He is a supposed witness and has been sanctioned because he said nothing, the actual culprits are Chirac and Pandraud. They used the money of Paris to finance jobs at the RPR.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
He is a supposed witness and has been sanctioned because he said nothing, the actual culprits are Chirac and Pandraud. They used the money of Paris to finance jobs at the RPR.
Small correction @Bury Red, it's not our delusions of greatness that draw people here, it's the enormous tolerance our government has for illegal, less than minimum wage slave labour. We receive asylum seekers, refuse to give them benefits for 6 months, refuse to allow them to find legal employment until their claim is resolved, and then don't say anything when, out of necessity, they find illegal work.
It's disgraceful when you see the working conditions in some businesses in the "world's 5th largest economy". And it's right from the tiny businesses like car washes, builders, takeaways etc all the way up to massive food manufacturing plants in London.
And our politicians tell thick old racists on the one hand that they don't have a job or a fair wage because of immergants, and tell business leaders on the other how great they are and not to worry about pesky things like immigration status or working conditions.
Gloriously immoral, racist, opportunistic, toffee nosed feckwits the lot of them. Bring all the refugees I say and move them into MPs second homes. Then David Davis can tell me about how fecking hospitable he is.
It's disgraceful when you see the working conditions in some businesses in the "world's 5th largest economy". And it's right from the tiny businesses like car washes, builders, takeaways etc all the way up to massive food manufacturing plants in London.
And our politicians tell thick old racists on the one hand that they don't have a job or a fair wage because of immergants, and tell business leaders on the other how great they are and not to worry about pesky things like immigration status or working conditions.
Gloriously immoral, racist, opportunistic, toffee nosed feckwits the lot of them. Bring all the refugees I say and move them into MPs second homes. Then David Davis can tell me about how fecking hospitable he is.
Agreed. he was the scapegoat and probably expected Chirac to eventually pardon him.
Still an arsehole though. How many limousines did he add to the car park in the Elysées Palace again? It's all ok if it's not your money to those lot.
That's most definitely the reality. Unfortunately for many of the economic migrants heading this way what they believe of Britain is what they glean from TV programmes, we're friendly, humorous folk who live in huge houses and live in a land of plenty where beer is so cheap we only ever drink one mouthful before abandoning our pint and heading off to more pressing matters like the county fair. They see the good work our aid agencies do at home and the ludicrous amounts of money and materials we throw into charities that have helped them. They see the Premier League where average kids become multi millionaires and the X Factor where talentless gimps are celebrated and elevated to the upper echelons of society.
If we want to control immigration let's be honest about things, let's show the modern day slavery on construction sites, the people trafficked into illegal factory jobs or the sex trade, the dead cockle pickers and the bodies being pulled from airless refrigerated wagons and let's show them the miserable fecking weather and even more miserable racist people.
Yeah but that's it, they have family here often, they know there are half decent illegal jobs considering the alternative is to be vilified by the French and languish in unemployment. Problem is, it doesn't benefit society to allow illegal labour, and the immigrant themselves don't know that they deserve better. After all, anything has to be better than starvation, genocide and drone strikes.
Vilified by the french, why?
Because French society is massively racist and basically shoves them out into ghettoes on the edge of the city so the cops can find them more easily to beat them up?
Really?
No it isn't. No other EU country expects another to act as a border guard for them. The French don't expect the Italians to stop immigrants before they enter France. Only Britain is that arrogant.
You learn something every day
I wouldn't say French society is massively racist, if anything it's more multicultural than the UK. I would have to agree however on both the ghettoisation of immigrants and the police's attitude.
As an Erasmus student at Grenoble University I had the great pleasure of being housed in the grand sounding Village Olympique, an off campus residential area the Uni had bought from the winter Olympics organisers in the 80s. Unfortunately the reality bit home quickly as you realised the Echirolles and Villeneuve area the student residences sat between were 1970s high rise gang run ghettos for migrants from the French Maghreb. It was a great year and a great educational experience, I smoked a lot of really good weed, became fluent in French both forwards and backwards and got in a lot of skiing. Prior to living there however guns and tear gas had been things that only occurred in my life through the mediums of film and television, not in person and whilst we may have joked about hating the fuzz or the dibble, we'd never have considered running from them but as one black and one mixed race English student found out to their peril the CRS don't bother checking paperwork when they raid, if your face fits they're going to break it.
The ghettoisation is the fruit of high prices in old towns, it's not due to racism. The CRS aren't meant to check your paperwork, they are only out when things go south and you will find bad neighborhood everywhere, I suppose that you have that in the UK too, but no one calls you racist because of it.
