Come on now, disagreeing with the government is now treasonous apparently.
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Come on now, disagreeing with the government is now treasonous apparently.
You have to put this into the context of many MPs' past actions, be it toward the Lisbon Treaty or their claims to honour the spirit of the referendum result. And what do they do? Appoint a shifty, vocal Remainer to chair the select-committee responsible for Brexit. It would have been akin to choosing a climate change denier to overseeing that department's committee.
Now Juppé, likely to be the next French president, is supporting moving the border back from Calais to Kent. May just be pre-election bluster, but still...
It's absolutely nothing like that, given one would be denying the actual existence of the scientific phenomenon they're supposed to be overseeing, the other just voted a different way in the referendum. It had to be a Labour-led select committee, and the Leave opposition they put up was Kate Hoey. For most people that's a fairly easy choice.
The French will have migrants in around the Channel ports regardless, so i imagine that it is mostly rhetorical.
Benn wasn't merely some low profile campaigner for Remain, but a man who appeared in TV studios to put across the message. He stood by all of the economic reports released, and even played Cameron's war and chaos card. The British people have been deceived and ignored over the EU for years, by these very MPs, and yet now you expect there to be trust in them? Gisela Stuart would have had respect across the chamber, and greater confidence among the public. So if Hoey was a problem, there were other possibilities.
Gisela Stuart wasn't a candidate, so you can blame her for that. You frequently have chairs of committees from different parties to the government, and therefore much of the time with completely opposing views on the matters at hand, leaving the EU isn't a special case that requires
I find the recent sense of entitlement among Leavers very odd, as if winning the vote has given them complete authority over the direction of the country, with no dissent permitted. We're leaving the EU, as the referendum decreed, but you can get to feck if you think people like Davis and Fox are going to be allowed to take the country down the most damaging avenues without being challenged on it.
It kind of feels like the attitude of many voters is weirdly akin to a football result more than a political one. They see that their team has won, and kind of just assume that victory means their own side completely get their own, unquestioned way from there. You see this all over the place, where Brexiters tell Remainers to stop moaning every time a complaint is brought up as if we're complaining about a dodgy penalty decision in the 90th minute.
The problem is a lot of people don't seem to get the complications that go with leaving the EU, and the minute complexities which seem to be involved. They tell MP's and the like to "get on with it", as if we just need to meet up with some Brussels officials one afternoon and sort everything out. I'd presume people don't get those complications because, quite frankly, they're not interested - they've made their vote, and don't like the idea of officials getting in the way at all.
this article explains makes a strong case, that supports your view. It is fairly undemocratic to think, that a tiny majority vote alone is enough to decide these matters.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/...e-brexit-needs-the-involvement-of-parliament/
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/...e-brexit-needs-the-involvement-of-parliament/
Benn's lied to the British public more about the EU than Boris? Take the blinkers off Nick, that's just pathetic.
Juppe seems like a total cock that doesnt seem to understand the eu.
Move the border from a 'freedom of movement' loving country in the eu, to a FOM loathing country that will be a non eu country in the future. Wtf?
British company moves HQ to Europe after 122 years of trading in UK, says it ‘can’t afford to wait’ for Article 50
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...oves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...oves-leaves-uk-europe-hq-exodus-a7371956.html
Oh the irony..
Why do you think for one single second that France would continue to run an expensive and extremely politically divisive immigration camp on their soil (for the benefit purely of Britain) after all that's happened? The French voters overwhelmingly don't want it, and once Britain leaves there is absolutely no good reason from the French perspective to keep it. Let Britain control her own borders is their not unreasonable argument.
They signed up for free movement. Free movement would be not holding them up from reaching their destination.
Yes and they get free asylum seekers coming through their borders, if that's what you want then suck it up. He just seems like the next useless French leader from the 'Useless French Leader' production line.
"Twenty-one years ago, he was the most loathed French prime minister in modern times after 2 million people took to the streets in protest against his pension changes. In 2004, he received a 14-month suspended sentence and was barred from holding elected office for a year over a corrupt 1980s scheme that illegally put workers for Jacques Chirac’s party on the payroll of the Paris town hall."
He seems suited to the job of running an EU country
I suppose 122 years sounds sexier than 250 staff.
In reality the only problem is that your officers don't take asylum requests, on the basis that Calais isn't on british soil, otherwise they wouldn't have any choice. They are given the same power than the ones they have on birtish at the exception of that one, apparently. So we are stuck with thousands of illegal immigrants who don't want french asylum because they have families to join in the UK or speak english and don't want to learn french..
It has a dozen EU employees too.
From as recently as the 12th of October:
Historic fancy dress firm vows to ‘meet Brexit challenges’
http://www.insidermedia.com/insider...ncy-dress-firm-vows-to-meet-brexit-challenges
And quite frankly, i don't see anything in Peckett's remarks to support the haste of the move. Likely, there are other factors at play in this specific case.
What factors??
It's amazing the lengths Brexiteers go to to deny the impact of the decision on the economy and general business decisions. It's almost as if they want to believe something they know is not true.
in fairness the brexiteers did want us to control our own boarders so you would have thought that would be something that they would support?
For long-standing Eurosceptics like myself this goes back many years, and is not some reaction to this referendum or the past two years of immigration stories. Even our new PM is no immune from criticism in this regard, particularly in regard to the EAW.
