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Yep - know how you feel.
Im referring to the majority of countries not of people. If you truly respect the countries within the Union then you cant simply bully countries out to take decisions against their will simply because they happen to be less populated then others. Also its ridiculous that British expats weren't given a say on the matter as they will probably be the most affected by Brexit
Yeah but we don't even speak the same language as our 'brothers and sisters' across the Channel!
If there was a properly open clear plan saying we want to create a United States of Europe which will include xyz, then even that is fair enough for people to gauge and decide. But even the manner how the trading-union has somehow morphed into social-cohesion, talk of increasing militiary ties etc just has me (and clearly the majority of the UK population) disillusioned.
CETA and TTIP are trade deals, it might be beneficial to sign them it might not be. I don't know which is true but I do know having a government which thinks its a good idea and then making a governance system so intricate that six years of negotiation and god know how much money to bring forward a deal which no one is allowed to sign, can't be good way of doing things.
Meanwhile outside of Gormenghast the rest of the world moves on.
Language means very little. We're a spit of land in the sea and we can speak three languages. India has 23 official languages. China has 297 recognised languages
Concerning the identity, in France the regional identity is stronger than the national identity and I have more in common with a 20 something spanish than a 50 something french.
you do realise we voted for Brexit as a nation right?!
#ButtHurt
First, I was joking and secondly it was about everyone giving his age. It has nothing to do with Brexit.
Id wish to be able to vote to the Scottish lassie. She's got more brains than the commie hippie, the fake Thatcher and the 3 Brexit idiots put together/
Precisely, the EU is renowned for taking too long to make agreements.
The trouble is that only half the people don't want it. Which means half of us are really, really unhappy right now and looking for ways to maintain connect to the people we actually feel an affinity with. So how do we solve this conundrum?
The only way I can see is to persuade the EU to allow British citizens to apply for an EU passport if they choose, but the only way that works is if there's a fee involved equivilent to a persons current contribution (which screws the poorest) and that we get some form of representation in the European parliament. Which means it probably can't happen, and I'm going to have to wait 3 years and get a French passport instead as long as they haven't kicked me out by then in some tit for tat fight with Theresa May.
Yeah she has, she wanted freedom with no exit plan. Sound familiar?
Less than half
How is this different to, say a general election where there are always winners and losers?
Btw we aren't out of the EU yet, if people feel THAT strongly European over being British, err maybe just move out to a European country instead of selfishly dragging the majority into a direction they don't want to go in? (17m Brexit vs 16m against).
Classy! Armchair critics annoy me....!
Fair - apologies.
Someone brought up age as some sort of metric (as usual an opinion mentioned as a fact) hence I responded.
So what? Better a slow deal than a shit deal. The UK will sign anything in the coming years because we will be weak and desperate
Cool opinion bro!
Canada would want more from a solo deal with the UK than it can get when bargaining with the EU
Of course they should.
One of the core-competences of the EU was to negotiate trade deals without national interference. It was one of the few competences that was entirely transferred to a supra-national level. Every country in the EU agreed to this concept. Nobody agreed to the same, when voting about a Brexit deal. Now, there is a valid argument, that this transfer of sovereignty doesn’t cover these new trade deals that are much more comprehensive. If you share this view, than every state has a legitimate veto again.
Giving equal weight to voters in England,Scotland,Northern Ireland and Wales in the referendum is really the only reasonable way to show respect to all parts of the UK.
If you say, and Alex Salmond did say, that Scotland should have a veto right on leaving then you are effectively saying the wishes of Scottish voters are ten times as important as the wishes of English voters. Not very democratic if you ask me.
1 England 53,012,456
2 Scotland 5,295,000
3 Wales 3,063,456
4 Northern Ireland 1,810,863
United Kingdom 63,181,775
7 years of wasted time and money, trying to satisfy 28 members, there's your problem right there.
One of the concepts of tariffs is to stop cheap imports flooding the market, the people of Wallonia are worried that cheap meats from Canada will put them out of business, are we so cold that we should ignore them? Will you sacrifice your livelihood for the good of the UK?
Correct. Only about 37% voted to leave.
and how many to 'remain'?