From Football365's letters page:
I agree completely about the cause and we do share a similar history of ghettoisation. I have to say however that the relish with which the French police lay into prone bodies with batons and feet is fecking horrific, and that's coming from someone who has seen how our police handle football hooligans or strikers. I had one mate who fell foul of them twice in the year and the second time he was pissing blood for a fortnight and couldn't walk up a flight of stairs for a month and all because the police had been called to a disturbance where an old Portuguese guy, high on something pulled a knife on my mate and his girlfriend after they refused to give him some money. The police barreled out of the vans and let the dogs bring both blokes to the floor before giving them a good kicking and arresting both.
We had similarly bad social housing in poor areas in the UK which led to similar urban issues in places like Moss Side, Toxteth, Brixton with the subsequent riots, policing problems and fair accusations of racism but whilst we are still far from perfect, we did recognise the failure of these areas and redevelop them and attempt to provide better housing and integration. It's the wrong thread to discuss the likes of Echirolles, Villeneuve or Molenbeek but the problems that the urban ghettos in France and Belgium pose are clear to see and are fueling a rising tide of racism not just within your borders but throughout Europe. I'll not pretend there's an easy answer to them but let's not pretend they don't exist.
Yeah it is anyhow, none of them would make it to Britain anyway cos the French police would arrest them for illegally hanging off trucks right?
It was in the 70s-80s, it was a different time, now the police is afraid of teenagers.
As for the difficult areas, most decent cities are dealing with it by building smaller and nicer buildings and destroying the old ones while financing associations.
I'm not quite that old, my experiences in Grenoble were at the start of the 90s but I've worked with many other Grenoble graduates over the years as it's a specialist centre for Geotechnical Engineering and even ones who only graduated in the last few years are surprised I lived in Echirolles for 12 months as it's apparently not improved one bit.
Yes they let them all flood into the UK - that's why there was never a camp in Calais, right?
Echirolles didn't changed from what I have heard but it's one of the worst place in France, so I doubt that it's going to change anytime soon. But in Montpellier for example most of them have been teared down and rebuilt, the social housing are spreaded and mixed with private housing.
Now, there is a problem with some cities around Paris who are unwilling to build new social housing because it doesn't create value.
Grenoble has a bad reputation still. I am that old and in a previous incarnation, I was a relief shop manager in North London covering Tottenham, Harringay, Willesden, Camden Town etc, very high concentration of immigrants. Doubt these places have changed that much since. But that's the same in big cities everywhere.
"'Useless French Leader' production line"
I hadn't realised he was convicted of corruption. The article says he was banned from holding elected office for ten years, was this reduced on appeal or did it stand for the full decade?
Can't understand why people try to excuse this sort of thing and then go out and vote for them. It seems like they are asking to be robbed blind.
He has been banned one year and he was an important witness but not one of the accused.
I would have guessed it is more than just 49%.
http://news.sky.com/story/half-of-britons-fear-theresa-may-has-no-brexit-plan-sky-poll-10625555
http://news.sky.com/story/half-of-britons-fear-theresa-may-has-no-brexit-plan-sky-poll-10625555
We're not racist they said:
(And remember, this is about 14 children with families already here)
(And remember, this is about 14 children with families already here)
Actually those places are gentrifying rapidly. Not really for the better.
Oh and the French police everybody:
Which political figure should now be considered a racist under @Untied's definition?
Former Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw.
And?
I had no problems going there but when you say rapidly I was talking about the late 70s
Canada walks out of talks with EU, casting doubt over intentions to sign CETA next week
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...do-deals-with-canada-says-sparking-fears-abo/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...do-deals-with-canada-says-sparking-fears-abo/
It never cease to amaze me how countries can bomb others and make good money out of the weapon industry and yet they expect others to foot the consequences of their action
If i might clarify, are you calling Jack Straw a racist?
52% know what the plan is otherwise they wouldn't have voted for it, would they, in all seriousness
How could that happen? We all thought that Germany controlled everybody
Most British people are to some degree, its a near guarantee when you grow up in a country that's nearly 90% white. Jack Straw is also from an older generation which also substantially increases the likelihood of him holding some racial views that we'd consider discriminatory, despite any efforts on his part to overcome them. Racist isn't a black or white condition, mostly its a long and complex spectrum and we all fall somewhere on it whether we mean to or not.
These trade deals are never easy.
Well he's a rich old white man who thinks he deserves more than the refugees by virtue of where he happened to pop out of his poor old mother's vagina. He also did absolutely nothing to change the circumstances encouraging illegal "economic" immigration when he was home secretary so...
Proves how difficult negotiations are and is further proof that TARP would never happen. The EU can't be pushed into a bad deal
Britain will be