Benn, on the other hand, was a supporter of the Lisbon Treaty, and has voted against referenda throughout his career. He is also a consistent supporter of further integration, particularly in regard to Justice. What are his credentials for being a fair arbiter here?
Boris' Euro lies go back to his pre politics days in the Telegraph and Spectator where he admits he enjoyed making up lies about the EU and watching the British tabloids lap it up. Lying is the only thing he has ever shown consistency in as his changing from pro U staunchly backing Cameron to Brexit is the only option stabbing Cameron in the back demonstrates yet somehow he has been appointed as Foreign Secretary. Surely that is far more worrying.
Benn is pro EU but as the head of an opposition select committee tasked with keeping the Tories shambolic Brexit planning from potentially ruining us I don't see that as a problem, his appointment makes perfect sense to me. He is not there to act as an arbiter to ensure the Brexiteer's ruinous desires are met at any cost. He is there to try and ensure that if you do manage to push this farce through there is at least some logic or tangible goal behind it, what's so worrying to you all is that you are hopefully beginning to realise that there's not.
They also think the rest of Europe are duty bound to help them get them out of the mess they are gradually sinking into. The UK decided to leave, the UK has to deal with the consequences and stop blaming everyone else for their own poor government and deluded aspirations.
The UK want control of their borders, they want their own trade deals etc - deal with the consequences, maybe a bit more forethought beforehand and a plan, no-one is going to bend over backwards to help them.
35% of the UK Paul, and declining. Please don't tar all of us with the aspirations of the Brexiters, there were at least as many of us who realised their goals were ludicrous and their plans non-existent but sadly too many that didn't even bother to voice an opinion.
Controlling French one's too, making sure they do it properly
If that is referring to my earlier response to Dan, you are wide of the mark on every inference you've made abvoe.
Controlling borders means allowing loads of illegal people over your borders does it? I see, I get it, many wouldn't. Germany likes to take loads in, why don't they go there?
Folkestone/Calais and Dover/Calais are our only two borders that actually function with any semblance of efficiency. I really don't want to know how badly they can feck up a queue of cars given the way they handle people and planes at Heathrow and Gatwick.
Illegal people Stan? Really? You're beginning to sound like the Daily Mail, humanity is not something we legislate yet despite the desires of the Trumps, Farages and Rothchild's of this world and never should be.
France has open borders on all sides except with the UK, that migrants who have smuggled themselves across the more porous borders of Southern and Eastern Europe choose to head to the UK is a problem of our own success / self publicity / delusions of greatness as I'm sure most would not bother their arses if they knew the truth of life here. That they pile up on France's border with the UK is our problem but is one that France has allowed us to handle on their territory, our choosing to leave the Union is rightly seeing them question why they bother.
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That might all change when we have 1 Queue for Brits and another for the rest.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/788696297062666240
You'd think all those match going England fans he must have met over the years would make this easier to believe wouldn't you?
Good on the jug eared twat for this though.
You'd think all those match going England fans he must have met over the years would make this easier to believe wouldn't you?
Good on the jug eared twat for this though.
I've asked this before, but how will withdrawing from the Treaty of Le Touquet prevent groups of migrants congregating at Channel ports? The Sangatte camps existed before the present agreement did it not?
I agree with you, I think everyone including the Europeans and a lot of the Uk would like the Uk to remain in the EU. But the attitude of the people representing the UK are rubbing people up the wrong way, I did feel sorry for all the Uk residents and still feel sorry for those who don't want this. It's madness and maybe they will come to their senses before it is too late, but I doubt it very much.
Not at all mate, you'd be hard to find some less daily mail than me.
As a human I find it Abhorant that a former corrupt PM is trying to call the shots from a country that promotes FOM so long as you don't stay here.
Yeah, it will get worse for everyone. If there's one thing we know how to feck ourselves over with better than anywhere else in the world it's petty bureaucracy.
As a "legal" immigrant working in Singapore I passed through the worlds busiest passenger airport in under 5 minutes every single time without breaking stride simply by pressing my thumb to a piece of glass. In Hong Kong, the worlds second busiest passenger airport, I did have to present my passport but still barely waited more than 10 minutes at the fully manned checkpoint. In my native land 45 minutes queuing is considered acceptable, it often stretches way past the hour mark and the automated passport readers they have purchased only make matters worse as they kick out 50% of passports at random after scanning them for 3 minutes forcing people to head to the back of another queue.
If there's a way we can feck things up, we find it every single time with unerring accuracy.
He has never been corrupt.
Tell yourself that enough times.....
Yes I agree about the illegals but the borders should revert to where they were some years ago with the British border in the UK and the French border in France .
Remember that the Freedom of Movement is not about these illegals or asylum seekers, it's about Europeans and they are not camping out in Calais.
The Calais camp is breaking up and the people are being sent all over the place. My sister- in- law starts a new job on Monday at a centre that houses these immigrants near the French/Italian border in the Alps.
As for why these people want to come to the UK, there are various reasons, but the UK has this reputation for handing out houses, benefits etc to these migrants. Why does the UK have this reputation, do they do that? If they do then it is not to do with the EU it is due to the British government.
Personally I do not see the attraction, which is why I left as soon as I could