Right, ok
It's different because this vote just took away a major right from me and other Remain voters, and in four years we don't just get to vote to get that right back. Even if 90% of British people voted to rejoin the EU in 5 years, there is absolutely no guarantee that Europe would allow us back in, and many reasons why they wouldn't have any interest in opening themselves up to all the headaches we cause.
Incidentally I already (like about a million and a half other British citizens) ALREADY live in another European country. But I can't claim French citizenship for at least another 3 years, so if the Tories screw up the exit I could lose my job and be kicked out of my home. So thanks for that.
Your argument seems to be both for the deal (whys the EU taking so long) and against so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make
Would I sacrifice my livelihood for the good of the UK? If it helps raise everyone up than yes
I've lost my job about 5 times over the years in Holland, shit happens
That's very honourable, you'd be the most respected homeless person in the UK.
My point in the quoted post still stands.
I have sympathy with you, but other people have other issues (and perhaps the EU is the cause of theirs).
Simply impossible to pander to everyone's selfish needs.
I don't know if they would or wouldn't, I don't think you know one way or the other either.
You just said you lost your job 5 times. Retrain and take advantage of the new opportunities on offer because everyone is better off
If you lost 5 jobs in Holland, then that would suggest losing your job didn't also mean you had to relocate to a completely different country. Did you even lose your home when you lost these jobs?
If I lose a job because of the company failing or something then that's something I can deal with. If I lose a job I love because some fecking idiots in my birth country decide they want to crash their economy and feck me over in the process for no particular reason, then that's a very different story. Especially if I'm not then allowed to even find a new job in the same country.
Britain in 5-10 years time could easily be minus Scotland and possibly Northern Ireland, with a collapsed economy, radically lower worker pay and rights, a semi-privatized and dysfunctional NHS and with a country divided completely in two, hating each other for their vote this past June. I hope it was worth it, because me and a lot of other people will never, ever forget or forgive this if it all goes south.
Canada is very small compared to the EU, its only a little smaller than the UK. They might be willing to sacrifice a lot to get access to the big market thats the EU, they'll probably be less inclined to do it for the UK
err once again you seem to have your 'me' hat on rather than the 'we' hat on.
selfishly I would love to stay in, get a strong Canadian/£ rate, who cares what happens to the UK (as I'm moving to Canada anyway)
But objectively I genuinely believe the EU is going in the wrong direction and worse, it is forcing nations to follow that path.
Let's try and be objective about this rather than have a 10-15 year outlook for our own selfish little lives (+ with so much anger and revenge talk it's almost scary!)
Lol
They were due to restructures, moving IT to india and such
But your point is valid for the guy in france maybe
Oh the 'we' hat? The one where you just handed complete political control of the country to a bunch of hard right conservatives, most of whom are millionaires and several of whom have openly admitted in the past to wanting to privatize the NHS? Oh and if Scotland leave (which you've just make much more likely) you've basically just guaranteed a Tory majority for the foreseeable future.
Anger and revenge talk? Oh you have seen absolutely nothing yet. This wasn't a game or a philosophical exercise to many of us, it was about the futures of ourselves, our families and our friends. Mess with that, and you open a very, very scary can of worms.
Or perhaps they believe the EU is the cause of their issues because the Mail lies, because the Sun lies, because Boris Johnson made a 20 year career lying about the EU for fun before becoming a joke of a politician. In keeping the working man poor and unhappy UK governments have never shied away from blaming others for their ills, it was the blacks, the Indians and the Irish before we joined the EU, now it's the Romanians, Poles & Hungarians and next it will be the Turks and the Syrians. Our government and big business are happy to have migrants coming in providing cheap labour in illegal conditions and have never given a flying feck for those who genuinely find themselves displaced and struggling to make ends meet as a result. They're equally happy to allow those big companies to dodge paying their tax dues whilst demonising those at the bottom rung of the ladder for scrounging and as a nation a majority/vocal minority somehow sides with this bullshit.
That a majority of my fellow Britains buy into these lies time and time again and let the politicians and the press get away with peddling them sickens me. How can we spend so much on educating our nation and still have so many idiots?