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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Petrol bomb attack I'm assuming?
The context is important here. More than half of leave voters think that it was wrong to allow 14 children, who already have family here, to enter the country.
In 2015 284,000 non-EU citizens entered the country. Immigration of this nature has always been completely under our control. 14 children amounts to a 0.000005% increase in this number.
And the dental checks is a great example of post-truth politics. An ineffective, inaccurate test that most Britons think should have been performed, no doubt encouraged by comments like those of Jack Straw.
In the last 11 months a part of the country has been in emergency state which means that most policemen haven't had holidays or weekly day off, then the police has been used as a shield by the government instead of actually discussing with unions, then they increased their hours even more during the Euro, now in the last weeks the police has been attacked and the politicians didn't care but when hundreds of policemen organized a walk in Paris, the politicians decided to sanction them.
Those 14......they were definitely all children were they?
Well, even for me it was clear as mud that there was no plan at all how to leave the EU. Given how May and others talk to date, there still seem to be no clear plan....
BTW, have the UK made progress in hiring those trade specialists which BBC had so often reported the UK lack of? About 50 are in the UK but it was estimated that about 200 will be required to prepare and do the negotiations.
One out of many myths about the EU and Germany.
Regarding - for now failed - CETA, our government isn't happy but many Germans are: The majority of Germans neither like CETA nor TTIP.Personally, I couldn't care less how old those children are - or if they're adults. They have family here, they need our help.
Well, even for me it was clear as mud that there was no plan at all how to leave the EU. Given how May and others talk to date, there still seem to be no clear plan....
BTW, have the UK made progress in hiring those trade specialists which BBC had so often reported the UK lack of? About 50 are in the UK but it was estimated that about 200 will be required to prepare and do the negotiations.
One out of many myths about the EU and Germany.
There never was a plan and there still isn't . May has little idea how the EU will react to any UK plan other than the Uk will not be given any special favours. For the trade specialists , they may decide to clone Boris.
This would be interesting as he may flip between an almost "no-Brexit" (unpublished opinion piece) and "hard Brexit" position (official face).On a more serious note, it'll be interesting what the details of May's "neither the Norway nor the Swiss way" plan will be once it unfolds.
Yeah pretty fecked up I agree. But there's a good reason that the public in France hate the police. Somehow the politicians are just even worse atm!
Well, the public doesn't hate the police. The main problems are with areas where criminals don't want the police around and nothing is done about it.
To be given the appropriate help their true age has to be known.
It's not complicated. The 'plan' is to leave the EU - to be outside the EU in the same way most countries in the world are outside the EU.
There's nothing aberrant or revolutionary about it. The only aberrant thing is the creation of such a dysfunctional entity as the EU in the first place.
The Uk could always pay their debt and say we're off. The EU says goodbye, good luck and close the door on your way out, simple, all treaties and deals are cancelled. But that's not going to help the EU and more especially the UK. Pull the trigger, UK, what are you waiting for?
Riiiiiiight so in or out of the single market?... or a trade deal on goods would that include services... if you restrict free movement of people then what about movement of capital?
What about settled eu workers over here... or indeed what (if anything) will we do to assist brits settled in the eu
What about the Irish boarder... or the Scottish one if they push for independence
I mean if it's not complicated as you say I assume you can answer the points above?
Is it really expecting too much of British officials that they be capable of distinguishing between children and adults? After all bartenders are legally obliged to exercise a more refined judgement in every pub in Britain every night of the year.
People have been lied to about this issue by officialdom for so long that incidents like this, trivial in themselves, contribute to a deficit of trust.
True. Its not as if its a union built as a result of one aggressive country who brought its neighbours to kneel to it. I mean can you imagine a union were even the smallest country have a real say? Westminster can show the middle finger to the Scottish and Northern Irish subjects at a blink of an eye and get away with it. To think that we should all leave the EU because its Germany's playground
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I'm referring to the impulsion behind the vote rather than the British Government's present ideas about the end game of negotiations.
Since the cabinet is composed of individuals who took radically different positions during the referendum campaign, expecting a set of objectives to which all can subscribe, this early in the game, is unrealistic. Things will be clearer once negotiations start, and politicians have to put their cards on the table.
As I keep saying, I'm Irish. We were part of that Union for a long time. It didn't take.
Now Scotland want to leave as well, despite all the commonalities between the two peoples. It might be worth thinking about that, when contemplating the creation of a much larger political 'Union' between disparate peoples across the European continent, who have much less in common than Scotland and England.
I bet that most countries within the EU have far less reason to hate each other then the countries within the UK. However I concede that the EU has yet to find the right balance between giving each country a say and allow things to happen. Its ridiculous that the small county of Wallonia can torpedo the trade deal with Canada
Having said that the future is shared sovreignity. Asean, African Union, USAN...etc
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Yes and no. It would have been a start if the EU had respected the concerns regarding CETA which have been loudly and widely expressed not only in Walllonia but across Europe and negotiated a slightly different deal. Instead, they preferred to ignore it until the very last moments and now are surprised that rather cosmetic changes don't please everyone.
If Germans had a referendum on CETA which would have bound our government, it's highly likely CETA in its current form would have been rejected, too.
Certainly nobody has any reason to dislike the Germans.
It's not a question of hatred, rather one of identity. A common European identity doesn't exist in anything but name. Without it, no political union can survive. Except, of course, one based on tyranny (there have been plenty of those).
To survive, the EU will have to suppress democracy.
Countries like their independence, in much the same way as people do.
Its a beginning. The group that developed into the eu started like that
People have the right to hate the nazis who were lead by an Austrian following a disastrious versailles treaty. It lasted a few years not a century or two
Still germany is just 1 country and for the eu to do anything it needs the consent of all countries. Brussels is not Westminster
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Yes and the future may show one or two of those leaving. They still all have their separate identities.
We will see. No one left the usa, uk or the Russian federation just yet. I think that the eu might well survive now that the country who had historically hated and worked against a unified europe is turning its back to the continent
Expecting you can negotiate issues this complex within a couple of years with multiple parties having vetos without setting out very clearly what your position is is naive to the point of stupidity... see current Canadian shambles and that's taken a lot more than two years
IIRC, it has taken about 6 years, and the negotiating issues were a fraction of those compared to the issues on the table for Brexit.
People made a choice of 2 options on a piece of paper
That's what some might say
Others might say "I cant be arsed dealing with this beurocratic nightmare"
But isn't that the whole idea of eu membership?
So a few months ago Martin Schultz said at an eu summit "We need to start listening to the people of Europe", indicating they haven't been listening up to now.
Yet most countries voted in favour of this trade deal despite there being public protests against the deal in Karlsruhe this week. When is the plan to start listening to the people?
Should 70k people hold at ransom the entire continent?
Which is kind of ironic that the UK left the EU because they think that Germany does what it wants when Westminster can completely ignore Scotland and Northern Ireland
That's the eu for you so yes, yes they should. You can always leave if you want.
Scottish people want to be part of the UK, they voted for it without any foresight what so ever, tuff luck Scotland.
I thought UK voted to leave because they're all racist? Bit of tune changing going on here.
Let's see what Schultz( a German )can do to persuade Canada and Belgium to change their minds.
Well actually they voted for it in part because they were told it was the only way to guarantee their membership in the EU. Hence why people are a bit pissed off about it...
You think?
I work with a scot that had the foresight to vote to leave the UK cos of the very chance that UK might vote to leave the EU. people need to think before they vote. Now they got what they voted for and have to suck it up, I have zero sympathy for them.
If not then what number should?