economic crisis but that looks a lot like a fairly steep decline in net contributions for the last 3 years to me rather than the continuing upward movement you cite.

Admit it, you've fecked over the country for a petty protest vote and haven't got a fecking clue where we go from here other than down but would rather go down professing your satisfaction with the vote than admit your error.
 
@Bury Red

Out of interest and I know there is not one seriously being considered for the UK but what is racist about advocating for a points based immigration system?
Why would you advocate for a system that has been proven to cost more and have no affect on the number or quality of immigrants arriving in the country? It's an unnecessary level of bureaucracy implemented as a sop to those who would rather we stopped immigration.

There's nothing inherently racist in such systems although many of the advocates tend to imagine it will allow the country to pick and choose the right sort of immigrants when all it will really do is highlight the holes in your labour market and training. I've lived as a high qualified immigrant in countries with points based systems and the resentment and open racism it tends to cause to the low skilled labour who end up coming in to fill the jobs the local labour-force will not is disgusting and in trying to control the national mood by implementing quotas the government often unwittingly damage other industries who also rely on migrant labour.
 
Good effin' grief...

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Reading this thread and thinking about the problems in France and the UK, I can't help but think that almost all the problems come from the educating systems and the orientation.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2016/oct/28/the-man-who-brought-you-brexit-podcast
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2016/oct/28/the-man-who-brought-you-brexit-podcast
Interesting analysis about some of the people behind brexit; especially about Daniel Hannan. I listen to one of his speeches at a conference in Swiss. Interesting character. He is very intelligent, but quite delusional and committed to a fairly specific brand of ideology. In a way he might be the source of the "Brexit is great for the British economy" idea.
 
Good effin' grief...

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I remember the first police reports coming out after the Brazilian guy was shot. Acting suspicious, wearing an overcoat in summer etc. In fact he was wearing normal clothes for summer, a T-shirt or something. Absolutely disgraceful behaviuor by the Met
 
I remember the first police reports coming out after the Brazilian guy was shot. Acting suspicious, wearing an overcoat in summer etc. In fact he was wearing normal clothes for summer, a T-shirt or something. Absolutely disgraceful behaviuor by the Met
He jumped the ticket barrier, he was challenged by police and refused to cooperate, he was wearing a belt with wires coming out of it... All flat out lies told by the Police and still repeated, by morons, over a decade later. Don't worry though, Amber Rudd insists that policing has changed enough that we don't need to check if they lied between Hillsborough and that execution....and Ian Tomlinson's death at the G20 protests... Nothing to see here.
 
Government loses Article 50 court fight

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785

There will be riots if they vote against it, sadly.

Nightmare for May though, if parliament vote against it (or even if they vote for it by a small margin) and she still wants to push through with it, our negotiating hand is severely weakened.

The whole thing is a complete and total disaster. It should never have got this far.

Despite what people argue, the whole thing is about "Do you like foreign people living in your country?".

I do, so feck Brexit.
 
Very bad news from the court this morning. Without this being overturned, 17m people stand a very real chance of being screwed over by the Commons.


But, but... sovereignty!!!

Yeah, i know, it was real inconvenient for prejudiced Remainers when that particular concern can top in the actual analysis.
 
Farage is getting worried now.Believes this is the Government softening up the public for a half Brexit
 
Very bad news from the court this morning. Without this being overturned, 17m people stand a very real chance of being screwed over by the Commons.
Parliament is sovereign, always has been. That said, I don't see MPs voting down Brexit, but I imagine the remainders will try to get some assurances around the type of deal the government is aiming for.
 
Very bad news from the court this morning. Without this being overturned, 17m people stand a very real chance of being screwed over by the Commons.




Yeah, i know, it was real inconvenient for prejudiced Remainers when that particular concern can top in the actual analysis.

Out of interest, how is this bad news? It's looked this way for months, if it's unconstitutional then it's unconstitutional and end of story. To advocate the opposite is you saying that you want to go against the way our country works just so that you can get your own way.
 
There will be riots if they vote against it, sadly.

Nightmare for May though, if parliament vote against it (or even if they vote for it by a small margin) and she still wants to push through with it, our negotiating hand is severely weakened.

The whole thing is a complete and total disaster. It should never have got this far.

Despite what people argue, the whole thing is about "Do you like foreign people living in your country?".

I do, so feck Brexit.

As I understand it the vote is about the terms of exit not whether we exit or not.
 
So . . .

Through his own ineptness and failure to control his party Cameron has set the country on the path to turbulent economic times as well as potentially reducing the power of the Royal Prerogative.

The biggest troll of all time?
 
Parliament is sovereign, always has been. That said, I don't see MPs voting down Brexit, but I imagine the remainders will try to get some assurances around the type of deal the government is aiming for.
Trying to get assurances is prudent whether you're a Brexiteer or Remoaner? It's win-win really, unless you're a leave whatever the outcome I don't care Brexiteer, in which you probably are a bigot anyway.
 
I find it slightly hilarious that considering how much effort Nick and his ilk have spent in here and elsewhere arguing that this is all about parliamentary sovereignty they're now incredulous that the very body they want to hand ultimate power to gets to have a say in the matter.
 
Parliament is sovereign, always has been. That said, I don't see MPs voting down Brexit, but I imagine the remainders will try to get some assurances around the type of deal the government is aiming for.

This sovereign parliament is dominated by Remainer MPs who haven't given a damn about the views of their constituents for years. I have no doubt, none whatsoever, they they will seek to harm our negotiating position and dilute Brexit. Every piece of delaying they enact will only worsen the uncertainty which exists. I don't even want to think about my Hargreaves Lansdown account at this moment. :(

I was unsure about the wisdom of general election before, but this ruling has prompted me to reconsider such.